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Weekend Rostrum

March 30, 2012

Hello,

Good afternoon and welcome to our inaugural open weekend forum.

We’ve only been up and running for a few days, but it’s great to see so many familiar faces.  Personally, I’ve been very encouraged by the visits, the comments of support, the emails, the flowers, the crates of champagne and especially the wads of cash wrapped in brown paper envelopes.

Art. What even is it?   Pictured above is the award winning painting “The Faceless Man” by Tim Storrier.  The painting has just won this year’s Archibald prize.

I can’t quite make out who it is.  Is it Bill Shorten, Mark Arbib, Paul Howes?  

It’s difficult to figure out what’s going on. Although he’s wearing a suit, he looks rather dishevelled and appears to be making off with a wad of cash, and whatever else he’s been able to cram in his knapsack.  There’s a bag of receipts, and what appears to be hundred dollar bills escaping from his backpack.  Could it be Craig Thomson?

In other news, Tony Abbott has felt compelled to issue yet another retraction after making a glib reference to Julia Gillard’s fat arse.  Interestingly Joe Hockey didn’t leap to his defence and instead said that when it comes to talking about a woman’s appearance “you just don’t go there.”

Meanwhile, speaking at a special conference for the Australian Institute of Entitlement, the Opposition Leader has promised that no family struggling to get by on a meagre household income of half a million dollars will go without a nanny.

Have a lovely weekend.

reb.

 

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  1. March 30, 2012 1:38 pm

    Presenting our first weekend forum!

  2. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 30, 2012 2:28 pm

    Hehe
    The aspirations of the wealthy paid for by those who can’t afford a nanny.
    socialism is ok when it is directed upwards!
    but don’t ask the aspirationals to pay more tax or have their taxes fund the greater good – there is hell to pay and outraged screams of socialism are heard throughout the land!

  3. March 30, 2012 2:40 pm

    I know AO, they’ll be wanting taxpayers to subsidise their private schools next…!

    Oh, hang on…

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2012 2:54 pm

    sreb, the “painting” is supposed to be a self portrait, as I understand … mindless, springs to mind … sort of …

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 30, 2012 3:18 pm

    Woopee
    moonboot off, oh happy day 😆
    off to physio now 😦

    yes reb
    their private health choices – oh wait!
    but hang on, the poor have to have safety net level funding for public schools, education and health – where is their choice, their aspirations fulfilled?

  6. March 30, 2012 3:33 pm

    “mindless, springs to mind”

    Well, people from Queensland are a little deprived in the culture-appreciation department so I can see why you’d arrive at that “interpretation”. 😉

  7. JAWS permalink
    March 30, 2012 3:41 pm

    Baby Bonuses, Child Care Rebates, Family Tax Benefits, Paid Maternity Leave, Paid Paternity Leave and now Nanny subsidisation ?

    I think we need King Herod back in charge

  8. James of North Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2012 4:14 pm

    TB is a faceless man???? The pic is clearly of him!!

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2012 4:30 pm

    JAWS could be single, methinks …

    FMD! James, not much faceless about me … and after so long … I bet if you think about it you know more about me than any other poster … 😉

  10. March 30, 2012 6:29 pm

    Hello, and good evening to any fellow imbibers *clink*

    I just thought I’d clarify that the previous experiment of “free comments without censorship” was clearly an abject failure at GT.

    I won’t be making the same mistake again…

    99% of people here participate in good spirit and good intent.

    The remaining 1% might find their blogging experience here somewhat diminished.

  11. March 30, 2012 6:32 pm

    Aha!

    badly want to imbibe, but no days off until tuesday.Must behave. 😦

  12. March 30, 2012 6:34 pm

    I met Xenophon at work on Wednesday.

    I shit you not!

    In other news, the Catholic Church plumbs its depths again ,,,

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/catholic-church-mounts-national-campaign-against-gay-marriage/story-e6frea8c-1226314041252

  13. March 30, 2012 6:41 pm

    Howdy boss!

    I reckon the Catliks ought to ban atheists from getting married too.

    That would follow their logic wouldn’t it…?

  14. March 30, 2012 6:42 pm

    “I met Xenophon at work on Wednesday”

    Was his hair the same as it looks on TV…??

    (We ask all the important questions here..)

  15. March 30, 2012 6:46 pm

    Exactly the same…also, he’s about a foot shorter than me, so I got a good look at the top of his head.

    At least he bothered to show an interest in our plight, I came away thinking.

  16. March 30, 2012 6:46 pm

    Oh yeah…GO CROWS!!!

  17. March 30, 2012 6:51 pm

    you must be quite a tall cunt then?

  18. March 30, 2012 6:52 pm

    I’ve been engaged for 14 years, but not married, so they can ban this atheist as much as they want.
    They are only making themselves look like archaic, intolerant, irrelevant arseholes.

    Not a great recruiting strategy, in the modern world. Their last hope is continued indoctrination of the young & vulnerable/malleable.

  19. March 30, 2012 6:53 pm

    Tall, yes.

    Only a tnuc on special occasions.

  20. jaws19620 permalink
    March 30, 2012 7:01 pm

    Gillard is very short

    Can we talk about her arse though

  21. March 30, 2012 7:01 pm

    “This Toilet Earth”

    That’s comedy gold boss!!!!

    Let me know when you’re up and running and I’ll add you to the blog “roll”

    🙂

  22. March 30, 2012 7:04 pm

    When I get time. 😉

    I take it I’ve had 1 hit now! 😯

  23. March 30, 2012 7:05 pm

    nup!

  24. March 30, 2012 7:07 pm

    Did I just see Tony Abbott on ABC News singing and playing the ukele while dressed in lycra……?

    Maybe it’s just an acid flashback….??!!

  25. March 30, 2012 7:11 pm

    Are they real?!

    I’ve never had one, ripped off. That would be true value for money if you got a second go around.

  26. Bacchus permalink
    March 30, 2012 7:15 pm

    Looking good reb! No more “schoolboy” games between blogs – I’ll happily be part of a blog like that…

    On the Catliks – they’re at it in VIC too:
    http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/open-thread-xvii/#comment-69218

    And the link from that to the “Inquiry into the Marriage Equality Amendment Bill 2012 and the Marriage Amendment Bill 2012” where you can have your say in the online survey:

    http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House_of_Representatives_Committees?url=spla/bill%20marriage/index.htm

  27. March 30, 2012 7:16 pm

    Some people never come back from the first trip Boss… 😯

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2012 7:36 pm

    Very dangerous stuff, toilette, I had two friends who tried the stuff … bad news for 30+ years until they curled their toes … thought they’d be able to play and sing like John Lennon … obviously not real bright but nice blokes just the same …

    … now I’ve got friends with kids dealing with pot!

    These are kids in their 30’s … top jobs (one’s an IT consultant travels Asia!) … the parents get really frantic trying to deal with it … its awful going out with them and the phone calls they get … in fact we’ve become less comfortable in going out with them … we just go out with all our other friends instead … like, yeah, we have lots of other friends!

    … I reckon Ned Stark was on something … I mean … he lost his head …

    Me inlcohol is my ONLY drug of choice ever (oops, I did smoke from 11 yo to 32 yo)

  29. March 30, 2012 7:39 pm

    Hello Bacchus, and thanks.. 🙂

    Sorry that you ended up in the moderation queue (I think it was the links wot done it)…

  30. March 30, 2012 7:40 pm

    “until they curled their toes”

    pillow biters……?

  31. Bacchus permalink
    March 30, 2012 7:44 pm

    Thanks reb – I won’t have to carry out my threat then? :mrgreen:

  32. shaneinqld permalink
    March 30, 2012 7:58 pm

    Reb

    One Question. How did you decide the name of this site.

    Or have I missed something ? ( probably have)

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2012 8:30 pm

    hhehehehehehehe … guilty!

  34. March 30, 2012 8:50 pm

    Well it’s like this Shane, a number of us (including me) have “threatened” to give up blogging only to reappear days, hours, sometimes just moments later…

    I think it was King Rat who coined the phrase “the John Farnhams” with reference to the way in which John Farnham always announces that a concert tour will be “the last time” only to announce another tour six months later…

    Given that I was shutting down the Gutter, only to start up again, it seemed like an appropriate title… 😉

    Besides… I couldn’t think of anything else….

  35. March 30, 2012 8:53 pm

    “Me inlcohol is my ONLY drug of choice ever”

    Oh how terribly pedestrian…

  36. Bacchus permalink
    March 30, 2012 8:54 pm

    Just for TB and tb

    GO BRONCOS
    😆

  37. jaws19620 permalink
    March 31, 2012 12:00 am

    So if one has the shits with another blogger
    you have a case of the “farnhams”

    I don’t think king rat coined the phrase.

    Not that I’ d know of course………….

    I think it was TB

  38. March 31, 2012 5:33 am

    I see that the Catholic Church has declared war against marriage equality declaring that “it threatens the very future of society!”

    Most of the gay people I know wouldn’t even know how to change a flat tyre let alone destroy the fkn world..

    Besides that would take a coordinated effort, and everyone knows that gays never turn up to anything on time.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/catholic-church-marshalls-anti-gay-marriage-army/story-e6frf7jx-1226314173789

  39. shaneinqld permalink
    March 31, 2012 8:16 am

    Thanks Reb now the name makes sense.

    I may be a catholic but on this issue they are dinosaurs and the church will go the same way if it cannot see a way to compromise. It seems to be going backwards since the death of John Paul II.

    I am becoming more of an athiest these days anyway.

  40. March 31, 2012 9:03 am

    you’re welcome Shane…

    Can we expect the Catholic Church to demand that the law be changed to prevent atheists from getting married?

  41. shaneinqld permalink
    March 31, 2012 9:26 am

    While I am happy to criticise the catholic church. The following is far more concerning and frightening.

    93 nations in the world still legally punish homosexuality. In 7 of these – Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, United Arab Emirates, Sudan, Nigeria, Mauritania – gays and lesbians are punished with the death penalty.

  42. March 31, 2012 9:53 am

    True that….

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2012 4:36 pm

    egg, if you gain admission to post here … be aware that there is a CO2 and You thread DEDICATED to Climate Change posts … good luck

  44. el gordo permalink
    March 31, 2012 4:42 pm

    God fearing people are a real worry, they want to take away our freenomz.

  45. el gordo permalink
    March 31, 2012 4:45 pm

    Message received and understood.

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2012 4:48 pm

    It’s all very well to be nice, and personally I’m almost always inclined to be nice. Particularly as far as blondes are concerned. Brunettes too when blondes aren’t available. I’m finicky about redheads. The ones that have the Rebecca Brookes look are deserving of all the niceness I can muster, regardless of whether or not the police are after them.

    So niceness does have a place, and a good place to practice is a bar in Chapel St Prahran.

    However niceness isn’t something that should extend to discussion about the current crop of politicians.
    ———————————–
    With the above qualification…

    Does anyone really think Swan spouting on about a budget surplus is anything other than a political gimmick? Swan has gained a reputation (with me at least) as a profligate and inefficient spender.

    Prominent economists have this week cautioned about the rapid withdrawal of government expenditure, pointing out that this will take about 2.5% out of the economy, putting a couple of states into recession.

    Swan is a treasurer of excess, his stimulus was excessive and wasteful, it continued well beyond economic necessity, for entirely political reasons. His current surplus fetish is now a political response to the previous profligacy.

    On reasonable analysis, Swan just doesn’t cut it.

  47. el gordo permalink
    March 31, 2012 5:09 pm

    This critique of Storrier is crap, he’s not the least bit insecure and I like his new direction.

    ‘The winning painting, based loosely and improbably on a work by Hieronymus Bosch, is the latest in a long line of self-portraits in which the artist is distinguishable only by his clothes and chattels. It suggests a nagging insecurity beneath the braggadocio.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/victory-to-the-selfstyled-everyman-and-his-best-friend-20120330-1w3m3.html#ixzz1qfhrcQNB

  48. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2012 5:14 pm

    However niceness isn’t something that should extend to discussion about the current crop of politicians.

    Why not? tabot may have removed all obstacles to any moralistic argument about not abusing him in any way, shape or form, but what have other pollies done to make it different now?

    Does anyone really think Swan spouting on about a budget surplus is anything other than a political gimmick?

    EXHIBIT A)

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/03/29/koukoulas-swans-near-perfect-application-of-economic-policy/

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2012 6:21 pm

    Does anyone really think Swan spouting on about a budget surplus is anything other than a political gimmick? Swan has gained a reputation (with me at least) as a profligate and inefficient spender.

    Prominent economists have this week cautioned about the rapid withdrawal of government expenditure, pointing out that this will take about 2.5% out of the economy, putting a couple of states into recession.

    Never satisfied, YoM … they spend too much … they don’t spend enough … yer up and down like a bride’s nightdress!

    And these, economists were the same one’s who told us all about the GFC arriving were they … probably advised Swan not to bother with a stimulus package … just keep counting it like old Tip Custard

    The school hall down the road (my g/kids state primary) is fantastic BTW …

  50. Tom permalink
    March 31, 2012 6:21 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/swans-foolish-surplus-fetish-20120329-1w19n.html

    ”Wayne Swan’s determination to deliver a budget surplus, regardless of the state of the economy, is seriously reckless. Labor has chosen to risk sending most of Australia into recession in order to keep a promise it should never have made.
    No Australian government has ever proposed such a huge withdrawal of spending from the economy.”

    Anyone can find an economist to agree with their personal orientation. It’s pointless to use duelling economist links to seek to prove an economic point.

    Better to address/discuss the actual issues from a knowledge point of view.

    Swan is a blowhard dud, he’s made a series of irresponsible commitments, he’s motivated by political expediency rather than economic imperatives.

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2012 6:42 pm

    Better to address/discuss the actual issues from a knowledge point of view.

    Who’s? Yours?

    What knowledge?

    I’m pretty sure the Treasury will be advising the Treasurer pretty well …

    … despite the Coalition Of the Willing (COWs) seeking their own shonky bean counters who seemed to miss $70 billion somewhere … and denigrating one of the most professional departments in the government …

    … people the “opposition” would have to work with if they gained government … what a no-brains bunch of clowns Abbott, Hockey and Robb have really turned out to be …

    … talk about the Three Stooges … “did he say that?’ ” No, I thought you said that”, ” Oh wait I think I said that ” ” Did you? But you didn’t meanit did you?”

  52. Bacchus permalink
    March 31, 2012 6:48 pm

    ‡ Tom R’s economist trumps your journalist by a LONG shot.

    Better to address/discuss the actual issues from a knowledge point of view.

    Followed immediately with, “Swan is a blowhard dud, he’s made a series of irresponsible commitments, he’s motivated by political expediency rather than economic imperatives.

    “knowledge point of view” 😯

    I see your grasp of facts hasn’t improved any ToM 😆

  53. March 31, 2012 6:59 pm

    “Tom R’s economist trumps your journalist by a LONG shot.”

    But, but, but ToM has bullet points………..!

  54. Tom permalink
    March 31, 2012 7:01 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/business/swan-told-to-give-up-on-surplus-20111106-1n21p.html

    ”Access has warned Treasurer Wayne Swan against “panel beating” the budget into surplus by finding billions in extra savings, saying such a “gung ho” approach would be dangerous in the current circumstances.

    “But the economy has already weakened and events in Europe hold out the prospect of it weakening further. I don’t think that tightening into that fragility would help the economy.”

    Mr Richardson said his advice applied to both sides of politics.”

    Really, there are plenty of economists suggesting that Swan (and the opposition) reconsider his politicized economics.

    Swan has always put politics way in front of economics when determining economic policy.
    —————-
    But I’m off shortly for an evening of-
    • drinking and
    • eating.

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2012 7:29 pm

    … despite the Coalition Of the Willing (COWs) seeking their own shonky bean counters who seemed to miss $70 billion somewhere …”

    Why keep focusing on the people NOT IN GOVT??? We will not know how big the black hole created by Swan is until Abbott wins govt.

    Have a look at this article

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/budget-deficit-to-pass-40bn-as-tax-take-crumbles/story-fn59nsif-1226312971041

    Treasury forecast in May 2010 that the budget deficit for 2011-12 would be $13B. In May 2011 treasury said it would be $23B. Latest forecast is that it will be $40B plus.

    Who knows what the Coalition will find when they get in.

    Why focus on the Opposition when the current govt has blown the budget with reckless spending??

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2012 7:53 pm

    But, but, but ToM has bullet points …..

    More like fkn, blowhard points … and they don’t count …

    Access has warned Treasurer Wayne Swan against “panel beating” the budget into surplus by finding billions in extra savings, saying such a “gung ho” approach would be dangerous in the current circumstances.

    What crap! I’ve watched Treasurer’s and commentators go through this shit over and over … and when did Access ever get anything right?

    But I’m off shortly for an evening of-
    • drinking
    • eating; and
    • bullshitting

    That figures …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why keep focusing on the people NOT IN GOVT???

    Because they WANNABE … you bunch of Fuckwits©!

    Have a look at this article

    Why? Its written by Newscorp FFS!

    Why focus on the Opposition when the current govt has blown the budget with reckless spending??

    You lot really are thick as bricks … Google Global Financial Crisis … then Australian Infrastructure …

    Then come back in two weeks when you done all the research … I know you have the time ’cause its school holidays …

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2012 7:56 pm

    What the fk happened to “have” … The Neils … that should read, “when you have done all the research” …

    (Don’t want them to think that’s proper grammar … it’s bad enough now .. I blame bloody private school education … )

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2012 8:05 pm

    Why? Its written by Newscorp FFS!”

    What has that got to do with it?? Has the journalist got his figures wrong??The Journalist said the forecast in the budget in May 2010 would be a $13B deficit and it is now forecast to be $40B plus.

    Is this right or wrong?? Well he is right I think

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2010-11/content/overview/html/overview_39.htm

    Budget for 2011-12 was forecast to be a $13B deficit. It is now forecast to be $40B plus.

    People should be asking how our highly paid Treasury keep getting their forecasts so wrong. The GFC happened in 2008. They must be able to factor in changes in revenue.

    Anybody who trusts Treasury is a fool.

  59. Bacchus permalink
    March 31, 2012 8:10 pm

    Did you read the Ltd. News article the Neils posted TB? It actually contradicts what they were trying to assert… (the current govt has blown the budget with reckless spending??)

    The article is about “the tax take crumbling” 🙄

  60. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2012 8:11 pm

    Anyone can find an economist to agree with their personal orientation

    Just pointing out 😉

    Does anyone really think Swan spouting on about a budget surplus is anything other than a political gimmick?

    So, the debate really is, which one of yomms posts is the most meaningless?

    I’ll go with ‘his last one’; …. every time 😉

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2012 8:16 pm

    (the current govt has blown the budget with reckless spending??)”

    That was my comment not the journalists.

    One point i was trying to make is how can Treasury get their forecasts so wrong. The forecast deficit has gone from $13B to $40B plus.

  62. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2012 8:16 pm

    Anybody who trusts Treasury is a fool.

    Yea, like all those fools still with jobs because of Treasuries proposals when the GFC did hit. 😉

    (You know, that GFC that didn’t happen anywhere except where the Future Fund had put their money in)

  63. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2012 8:17 pm

    how can Treasury get their forecasts so wrong.

    Does ‘external forces’ mean anything to you nil?

  64. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2012 8:19 pm

    Why keep focusing on the people NOT IN GOVT?

    Because these are the people who may well be IN Govt one day.

    Or should we only look at them then?

  65. Möbius Ecko permalink
    March 31, 2012 8:20 pm

    Nice place here.

    How does someone win an Archibald with a self portrait by not painting your portrait?

  66. el gordo permalink
    March 31, 2012 9:02 pm

    It is a nice place Mobius and the name is perfect for a more mature blog.

    ——————

    Tim Storrier is tops in my book, because he has the courage and confidence to break away from the traditional.

    Coincidentally he organised a tea party this afternoon and anyone who is anyone in a country town was there, or down the road listening to the NSW Tourism Minister telling us ‘the Chinese are coming’.

    Further updates in the morn…

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2012 12:32 am

    Funny.

    Did I mention **hic**

  68. el gordo permalink
    April 1, 2012 7:11 am

    Apparently the Chinese are coming in droves, with over half a million tourists last year and expected to grow.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/17336019

    The Minister informed us that they are coming ‘for the fresh air’ and that we should put up a big sign on the edge of town saying ‘welcome.’

  69. Tony permalink
    April 1, 2012 8:42 am

    In reply to the constant complaint from some groups that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer: You’re wrong.

    Poverty reduction of this magnitude is unparalleled in history: Never before have so many people been lifted out of poverty over such a brief period of time . . . Over the past two decades, poorer nations have dismantled command-and-control methods and given markets greater latitude. Economic growth, not redistribution, has been the surest cure for poverty, and economic freedom has been the key that unlocked the riddle of economic growth.

    http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/29/toward-the-conquest-of-world-poverty

  70. Tony permalink
    April 1, 2012 8:46 am

    Britain may be sitting on a gold mine of cheap, abundant and comparatively clean energy that could supply the UK’s energy needs for a century. Three weeks ago, an estimated 200 trillion cubic feet of shale gas was discovered near Blackpool, suggesting Britain has far more shale gas than anyone expected.

    Unlike green targets or costly subsidies, the shale revolution could create a new energy industry that would generate billions of much needed revenue and thousands of real jobs.

    The knock-on effects of a shale gas revolution could be just as staggering: cheap energy would make UK manufacturing more competitive, gas and electricity bills would fall and the rising trend in fuel poverty could be reversed.

    http://www.cityam.com/forum/few-cold-facts-the-debate-high-energy-bills

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2012 9:07 am

    Three weeks ago, an estimated 200 trillion cubic feet of shale gas was discovered near Blackpool,

    The most successful (but tacky) seaside resort in the UK … mmmm … BTW ToSY I was born and lived about about 100km from Blackpool … and right next door to Blackpool is another favourite seaside resort … much quieter … Lytham St Annes … I wonder just where the gas is exactly …

  72. el gordo permalink
    April 1, 2012 9:47 am

    ‘Economic growth, not redistribution, has been the surest cure for poverty…’

    Amen to that.

    Hi ToSY.

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2012 9:57 am

    Over the past two decades, poorer nations have dismantled command-and-control methods and given markets greater latitude.

    As did most of the Western World at one stage or another … problem is that governments STILL need to CONTROL excessive wealth in the WRONG hands … and they don’t until its too late …

    Newscorp is a classic example … Clivey & Co fall into the same category … it is the abuse of power caused by excessive wealth (who really needs $5 billion+ of personal wealth?) …

    Premier Newman was saked if his middle name was Kevin this week and he said, yes … well no its not its Clivey … Newman and in fact the LNP government is OWNED by Clivey Palmer …

    Just as Murdoch is attempting to influence the Scottish breakaway referendum …

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Insiders – Piers Ackerman is a toad of a human a mutifunctional, ignoramus and Fuckwit© extreme …

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2012 9:59 am

    How does someone win an Archibald with a self portrait by not painting your portrait?

    My sentiments too, Adrian, but then I generally disagree with what passes for art these days … seems the rules must have been bent this year though …

    It should be called “Airhead” …

  75. April 1, 2012 10:00 am

    Insiders – David Marr wipes the floor with Piers Ackerman…!

  76. el gordo permalink
    April 1, 2012 10:35 am

    …’I generaly disagree with what passes for art these days…’

    Too bad.

  77. April 1, 2012 10:59 am

    ” I generally disagree with what passes for art these days …”

    It’s probably a sign of age… 😉

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2012 11:04 am

    Fuck off! I thought this was a noice site … 😦

  79. Tony permalink
    April 1, 2012 11:08 am

    The widespread use of the market reduces the strain on the social fabric by rendering conformity unnecessary with respect to any activities it encompasses. The wider the range of activities covered by the market, the fewer are the issues on which explicitly political decisions are required and hence on which it is necessary to achieve agreement. In turn, the fewer the issues on which agreement is necessary, the greater is the likelihood of getting agreement while maintaining a free society.

  80. Tony permalink
    April 1, 2012 11:12 am

    “I don’t know anything about art, but I know what I like.” ~ Gelett Burgess

  81. April 1, 2012 11:12 am

    Some things just have to be said.

  82. el gordo permalink
    April 1, 2012 11:13 am

    A truely free market, without corruption, is the only way forward.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2012 11:29 am

    … without corruption …

    LOL!

    Communism is also workable without corruption … idealism is lost on most folk …

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2012 11:29 am

    Re … Gelett Burgess

    Thanks, ToSY, got it in one …

  85. April 1, 2012 11:34 am

    “A truely free market”

    Such as……?

  86. Tony permalink
    April 1, 2012 12:34 pm

    “Communism is also workable without corruption”

    Maybe so, TB, but communism relies on coercion.

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 1, 2012 1:09 pm

    Insiders – Piers Ackerman is a toad of a human a mutifunctional, ignoramus and Fuckwit© extreme …

    I would be interested to know what he said that you disagreed with.

  88. Tony permalink
    April 1, 2012 2:11 pm

  89. el gordo permalink
    April 1, 2012 3:01 pm

    A free market without corruption?

    That’s hard to find at the moment, but ideally in the Postmodern era with an abundance of food and energy we can get close to it.

    China thinks Australia has it already.

  90. el gordo permalink
    April 1, 2012 4:29 pm

    Australia can wait, the Chinese are pumping money and expertise into the US economy to get it moving again.

    A Communist state helping a Capitalist state recover and Italy is also keen to adopt the five year plan.

  91. Möbius Ecko permalink
    April 1, 2012 5:10 pm

    Insiders – David Marr wipes the floor with Piers Ackerman…!

    Certainly did as Ackerman was left to uttering the same old bull that he has repeated so many times now it’s etched in his brain and never to be shifted by the facts.

    I would be interested to know what he said that you disagreed with.

    I think with Ackerman it’s more a case of what there is to agree with him on. Even when he says nothing and sits their arrogantly smirking in the fatuous way he does you disagree with him. Let’s face it he’s one of the most disagreeable people on the planet.

  92. April 1, 2012 6:08 pm

    “Let’s face it he’s one of the most disagreeable people on the planet.”

    He’s revolting. Imagine having to sit next to him on a long haul flight… He’d be complaining about EVERYTHING.

    I don’t ordinarily as a rule watch Insiders (I blame daylight savings), although I did notice that Piers has tiny little stumpy fingers. More like chips or pigs trotters rather than fingers…

    I wonder if it’s a genetic thing.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2012 6:41 pm

    …. but communism relies on coercion ….

    Proof?

  94. el gordo permalink
    April 1, 2012 8:02 pm

    Up until now I thought I might have a mild touch of Aspergers, but on reading your post….probably not.

    Personally I would like to see more discussion on the Dunning-Kruger problem.

  95. April 1, 2012 8:07 pm

    I’m pretty sure I have Tourette’s…

  96. April 1, 2012 8:14 pm

    Reb, I remember you saying that you have Tourette’s back on Tim’s blog and then straight after Migs told us about lupus. As a head count, I think that we had 2 Tourette’s, 4 Aspies and couple of other assorted oddities thrown in for good measure. 😉

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 1, 2012 9:05 pm

    Let’s face it he’s one of the most disagreeable people on the planet.”

    You must be talking about David Marr. I doubt there is a more pompous know-it-all than Marr.

    I find it funny that the govt he supports has the record for the most asylum seekers locked up. The most children locked up. And I guess with such large numbers, more cases of self harm in detention.

    It is funny what happens when people who believe they are morally superior introduce their policies.

  98. el gordo permalink
    April 2, 2012 7:20 am

    Neils is right about Marr, a darling of the left flaunting pomposity and arrogance.

  99. el gordo permalink
    April 2, 2012 7:29 am

    ‘But Labor’s plans to cut company tax using proceeds from the mining tax enjoys clear public support, even among Coalition voters whose party opposes the tradeoff.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/alp-support-slumps-to-near-record-lows-20120401-1w6lu.html#ixzz1qpIhWGFo

    Yep…the mining tax is a winner.

  100. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2012 8:53 am

    ”LABOR’S primary vote has plunged 7 points in a month to 27 per cent – the same as the Queensland ALP polled in the state debacle – in an Age/Nielsen poll that will send new despair through the embattled Gillard government.”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/poll-misery-for-labor-27-per-cent-20120401-1w6n7.html#ixzz1qpdJnRUX

    What would Michelle Gratten know? Or polling organisations?
    —————————————————–
    Economists aren’t that great at predicting the future, but a track record is a reasonable indicator of future success, or failure.

    Here’s a little of Swan’s track record-
    • Tipped unemployment of 10.5%, and therefore hit the panic spending button. Did it reach even 6%?
    • Forecast a deficit of (only) $13bn. It has reached $40bn. That’s about 300% out.

    If only Greece had Swan. Then we wouldn’t.

  101. el gordo permalink
    April 2, 2012 9:23 am

    Where’s ratty?

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2012 10:13 am

    Is it just me that has the impression that TB prefers name calling to political discussion?

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2012 11:03 am

    LABOR can’t go to an election with Julia Gillard as leader and needs to install a “non-liar” into the post, former leader Mark Latham said yesterday.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/mark-lathams-lament-on-liar-pm-julia-gillard/story-fn7q4q9f-1226315932327

    Would Rudd’s challenge have been as ineffective if he’s held off until now? Will there be a panic among those with a margin of less that 8% if the polls don’t change significantly over the next 6 months?

    What is it that will cause a huge bounce in Gillard’s support? An appeal for another chance, or a track record of trust?

    Some of us though are grateful to Gillard. She has created a generation of political cynics and that’s good for politics.

  104. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2012 11:39 am

    Perhaps we should send Swan to England as well as Greece?

  105. el gordo permalink
    April 2, 2012 11:43 am

    I agrre, send Swany to Greece.

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 2, 2012 12:00 pm

    Perhaps we should send Swan to England as well as Greece?

    Yes and what were the British debt levels when the GFC started?? Same goes for most other Western countries.

    And why should anyone believe anything that Swan says??

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2012 12:27 pm

    In the past year Swan has missed his forecast deficit by $27bn!

    That’s-
    *almost enough to build the NBN.
    *about $2700 for each taxpayer.
    *enough to install and remove ceiling insulation 10 times over!

    He’d go well in Greece.

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 2, 2012 2:02 pm

    Found it at last! I was beginning to feel like the kid in the playground whose friends kept running away and hiding from him. There I was alone and distraught, combing the internets for some sign of my lost friends. I even thought of asking Massive when I ran into him over at An Onymous Lefty, but he looked a bit fierce.

  109. el gordo permalink
    April 2, 2012 3:29 pm

    Welcome splatter…I’m worried about ratty, we may have to send out a search party.

    Or I could just put up a notice at the cafe, he may loiter there.

  110. Lurking Rodent permalink
    April 2, 2012 3:34 pm

    LOL

  111. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 2, 2012 3:41 pm

    Good idea, gordo. I looked around at the cafe, but in the end google came good. I’m sure rat will be along in due course. I could do with a dose of his pithy wit.

  112. Roaming Regal Rodent permalink
    April 2, 2012 3:55 pm

    “I’m sure rat will be along in due course”

    Yes I think he might just be a tad busy

  113. el gordo permalink
    April 2, 2012 4:33 pm

    I’m laffing again…

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2012 4:40 pm

    ‘I could do with a dose of his pithy wit’

    I think that’s rhyming slang.

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2012 5:09 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/its-not-a-taxits-an-emissions-trading-scheme/story-e6frfkvr-1226316373815

    Julia Gillard has admitted that it’s a tax on carbon emissions. Most of the population know it’s a tax. It has the affect of raising revenue for the government, which is then used for spending according to government determined priorities, which seems much like a tax.

    But the (until now) intelligent and considered Minister Combet has decided to have another crack at the redundant argument – that it isn’t a tax! Combet will get lots and lots of press coverage for this position, people just can’t resist the spectacle of watching a politician willing make a fool of themselves with word games/semantics.

    Combet will get all the coverage he needs to argue his (pointless) point.

  116. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2012 5:41 pm

    Julia Gillard has admitted that it’s a tax on carbon emissions.

    Not exactly, she said the reporters can call it that if they want.

    A major blunder it turned out.

    that it isn’t a tax!

    That it isn’t The Carbon Tax 😉

    (still here to fix it up for ya yomm)

  117. Rightwing Roaming Regal Rodent permalink
    April 2, 2012 5:51 pm

    I think Rat might have become victim to a shark attack El Gordo as he was very pissed off with the WordPress/Gravatar problem that has not yet been resolved on any WP blogs unless you can be bothered signing in all the time.

    Or so I heard…………

  118. April 2, 2012 6:00 pm

    Isn’t there an option to just “keep me signed in?”

  119. April 2, 2012 6:06 pm

    Instead of signing in via the little W thingy, top RHS of the Post Comment tag, sign in via http://wordpress.com/#!/fresh/ – that will keep you signed in.

  120. April 2, 2012 6:07 pm

    BTW, isn’t great to see all the coverage in the mainstream media about the Federal Health Minister’s announcement that the average prescription for many regularly prescribed medicines for high blood pressure, cholesterol and diabetes will be slashed by around $3 a script?

    No, I missed it too…

  121. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2012 6:21 pm

    You don’t read much reb

    I read it at the bottom of a very long, speculative article where tabot was declaring “the medicare safety net is ALL MINE!”. And how Labor were gonna roon it all, oh, and by the way, drugs is cheaper.

  122. April 2, 2012 6:28 pm

    😯

  123. April 2, 2012 6:33 pm

    What can I say Tom, I’ve been busy..

    BTW there’s a new post up, which you cnuts would already know about if you bothered to subscribe (see menu on the right)

  124. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 2, 2012 6:52 pm

    “intelligent and considered Minister Combet

    Really? Slightly slicker spin maybe, but essentially the same lies. It just looks different due to the weird glasses he wears.

    has decided to have another crack at the redundant argument “

    OK, maybe not slicker at all. These fools are gluttons for punishment. The original deceit was bad enough, but adding insult to injury by trying to convince the voters they weren’t really conned???

    Here is the story so far: “It’s a “price” not a tax.” “But it functions like a tax.” “OK its a tax.” “Wait, wait I was wrong it’s not a tax after all!”

    Earth to ALP – here’s a clue: You lied. Everyone knows you lied. No one trusts a word you say. Everyone feels degraded by your inability to frankly tell the truth. No one is listening to you any more. Combet’s approach is rubbing salt into a very raw wound.

  125. el gordo permalink
    April 2, 2012 6:53 pm

    This from Antony Green….

    http://blogs.abc.net.au/.a/6a00e0097e4e688833016303944204970d-pi

  126. Bacchus permalink
    April 2, 2012 7:00 pm

    FMD! el gordo doesn’t just limit posting of meaningless graphs to her favourite topic. Why not link to the entire article so we can judge what Mr Green means by his graphs?

    http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2012/04/the-cycles-of-party-politics.html#more

  127. Möbius Ecko permalink
    April 2, 2012 7:03 pm

    Abbott admits his Paid Parental Scheme is a tax after saying all along it wasn’t.

    Earth to Liberals. Here’s a clue you lied, you always lied and have always lied and even admit you lie, difference is you aren’t held accountable for lying, you lying bastards.

  128. April 2, 2012 7:13 pm

    “difference is you aren’t held accountable for lying, you lying bastards.”

    True dat..

    Labor lies are always held to a greater degree of scrutiny than Coalition lies under our current media ownership regime…

  129. Möbius Ecko permalink
    April 2, 2012 7:34 pm

    But they all lie reb and that’s no lie. And one side’s lie is no worse or better than the other’s lie as is attempted by some to aver.

    Abbott is walking bullshit by his own admission but the big pile of bum splatter will most likely be our next walking and talking out of arse national leader.

  130. el gordo permalink
    April 2, 2012 7:56 pm

    I can read a graph, its self explanatory.

  131. April 2, 2012 7:58 pm

    Just as an aside, when it comes to your health, there’s no need to worry about your heart, it will last for as long as you live…

  132. el gordo permalink
    April 2, 2012 8:02 pm

    This is exactly how the leftards are going to carry on after the election…whinge whinge whinge.

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2012 8:07 pm

    There is a difference Adrian. Gillard ruled out a carbon tax, for entirely political expedience before the election. Then decided to implement one after the election, for political expedience.

    Whether people want Abbott’s parental leave scheme or not, whether it is a tax or not, all the pros & cons, can be fully debated in advance of the election.

  134. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2012 8:32 pm

    Gillard ruled out a carbon tax

    and promised a Carbon Price. Which we have 😉

    Everyone appeared to be quite clear on the distinction between a Carbon Price and a Carbon Tax before the last election.

    Even taboit floated the idea of a Carbon Tax instead of a Carbon Price.

    memories of Goldfish

  135. el gordo permalink
    April 2, 2012 9:16 pm

    Mark Latham says Julia tells fibs…

    ‘Raising talk of leadership change only weeks after Ms Gillard beat a challenge from Kevin Rudd, Mr Latham believes there is no way the party would stick with Ms Gillard.

    “Well, the only option for the Labor Party is to bring in a non-liar as prime minister,” he told Sky TV’s Australian Agenda. “And inevitably, as certain as night follows day, they will change leaders before the next election.

    “They can’t possibly go to the next poll with Gillard. I mean, there’s no way of unscrambling the egg, having broken an important election promise like this.”

    ‘Mr Latham said that aside from structural problems within the ALP, which led to the Queensland election loss, the party needed to heed lessons about the broken carbon tax promise: “There is absolutely no margin for lying.”

  136. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 2, 2012 9:34 pm

    Hard to be a worse liar than Gillard. Anyone who shakes hands, verbally agrees and then signs a document that she would do something and then reneges is not to be trusted. Just ask Wilkie.

    She has just admitted that she is a liar- just not as bad as Abbott according to her.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/prime-minister-julia-gillard-vows-to-reach-out-to-queensland-voters-after-labors-loss-in-election/story-e6freooo-1226314902946

    Conceding the issue of “trust” was central to the state election, Ms Gillard said Tony Abbott had broken more promises than her, including now refusing to support company tax cuts.

    Trouble with that logic is that Abbott is not in power.

  137. jane permalink
    April 2, 2012 10:09 pm

    I see that the Catholic Church has declared war against marriage equality declaring that “it threatens the very future of society!”

    Ahh. The old threat to the future of our society, story. Not only that, but Barnyard’s daughters will no longer be able to catch themselves a husband and I have it on good authority that it was gay dinosaurs who invited the asteroid to drop in.

    Who knows what the Coalition will find when they get in.

    Yeah, Neil. That’s if their catering company is slightly more competent and honest than their last “auditors”, JWK Howath.

    Wow! Looks like Mark Latham flunked reading and spoken comprehension too. Just like ToM and grodo. i suppose grodo can be excused because she claims to be a journalist no doubt employed by Ltd News.

    http://www.news.com.au/features/federal-election/julia-gillard-my-carbon-price-promise/story-fn5tar6a-1225907552000

  138. JAWS permalink
    April 2, 2012 10:23 pm

    Why oh why does Q & A persist in giving the monumentally stupid of the population airtime by broadcasting their stupid thoughts via Twitter on the bottom of the screen. They are so inane and distracting

    Good to see Andrew Wilkie say he could no longer trust any future written agreement from Gillard.

    I’m glad Combet is defending the carbon tax versus price issue again. It keeps the lie on the front pages. I hope to see him do it every day until the morning of the next election

  139. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 2, 2012 10:35 pm

    Thanks for the link. I found another lie.

    Ms Gillard’s proposal for a citizens’ assembly to discuss climate change, announced after she replaced Mr Rudd as leader, has been heavily criticised.”

  140. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2012 11:09 pm

    es nil, let’s repeat bits from that statement

    “I don’t rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism,” she said of the next parliament. “I rule out a carbon tax.”

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/features/federal-election/julia-gillard-my-carbon-price-promise/story-fn5tar6a-1225907552000#ixzz1qt5DHJhP

    Every other accusation of a lie pales into insignificance in the face of the lie the media have perpetrated onto us in regards to the ‘no carbon tax’ accusation they maintain.

    yes, Conroy, and the whole party, should keep hammering this, until the medias already pathetic standing sinks lower than a used car salesmans

  141. JAWS permalink
    April 2, 2012 11:17 pm

    A “Free” Market Mechanism with a $23 p/t floor price.

    Sorry “tax”

  142. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2012 6:36 am

    Rudds ETS has an initial fixed price

    That was still an ETS, as opposed to The Carbon Tax

    Anything can be argued to be a tax. That is where Gillard lost the debate, and the media changed the game. And tabot was quite happy to play along.

    Before the election, The Carbon Tax was a specific type of a tax on carbon, after the election, it miraculously became any old government program that dealt with carbon and money.

    The definition of what she had said had been changed by the media, and I don’t think that she recognised that at the time. I think by the time they worked that out, they thought it was too late. Well, it’s never too late.

  143. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2012 7:04 am

    I dips me lid to Carr.

    ‘THE Foreign Affairs Minister, Bob Carr, is among a group of prominent Australians who have declared the ”war on drugs” a failure in the most significant challenge to drug laws in decades.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/drugs-war-a-failure-that-bred-criminals-20120402-1w8v3.html#ixzz1qv2jiO1k

    It’s a Cultural Marxist ideal to have drug law reform.

  144. April 3, 2012 7:57 am

    “It’s a Cultural Marxist ideal to have drug law reform.”

    That has to be one of the most ridiculous comments I’ve read yet…

    (And believe me I’ve read many).

  145. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2012 8:01 am

    Andrew Bolt is against drug law reform.

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 3, 2012 9:02 am

    ”Anything can be argued to be a tax.”

    No, a (market) price isn’t a tax. Trading isn’t a tax.

    A charge levied by the government intended to raise revenue, which is then used to support expenditure programs determined by the government, looks more like a “tax” than a “price”.

    I do hope that Combet continues with the futile argument, because the public really warms to politicians playing semantics, trying to spin a lie into the truth.

    The more media space he occupies, the more he’ll remind everyone of Gillard’s duplicity.

  147. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2012 9:14 am

    If we assume the Greens are Cultural Marxists (some may wish to differ) then its quite clear that drug law reform is on their agenda… but at the moment they have their heads down.

    They support supervised injecting rooms but “do not support the legalisation of currently illegal drugs”. Smoke and mirrors for political expediency.

    Ultimately, faced with political disaster, they may try to save themselves and alter their platform.

  148. April 3, 2012 9:27 am

    Creating criminals out of recreational users is most shortsighted.

  149. April 3, 2012 9:31 am

    Puritans need to accept the fact that not everybody leads a life of pious hypocrisy like them, a subculture exists & it will never be eradicated.

    Harm minimisation should be the focus.

    * Obviously, Andrew ‘Squealer’ Bolt can go & furiously fuck himself. I doubt he’s ever even drunk a cup of strong tea amidst his moral outrages.

  150. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2012 10:36 am

    Toiletboss: “Puritans need to accept the fact that not everybody leads a life of pious hypocrisy like them”

    Well and truly said. Of course the new puritans are the Greens. Bob Brown and his wood-fired hearth, Tim (60 feet and rising) Flannery and his waterfront abode, Fat Albert Gore with his energy-sucking mansions, the Greens trousering a $1.65m donation, jet-setting Green activists – the list goes on forever. And for those who must sin, there are always carbon credit indulgences that can be purchased to wipe away the guilt.

    As for drugs, young Master Bunyip seems to be on the money.

  151. JAWS permalink
    April 3, 2012 11:01 am

    Hey Splatterbum

    Here’s another “Greenie” to add to ya list

    “Sachin Tendulkar has been appointed as the national brand ambassador of Earth Hour. In India, Earth Hour has reached more than 130 cities, including tier II and III, small towns and even villages. Whichever city receives maximum participation from its citizens, organisations, institutions and government will be declared the Earth Hour Champion.”

    http://news.oneindia.in/2012/03/26/switch-off-lights-for-an-hour-on-mar-31-save-earth.html

    Meanwhile the poor bastard does not know where to garage his 41st car

  152. April 3, 2012 11:05 am

    Good article at New Matilda…

    “Should We Panic About Falling House Prices?”

    http://newmatilda.com/2012/04/03/falling-house-prices

  153. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2012 11:15 am

    And now the Audit Report is out we see yet again the polticised incompetence of this hideous government:

    The manner and circumstances in which this high profile tender process was conducted brought into question the Government’s ability to deliver such a sensitive process fairly and effectively. This is despite the fact that many other tender processes are employed in all areas of government, some involving decisions by Ministers, on more substantial and complex proposals, and are concluded satisfactorily.
    …..

    The Government may also wish to reflect on Ministers performing the role of an approver, in situations where the Minister’s portfolio bodies may be submitting tenders for services to be determined by government.
    ……

    While the Government has the clear authority to decide on such matters, the decisions nevertheless raised a range of issues in relation to:
    • perceptions, at least, of a conflict of interest arising from the Communications Minister being the nominated approver, given his portfolio responsibilities for the ABC and the earlier submission to government (in November 2009), sponsored by the Minister, that
    proposed the ABC provide the Australia Network service on a permanent basis;
    • whether the additional evaluation criterion would elicit much in the way of further insights into the tenderers’ capacity to deliver the service, given there was considerable weight of opinion to suggest that the original tender scope of requirements was sufficiently broad to
    capture global events; and
    • the added time and cost of the revised tender arrangements for the parties tendering to provide the Australia Network service, and to the Government.

    And now these stinking vindictive bastards have to pay out the hated News Ltd for screwing them in such a blatant and incompetent manner.

    This is emblematic of the ALP: incompetent, vindictive and crooked as the day is long.

  154. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2012 11:15 am

    Agree with the boss that ‘harm minimisation should be the focus.’

  155. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2012 11:24 am

    ‘The good news about falling house prices is affordability. Provided those falls are slow, they should not result in significant stress among existing mortgagees. The Reserve Bank notes that Australia has very little mortgage stress.’

    And with rates tip to fall…we are truly the ‘lucky country’.

  156. JAWS permalink
    April 3, 2012 11:41 am

    “The Reserve Bank notes that Australia has very little mortgage stress.”

    Sydney “High End” is in strife but you have to be a bit foolish to buy a joint for $1.5M to $2M (and there are plenty) with a huge mortgage of $1M+ with a shaky job in retail (as a shop owner) or in finance (banking and insurance)

  157. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2012 1:44 pm

    No, a (market) price isn’t a tax. Trading isn’t a tax.

    But these prices, although fixed, can still be traded, that is the point of the whole thing. 😯

    But the main point is, Gillard did not say she would not introduce a Tax, she said she would not introduce a specific Carbon Tax. She has kept to this pledge.

  158. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2012 1:45 pm

    This is emblematic of the ALP: incompetent, vindictive and crooked as the day is long.

    And yet the report agrees with the decision? the writers must be just as incompetent, vindictive and crooked 😉

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 3, 2012 1:58 pm

    ”Gillard did not say she would not introduce a Tax, she said she would not introduce a specific Carbon Tax. She has kept to this pledge.

    Remarkable! So it’s just like a tax and one on carbon too, but it isn’t a “carbon tax”! Are you vying for a job as Greg Combet’s speechwriter? He’s the only other person persuaded by this argument.

  160. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2012 2:41 pm

    Well, yomm, how do you explain tabot arguing for a Carbon Tax instead of what the Government is introducing?

  161. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2012 3:11 pm

    Tabot is a dill.

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 3, 2012 3:13 pm

    I don’t intend to bother to examine or defend the Liberal’s policy, and I’m not specifically opposed to limiting emissions through a carbon price. A carbon price is probably about 30 or 40% of a policy, if a government is serious about the issue.

    My problem is simply the dishonesty of Gillard.

    Rudd wasn’t dishonest when he sought to introduce a carbon price, he had the permission of the electorate to implement his policy.

    Gillard doesn’t.

  163. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2012 3:18 pm

    I don’t intend to bother to examine or defend the Liberal’s policy

    I’m not asking you to. I’m asking you to explain how a Carbon Tax can be put up as an alternative to an (alleged) Carbon Tax? Can you get your head around that piece of stupidity on behalf of this argument?

    Rudd wasn’t dishonest when he sought to introduce a carbon price, he had the permission of the electorate to implement his policy.

    Unlike the PM, who, the night before the election, declared that a win would be a mandate for a carbon price 😉

  164. April 3, 2012 3:37 pm

    BREAKING NOOZE!!!

    “Fair Work Aust has referred report into past activities of Health Services Union officials to the DPP. May consider Fed Court action too.”

  165. April 3, 2012 3:38 pm

    From Latika Bourke via twitter…

    Here’s Fair Work Australia’s statement on the conclusion of it’s investigation into the Health Services Union: http://latika.me/H8Vyrn

  166. JAWS permalink
    April 3, 2012 3:41 pm

    I wonder who said this ?

    “…….People go to the electorate on the basis of undertakings made … prior to the election and it does affect a sense of legitimacy – and there is no doubt that it is an issue, a burning issue, that does need to be resolved, there needs to be a dialogue with the community about that,…………Clearly it is something that they are regarding, and regarding very seriously, and it again goes to the whole issue of political mandate and what the Australian people see as the legitimacy of government decision making.”

    Well well well………….it’s Bobby McLelland

    http://junkscience.com/2012/04/02/julia-gillards-broken-carbon-tax-promise-damaging-says-labor-minister-robert-mcclelland/

  167. April 3, 2012 3:45 pm

    He speaks!!

    Labor MP Craig Thomson: ‘I maintain my innocence and will continue to do so.’

  168. JAWS permalink
    April 3, 2012 3:47 pm

    So that’s the “comprehensive statement” we were all awaiting ay

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 3, 2012 4:11 pm

    Anyone want to talk about some poor, stupid woman who got caught shoplifting?

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 3, 2012 4:38 pm

    I’m not asking you to. I’m asking you to explain how a Carbon Tax can be put up as an alternative to an (alleged) Carbon Tax?”

    I suspect very few people have any idea what you are talking about. I think Gillard took an ETS to the last election and ruled out a carbon tax. I think Abbott mentioned a carbon tax as an alternative to an ETS.

    Anyway Gillard has admitted that she lied because of changed circumstances.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/yes-i-vowed-no-carbon-tax-julia-gillard/story-e6frfkvr-1226012683197

    PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has admitted she promised there would be no carbon tax during the election and said circumstances had changed……………………………..A carbon tax is where you fix price,” Ms Gillard said.

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2012 4:46 pm

    Anyone want to talk about some poor, stupid woman who got caught shoplifting?

    And why not? … and the difference in concept between stealing $10 and $1,000,000 is?

    I might remind you (again) that no matter what you may "think" … people have to be proven guilty before you can declare them guilty … and even then, they have the right to appeal …

    … pesonally I like the system that way … one day it could be someone I know?

    (Just FYI, I too "suspect" Thomson may be guilty)… but like you I have no evidence … therefore, I don't continue to rabbit on about something neither of us really know for sure …

    How about we talk about the "loss of memory" of so many Howard government Ministers during the AWB enquiry, instead? Or delve into the vagaries of the Children Overboard incident …

    Or if we are so obsessed with lying I could insert all those Youtube clips of Tony Abbott … my favourite is the one where, on Lateline, he said he hadn't had a meeting with Pell (then admitted he had two days previous) … or we could discuss Archbishop Pell, another liar, who advises Tony Abbott on the best way to deal with lies …

    Or we could discuss the biggest liar, cheat and political shyster of all …

  172. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 3, 2012 5:03 pm

    “How about we talk about the “loss of memory” of so many Howard government Ministers during the AWB enquiry, instead? “

    Yes, what about AWB?? After all these years I am sure most Australians have no idea what it is all about.

    Why don’t we have an enquiry into why the former Foreign Minister (Rudd) and the current Foreign Minister (Carr) have not looked into AWB if it was as bad as you say.

    The UN Oil for Food Program was legal. It was alleged that some companies paid kickbacks to get the business. The police looked into it and no changes were laid.

    I think we should look into why ALP supporters bring the same things up again and again with no evidence of wrongdoing.

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2012 5:17 pm

    Yes, what about AWB?? After all these years I am sure most Australians have no idea what it is all about.

    Then maybe we should provide some info ….

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWB_Oil-for-Wheat_Scandal

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2012 5:19 pm

    The UN Oil for Food Program was legal

    Yes it was … but not paying for kickbacks (with Australian government complicity) to Saddam Hussein … especially to fund the military against our own troops …

  175. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2012 5:28 pm

    TB: “Or we could discuss the biggest liar, cheat and political shyster of all …”

    Why is there all this comparative BS? Let’s just deal with the issue at hand. When I was hammering Howard, Reith, Ruddock and Abbott for children overboard, I didn’t worry about comparisons. That particular cavalcade of cunts was bad enough as it was and, more importantly, they were the government of the day.

    Talking about past or potential governments is just so much hypothetical hot air. Talking about deceitful incumbents like the current government is more relevant because they are fucking up the country in real time.

  176. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 3, 2012 5:30 pm

    but not paying for kickbacks (with Australian government complicity)

    Any evidence for this?? So the Govt new about it?? Are you serious??

    You must have been doing some homework. Last time you posted you made the claim that we were selling wheat while the Iraq war was going on.

    I find it hard to believe that the Americans would not have cancelled the Oil-for-Food program before the war started. Same goes for our military.

    And once again why don’t your heroes Rudd and Bob Carr look into it????? I will tell you why. They will find nothing.

  177. April 3, 2012 5:48 pm

    Impressive use of alliteration there Splatterbottom… 🙂

  178. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2012 6:01 pm

    I suspect very few people have any idea what you are talking about. I think Gillard took an ETS to the last election and ruled out a carbon tax. I think Abbott mentioned a carbon tax as an alternative to an ETS.

    And since we now have an ETS….. 😯

  179. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2012 6:15 pm

    I remember Julia telling Kevin we can’t have an ETS, it would be a political disaster.

  180. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2012 6:26 pm

    it would be a political disaster.

    In the lead up to the election.

    Cherry picking is like a religion to you isn’t it 🙂

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2012 6:29 pm

    TomR is Humpty Dumpty:“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in a rather scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean, nothing less, and nothing more.”

    Gillard has well and truly jumped through the looking glass and there on the other side are her fanbois mouthing meaningless cant. But it doesn’t matter what they say. People have stopped listening

    Seriously, every time some rusted-on tries to argue that the carbon tax is not really a tax we are immediately reminded of Gillard’s slimy evasions on Four Corners, and of her inability to provide a straight answer to a direct question. People just turn away revolted, nodding in agreement with Latham that what we need is a non-liar as PM.

  182. JAWS permalink
    April 3, 2012 6:41 pm

    The ALP in Gillard has its very own Gordian Knot.

    But rather than cutting through the Knot and getting rid of her its trying to unravel it to victory.

    They are not just incompetent but they are total nutters.

  183. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2012 6:55 pm

    Actually splattergut, it is the media and opposition who are humpty dumpty

    before the election, tabot wanted a carbon tax instead of what Gillard was wanting, a carbon price, now, after the election, we now have that carbon price, yet it is now called a carbon tax

    it appears ‘Carbon Tax’ means what they want it to mean when they want it to mean something, and something else at other times.

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2012 6:57 pm

    Impressive use of alliteration there Splatterbottom…

    Yeah, sreb, I agree it was a noice try … two words though – I’ve seen better … I think you were biased with the latter word …

    Score mmmmm ..

    Now looking at the use of adjectives (as opposed to adjectival phrases, bumbomb, did a little better …

    bumbomb actually gained points for maintaining the volatility* of the post …

    ++++++++++++

    *just out of curiosity, Blogmasta, is bumbomb, aware that this is a noice blog? Just askin’ 🙂

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2012 7:01 pm

    Why do I detect a lot of sexism here tonight?

    +++++++++

    BTW, Blogmasta, do the posters here know this is a noice blog?

  186. April 3, 2012 7:13 pm

    “do the posters here know this is a noice blog?”

    Is it. Perhaps if “some people” stopped referring to other posters as “fuckwits” that might go some way towards making a “noice blog” a reality…

    Just sayin’…

  187. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2012 7:32 pm

    There maybe Liberal lurkers and we wouldn’t want to give the wrong impression.

  188. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2012 7:50 pm

    Ah, it’s the media. I knew it! We are in fact blessed with the most wonderful politicians the world has ever seen, the most virtuous, dignified, erudite and spectacularly competent leadership any country has ever had, so it couldn’t be our leaders. No it’s the media’s fault.

    The media keep on shouting that the Emperor has no clothes on. But luckily we have prescient souls like TomR to disabuse us of this evil lie and describe in perfect detail every silken thread of that brocaded raiment which rides so pertly on the glorious governmental curves. And no, that is not a strap-on protruding from an over-hanging gut, positioned for our immediate anal destruction. Oh no, it is a jewel-encrusted sceptre pointing the way to our verdant clean-energy future.

    So people of Australia rejoice in the magnificence of our government, in the splendour of its robes and in the unselfish virtue of our leaders who are born of the stuff of gods and olympian heroes. If you see the the emperor passing by, ignore the evil media and fall to your knees for if you touch the hem of his garment you will be made whole again.

    Thank you TomR. Thank you, thank you, thank you. For without your wisdom I would have been tricked by the media into believing we are being ruled by incompetent vain venal spin-driven hacks of no substance or decency or ability whatsoever.

  189. Möbius Ecko permalink
    April 3, 2012 8:00 pm

    Or if we are so obsessed with lying I could insert all those Youtube clips of Tony Abbott … my favourite is the one where, on Lateline, he said he hadn’t had a meeting with Pell (then admitted he had two days previous) … or we could discuss Archbishop Pell, another liar, who advises Tony Abbott on the best way to deal with lies …

    …and now we have Barry O’Farrell, the man who promised so many times it must have made his jaw ache, that he would immediately stand down any of ministers who are involved or who have serious accusations hanging over them, doing exactly what the previous Labor sate government did and who has also now had a memory loss and can’t remember conversations he has had with his closest colleague.

    Yesterday he was standing by his man and today he is praising him for doing the right thing and quitting. O’Farrell should have sacked him weeks ago just as he should have sacked the two ministers who have royally stuffed up under his leadership, and the other minister who quite last year and should also have been sacked.

    Where goes O’Farrell in his ineptness, lies and royal stuff ups whilst his state actually gets worse under him, worse than the darkest failings of the previous Labor government if that seems possible, goes the other Liberal state Premiers with the biggest basket case of them all about to explode in Queensland.

    Already in his first day Newman has fucked it big time whilst at the same time saying he will slash government to save money whilst increasing front line services. One of Newman’s (wasn’t the the bloke from Mad name?) senior ministers has stated, in direct contradiction to Newman, that Queensland government will have to grow to meet the promises made by Newman, whilst Newman is saying he will shrink Queensland government and still increase services.

    But hey, don’t expect the media to pick up on the fact that Liberal Premiers and their senior ministers are making the exact same excuses for their failings and malfeasances that Labor were mercilessly and incessantly bashed for.

    Labor/Liberal Liberal/Labor, Tweedledee/Tweedledum, Tweedledum/Tweedledee.

  190. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 3, 2012 8:10 pm

    “but not paying for kickbacks (with Australian government complicity)”

    Well I will ask again. Do you have any evidence for this??

    I have noticed many times that Labor supporters like to make allegations without evidence. It seems to be in the DNA of ALP supporters.

    What evidence is there that the Australian govt new about AWB kickbacks??

  191. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2012 8:14 pm

    Newman deserves a honeymoon period, give him a break, but O’Farrell is fair game.

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 3, 2012 8:30 pm

    So there is sufficient now to say Thomson has “a case to answer”.

    In what other industry would the job of an individual be so painstakingly protected by the powerful interests?

    Does Gillard still have “full confidence” in Thomson?

    Is “oi dinna dunit” a comprehensive statement?

  193. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2012 8:38 pm

    Thomson is going to plead innocence, but I think he would be wiser pleading ignorance.

  194. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2012 8:54 pm

    Thank you, thank you, thank you

    I AGREE!

    I like this site reb

    That’s two people in one day who have refused to challenge my point, and just decided go off on a rant instead.

    Farnhams indeed 😉

  195. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2012 8:54 pm

    Gillard is against drug law reform, just like the Bolter.

    ‘In contrast, Ms Gillard said she was not in favour of decriminalisation: “My view about drugs is clear. Drugs kill people they rip families apart, they destroy lives and we want to see less harm done through drug usage,” the Prime Minister said.

    ”I am not in favour of decriminalisation of any of our drug laws. We want to keep supporting people who need our help to break out of a cycle of addiction and we need to keep policing so we are tackling those who are seeking to make a profit out of what really is a trade in incredible misery.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-and-carr-divided-over-decriminalisation-of-drugs-20120403-1w9iz.html#ixzz1qyQ1ljeb

  196. April 3, 2012 9:03 pm

    Peter Garrett is a total knob and completely out of his depth as a Federal Minister*

    *Not that the bar is set that particularly high…

  197. April 3, 2012 9:46 pm

    …but if he workin’ all day in the blue sky mine… 😯

  198. JAWS permalink
    April 3, 2012 10:00 pm

    “el gordo PERMALINK
    April 3, 2012 8:38 pm
    Thomson is going to plead innocence, but I think he would be wiser pleading ignorance.”

    I agree. He could after not realising his mobile wS missing say ….

    “Your honor I really did’nt notice a thing until I looked up from
    the pillow and there
    was this stunning 20 year old riding me”

    I’m sure they are doing a focus group on that tonight

  199. JAWS permalink
    April 3, 2012 10:18 pm

    By the way is Bob Carr the pm these days or just the foreign minister. Great appointment Julia

  200. JAWS permalink
    April 3, 2012 11:26 pm

    I know this will get criticism from some but is Emma alberici the hottest looking host on tv at the moment ?

    She’s on abc lateline

  201. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2012 12:05 am

    I wonder if Howard had done this what Labor supporters would have said??

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/first-deployment-of-talisman-sabre-marines-arrives-in-culturally-vibrant-darwin/story-e6frfku0-1226318028165

    “THE first Marines to take part in a controversial series of deployments to Australia have arrived in Darwin………………The 200 American troops are the advance guard of a controversial military rotation agreed to by Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Barack Obama when the US President visited Australia in November.”

  202. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2012 6:24 am

    Emma alberici the hottest looking host on tv at the moment ?’

    Emma is stunning (in a girl next door sort of way) and is an excellent foreign correspondent for the ABC.

    My guess is that the commercials have already offered her mega bucks to come across, but up until now she has resisted the temptation.

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 4, 2012 8:44 am

    So we have an 1100 page report that goes to the (possible) criminal behaviour of a member of parliament. It suggests that there are 180 instances of breach of union rules of the law.

    It’s been 3 years coming.

    …but the public isn’t allowed to see it!

    What an outrageous sham.

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 4, 2012 8:45 am

    Kathy Jackson does a good job in prosecuting the case for more ethical behaviour among union officials too.

  205. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2012 8:48 am

    Thomson said he hasn’t seen it either, the first he heard about it was on twitter.

  206. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2012 9:05 am

    So there is sufficient now to say Thomson has “a case to answer”.

    yet

    So we have an 1100 page report that goes to the (possible) criminal behaviour of a member of parliament.

    ie, it is also quite ‘possible’ that Thomson does NOT have “a case to answer”

    It is also quite ‘possible’ that jackson does 😉 (since we are here hypothesising)

    Oh, hang on, last night, she said this was about tommo, not her ROFL

    btw
    Is anyone aware that she is dating the vice president of FWA, who himself was installed by the libs!
    And they reckon Labor are influencing the FWA 😯

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2012 9:15 am

    It’s been 3 years coming.
    …but the public isn’t allowed to see it!
    What an outrageous sham.

    No, its not … its been referred to the DPP … that means that IF charges are laid, any evidence contained in the Report may used, UNLESS, it is released to the public and then becomes prejudicial to the Thomson’s defence – therefore useless!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Perhaps if “some people” stopped referring to other posters as “fuckwits” that might go some way towards making a “noice blog” a reality…

    I’m not sure I’ve actually called any posters on TFR such names … sreb???

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 4, 2012 9:20 am

    Your innuendo is particularly lame Tom R.

    The convention is that governments appoint equal numbers of business and union commissioners. You’ll find plenty of union types were appointed by the Howard Government.

    Anyone who is plugged into the gossip circuit knows about Kathy Jackson’s personal affairs.

    In any event what has Kathy Jackson done, other than point to the plundering of union funds for prostitutes, personal expenses, meals etc?

    What exactly is the criticism, other than it is annoying to an MP who probably spent the money and inconvenient to the government who relies on his vote to remain in office?

  209. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2012 9:24 am

    Your innuendo is particularly lame Tom R.

    considering your recent posts yomm, I thought it quite appropriate 😉

  210. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 4, 2012 9:28 am

    the a vice president of the FWA, who himself was installed by the libs!”

    Michael Lawler is a Labor man through and through. No need to imply he is Abbott’s stooge just because he occasionally thinks for himself.

  211. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2012 2:40 pm

    Looks like Romney is going to get the nod.

  212. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2012 2:50 pm

    Still in Amerika…

    ‘On the Tuesday broadcast of “CNN Newsroom,” CNN meteorologist Alexandra Steele declared that tornadoes plowing through the Dallas-Fort Worth area were brought on by climate change.’

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2012 3:59 pm

    Why I don’t trust scientists …

    A SCIENTIST who worked on a “super virus” to make it spread easily between humans has defended his actions and revealed how he created it.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/hybrid-of-h5n1-bird-flu-and-swine-flu-viruses-created-to-spread-between-people/story-fn5fsgyc-1226318534609

    And where my distrust and cynicism began … (when I first read this) …

    With gallows humor, the Los Alamos physicists got up a betting pool on the possible yield of the bomb. Estimates ranged from zero to as high as 45,000 tons of TNT. Enrico Fermi, who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1938 for his work on nuclear fission, offered side odds on the bomb destroying all life on the planet.

    http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/07/dayintech_0716

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2012 4:00 pm

    Moderation?

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2012 5:49 pm

    LOL! Dem Poms. hey?

    Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful, says writer Samantha Brick

    http://www.news.com.au/world/dont-hate-me-because-im-beautiful-says-narcissist-writer-samantha-brick/story-e6frfkyi-1226318403187

    Hilarious!!!!

  216. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2012 6:05 pm

    Well it is good to see our PM getting along so well with our American allies.

    WARNING- PUKE INDUCING

  217. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2012 6:56 pm

    ‘Convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby is a step closer to winning her freedom after Indonesia’s Justice Ministry confirmed it had recommended she be granted clemency and an early release.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/corby-closer-to-release-as-report-recommends-clemency-20120404-1wcdb.html#ixzz1r3n2UUlz

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2012 7:08 pm

    Premier (gag) Newman has made his first cut in spending … a $244,000 of Premier’s Literary Awards … WoW!

    Pity he didn’t feel the same way about fucking tunnels!

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2012 7:12 pm

    Just a reminder that Queensland’s new Premier is an engineer …

    I began my career in the auto trade … engineers designed the vehicles that we had to contort around to service, repair and maintain … we used to talk about the engineers wot designed things … the following phrase was oft used …

    Yesterday I couldn’t spell engineer … now I are one … how appropriate for Can’t Do …

  220. Möbius Ecko permalink
    April 4, 2012 7:41 pm

    O’Farrell caught out today.

    Whilst trying to distract attention away from his involvement of the Star Casino shemozzle by announcing (again) the $9 billion North-West railway, O’Farrell again stated he can’t remember the conversation where he was supposed to have said he would SMASH the casino. In his defence he said that SMASH was not a word he used.

    Segue.

    Lots of snippets of footage of O’Farrell in parliament saying he would SMASH this, SMASH that, SMASH them and SMASH it.

    One year on and he’s broken just about every promise, moved the remainder so far right into committees they will never see the light of day, has sent just about every indicator for the things he promised to fix as a priority backwards whilst he prances around grand standing, lost two ministers and should have lost another two because of the utter ineptitude.

    Not this term but probably after the next I can see another decade plus of Labor coming into power for NSW.

  221. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2012 7:45 pm

    Newman is ex army…he might be a philistine.

  222. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2012 7:53 pm

    ‘Not this term but probably after the next I can see another decade plus of Labor coming into power for NSW.’

    Perhaps…it depends on the leader and how united the party is at the time.

  223. JAWS permalink
    April 4, 2012 10:49 pm

    From TB

    “I began my career in the auto trade … we used to talk about the engineers wot designed things … ”

    That’s how we ended up with the P76.

    The only Australian made car that looks like its wearing a
    fucking safari suit !

  224. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 5, 2012 12:26 am

    Is anyone aware that she is dating the vice president of FWA, who himself was installed by the libs!

    You can’t say that about St. Kathy, it’s too shocking!

    Thomson allegations pick long-standing wounds at HSU

    In tomM’s compartmentalised mind, it’s not OK to think anything about Kathy Jackson and possible conflicts of interest, but it is quite OK to make an assumption and declare an assumed guilt about Julia Gillard and a former partner!

    ONE FLEW OVER THE HSU NEST: Kathy Jackson asks ‘Is Kathy Jackson a hero?

    Last night’s extraordinary claims by former ALP Administrative Committee member and HSU national secretary Kathy Jackson that her Labor government was guilty of political interference with the Fair Work Australia investigation into corruption in her union could be coming from within the organisation itself, insiders say.

    Jackson’s fiancé or partner is Michael Lawler, a high-ranking official within FWA, appointed by Tony Abbott when he was minister

    Conspiracies abound, but don’t think that Tony Abbott wouldn’t be above grubby dealings. I would not trust him as far I could throw him, the man would do anything to get what he wants. I remember Abbott and his part in the jailing of then political threat Pauline Hanson with his secret Australians for Honest politics slush fund, we were never allowed to find out who donated to the “get pauline” cause.

    and a commenter from the above link:

    …It is of note that Michael Lawler was appointed by Abbott (as former Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations in 2002) to the position of VP of the AIRC with no background whatsoever in industrial law. Lawler has significant and long family ties to Abbott via the catholic church (Lawler’s father, Sir Peter Lawler, was Australia’s consul to the Vatican). Lawler’s appointment then was a job for a mate, and Lawler is significantly in debt to Abbott because of it.

    An investigation is required into the likelihood that Abbott is working with Lawler and Jackson, for the obvious purpose of undermining Thompson, and bringing down the Labor government.

    Anyone who knows Lawler knows he is an utterly deceitful human being. Carol Glen’s report of her run in with Lawler is perfectly in keeping with the psychiatric time bomb he is. Fair Work Australia should undertake an investigation into the misuse of public funds by Lawler to travel and reside in Melbourne with Jackson under the guise of sham ‘conciliation’ discussions prior to their relationship going public…

    Posted by Joe L | February 4, 2012, 23:10

    The contradictory paradox that is tomM!

    In what other industry would the job of an individual be so painstakingly protected by the powerful interests?

    Oh, powerful senators like Barnaby Joyce and Alby Shultz writing to Gina Rinehart’s children to get them to back down from their legitimate family interests is pretty painstaking, protective and secretively intimidating.

    But only Labor has people of questionable character, it’s just how unions operate, the Coalition being made up of finely bred, upper class idjits, who have been taught from day one that the world revolves around themselves and their desires.

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 5, 2012 12:41 am

    Moderation?

    woops, wrong thread too 😆

  226. el gordo permalink
    April 5, 2012 7:51 am

    ‘IT MAY be popular now, but Labor’s $36 billion national broadband network is shaping up to be a financial disaster that will set Labor’s image back decades, rebranding it the party of waste and extravagance.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbn-labelled-a-waste-to-set-labor-back-years-20120404-1wd9l.html#ixzz1r6vomGfk

    It would be in the taxpayers interest if the government threw in the towel now.

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2012 8:56 am

    If Lawler has misused any public funds, then investigate and take action.

    All the “look over there” stuff is amazing and hilarious. Last time it was a pathetic woman who was caught shoplifting, this time it is focussed on Kathy Jackson.

    Misogynists?

  228. April 5, 2012 10:27 am

    srsly icbf today

  229. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2012 2:05 pm

    “On coming to Paris for a visit, I said to myself: Here are a million human beings who would all die in a few days if supplies of all sorts did not flow into this great metropolis. It staggers the imagination to try to comprehend the vast multiplicity of objects that must pass through its gates tomorrow, if its inhabitants are to be preserved from the horrors of famine, insurrection, and pillage. And yet all are sleeping peacefully at this moment, without being disturbed for a single instant by the idea of so frightful a prospect. On the other hand, eighty departments have worked today, without co-operative planning or mutual arrangements, to keep Paris supplied.

    “How does each succeeding day manage to bring to this gigantic market just what is necessary—neither too much nor too little? What, then, is the resourceful and secret power that governs the amazing regularity of such complicated movements, a regularity in which everyone has such implicit faith, although his prosperity and his very life depend upon it? That power is an absolute principle, the principle of free exchange. We put our faith in that inner light which Providence has placed in the hearts of all men, and to which has been entrusted the preservation and the unlimited improvement of our species, a light we term self-interest, which is so illuminating, so constant, and so penetrating, when it is left free of every hindrance.

    “Where would you be, inhabitants of Paris, if some cabinet minister decided to substitute for that power contrivances of his own invention, however superior we might suppose them to be; if he proposed to subject this prodigious mechanism to his supreme direction, to take control of all of it into his own hands, to determine by whom, where, how, and under what conditions everything should be produced, transported, exchanged, and consumed? Although there may be much suffering within your walls, although misery, despair, and perhaps starvation, cause more tears to flow than your warm-hearted charity can wipe away, it is probable, I dare say it is certain, that the arbitrary intervention of the government would infinitely multiply this suffering and spread among all of you the ills that now affect only a small number of your fellow-citizens.” ~ Frederic Bastiat

  230. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2012 3:07 pm

    Barry has vision, put Sydney’s second airport in Canberra.

    “The NSW government believes no other part of Sydney should be contaminated by the sort of noise that comes with an airport,” Mr O’Farrell said.

    “The most sensible option is to build a fast-rail link to the federal capital and use Canberra Airport for additional capacity for flights.”

    Hear hear…

  231. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2012 3:26 pm

    In 2009 Canberra was suggested as an ‘appropriate location for a second Sydney airport, provided that a high speed rail link (HSR) was built that reduced travel times between the cities to 50 minutes.’

    ‘Existing infrastructure: runway, terminals, navigationals aids etc, would negate the need to develop agreenfields airport site. The estimated cost (in 2009) of the Sydney-to-Canberra link was A$8 billion to $10 billion.’

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2012 4:46 pm

    The next BIG thing in computers is really very SMALL … especially the price $AU38!

    More info here …

    http://www.raspberrypi.org/

  233. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2012 5:09 pm

    ‘Wollondilly Mayor Col Mitchell said the council and community would remain opposed to the idea of Wilton housing a major airport.

    “What they have to realise is that Wilton is not just a dot on the map, it is in a (south-western Sydney) sub-region with 450,000 people, which could grow to about 900,000 people,” he said. “I don’t think he (Mr Albanese) has done his ground work on this.

    “We don’t want planes coming in over our dam areas … dropping fuel when necessary.

    “Putting it in a sensitive area, I just can’t believe it, the idea has failed in the past, so what’s changed?”

    Parkes is more likely.

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2012 5:58 pm

    Sydney people amuse me …

    … we are the greatest and everybody wants to come here… but we can’t even decide on where to put a friggin’ airport …

    … and we can’t have planes flying over our city after 11 pm … precious little farts …

    … its 2012 FFS! Time to make money at the expense of the community …

  235. Möbius Ecko permalink
    April 8, 2012 6:16 pm

    The Canberra airport with Sydney high speed rail link was found not to be viable in O’Farrell’s own report, the very same report that states it’s urgent that a second airport be built near Sydney, the report O’Farrell is ignoring in all aspects as his colleagues openly go against him.

    So much so that he was a no show on one of his grandstanding media stints at the horse races as the media were there to question him about real things.

    Also violence in Western Sydney has escalated to proportions that made the Labor days look peaceful in comparison. Yet when Labor were in power the violence was all their fault but now it’s the people of Western Sydney’s fault apparently according to the current Police Minister.

    Yeah this Liberal government was going to be so much better than that bad Labor government… and I laughed so much my sides ached.

  236. Möbius Ecko permalink
    April 8, 2012 6:22 pm

    NBN allowing jobs to be bought back onshore. Firms in Australia are now hiring Australian call center operators as they now can work from home because of the NBN, which makes it financially viable to hire on shore.

    NBN is allowing firms to hire handicapped and disadvantaged as it is viable for them to work from home where there are facilities already in place to cater for their needs. They would not be normally hired by the types of firms now employing them because of the NBN.

    Yeah lets just throw the NBN it out and all those jobs as well so they can go back overseas, and that doesn’t even begin to look at the other economic benefits rapidly accruing under the NBN.

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2012 7:31 pm

    NBN is allowing firms to hire handicapped and disadvantaged as it is viable for them to work from home where there are facilities already in place to cater for their needs.

    … and create the same opportunities for so many other Australians too, Adrian!

    The “dumbness” and “shortsightedness” of the, “no, no, no!”, brigade that annoys the crap out of me!

    Creative is a word that sets, Liberals and Nationals AND Greens, a shudder … the first wants to go back to the Royal class system, the second thinks that we can still make money from “The Fleece” and the third thinks we should all live in teepees and grow our own food …

    Me and mine? We can, and do, play the silly, “yes, sir, three bags full, sir” when necessay – we know that the next profit wave will be on feeding the world (and invested our grandchildren’s future in the same) and what would annoy all three of the parties, mentioned above, is that my family from children to grandchildren know how to build a teepee, find their own food and water and survive in the wild …

    Them Chinese are in for a fkn hard time my friend!

  238. April 8, 2012 7:59 pm

    ” my family from children to grandchildren know how to build a teepee, find their own food and water and survive in the wild …”

    Just another ordinary day in Queensland…

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2012 8:30 pm

    Just another ordinary day in Queensland…

    You taking the Mickey, Taswegian Jummy?

  240. Meta permalink
    April 9, 2012 4:08 am

    (Whereas one might conclude that Bastiat might approve of bouillabaisse, one still is not quite sure that Bastiat’s invented Parisian microcosm other than arbitrarily overlooks inhabitation itself, in substitution of that which it otherwise describes so faithfully.)

  241. el gordo permalink
    April 9, 2012 9:54 am

    Mobius the gang warfare in western Sydney is a cyclic phenomenon and will come to an end with drug law reform. At least the Sydney gangsters are only shooting each other in the legs, unlike the Melburnians of recent times.

    With the second airport… VFR under the Blueys to Parkes should please everyone, but will require political resolve and Chinese help.

  242. el gordo permalink
    April 9, 2012 7:45 pm

    Canberra is going to get the nod, but it really depends in Nick Greiner.

    ‘Mr Byron said Badgerys Creek had been completely ruled out as a second airport site because there were 4440 homes directly under the flight path.

    “We think we’re a good option, we think we’re the right option, but we’re only an option if we don’t have houses under the flight path,” he said.

    ‘He said scores of people from western Sydney and Wollongong already drive to Canberra’s airport to catch domestic flights because parking was cheaper than Sydney.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/canberra-airport-backs-sydney-fast-train-20120409-1wknp.html#ixzz1rXCmWXaM

  243. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2012 7:04 am

    ‘BREAKING NEWS: Robert Mugabe reportedly ‘fighting for his life’ in Singapore hospital due to undisclosed illness’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127394/Robert-Mugabe-fighting-life-Singapore-hospital-undisclosed-illness.html#ixzz1rZywFJK8

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2012 8:50 am

    Q&A wasn’t exactly comPELLing TV last night … and on occasions the defender of the athiest movement came across as a right DAWK (sic)…

    The Archbishop needs to be put out to pasture, methinks … a rambling we will go was his modus operandi …

    … as the most senior Catholic Churchman in Australia, Pell, epitomised the decline of the influence of the Vatican around the world …

    … he even had the temerity to say that his organisation had been responsible for the emancipation of women … (the female priests are testament to that) … and that the Christians had put an end to slavery (talk to the boys in the deep south of the bible belt in the USA!) … gays were deliberately flawed … Jews were intellectually inferior …

    … Q&A did give an insight into, Tony Abbott’s, understanding of the world, given that, Pell, is Tone’s spritual advisor …

    Even with a stacked audience, Pell, was pathetic … I could have done better myself and I’m agnostic!

    Thank goodness for some of the clever comments on the bottom of my screen!

    Not really impressed with Dawkins either …

  245. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 10, 2012 1:17 pm

    It seemed to me TB to have been very ‘pre-arranged’ and ‘pre-agreed’ upon.

    Pell did get away with a lot of fudging of history and fudging of ‘inconvenient’ facts like when he said “I’m not sure about how long ago” (we know that the creation timeline is way out).

    “… he even had the temerity to say that his organisation had been responsible for the emancipation of women … (the female priests are testament to that) … and that the Christians had put an end to slavery (talk to the boys in the deep south of the bible belt in the USA!) …”

    Pell tried to claim that, but Dawkins immediately said that when those historic wrongs existed they were not fought by the religious.

    The last time Dawkins was here in Australia he was heavily criticised by the religious lot for being too aggressive (even though he was quite restrained and polite IMO).

    I think he was making sure that they could not say he was impolite, aggressive or uncivil to the great Pell.

    Pell kept going off on huge diversions and not answering the question put to him, had to be dragged back by Tony all the time. What about when Pell tries to equate “evolutionary cousins with family cousins”, it made me laugh. Then when questioned re adam and eve tony asks if it’s a literal truth. Pell says it’s a religious story told for religious purposes, not scientific!

    Pell says “one of the great miracles is that we have a voice box so we can communicate to each other and not grunt”. He totally doesn’t understand that language comes from the brain not the voice box and that other animals do just that, communicate by grunting. I just couldn’t understand that kind of reasoning.

    Intelligent Design? Pell would not be drawn on it, squirmed all over the place, the faker, then completely changed the subject and asked a question of Dawkins!

    In fact Pell was quite rude to Dawkins at times, but Dawkins had to show restraint and be nice and kind to the great man.

  246. April 10, 2012 1:54 pm

    “the great man”

    Yes, he’s very impressed with the sound of his own gravelly voice…

    I bet when he gets home and flings off the funny outfits, he probably just sounds like a nasally whining Christopher Pyne….

  247. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2012 2:07 pm

    Pell’s rudeness illustrates he has lost the argument.

    Nicely framed essay AO, but did Pell say anything about the resurrection?

  248. April 10, 2012 3:43 pm

    New Essential Poll is all bad news for Julia…

    Poll 2 Party Preferred: ALP 43 (-2) L/NP 57 (+2)

    Poll Primary Votes: ALP 31 (-2) L/NP 50 (+2) GRN 11 (0)

  249. April 10, 2012 3:44 pm

    Poll coincides with sinking of Titanic…

    Coincidence? I think not.

  250. JAWS permalink
    April 10, 2012 3:49 pm

    “Poll coincides with sinking of Titanic…”

    The Titantic had proportionally more survivors

  251. April 10, 2012 3:57 pm

    LOL! 🙂

  252. JAWS permalink
    April 10, 2012 3:59 pm

    Julia could discover the Fountain of Youth and it would not matter because people have just stopped listening to her.

    Not only are they fed up with the lies but her speech delivery is abominable. She still persists in repeating ad nauseum whatever buzzword of the day her spin masters want repeated. She’ll do it upto 10 times within a 3 minute period. We’ve all heard her do it.

    She treats the public like stupid little kids and they are frigging furious about it

    These days we are not listening but just staring at the sands of the hour glass waiting for that last grain of sand to drop before we reach for the baseball bats and deal out some real punishment.

  253. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2012 4:00 pm

    How far will it sink before the crew mutiny and elect a new skipper?

    Or are they contemplating going down with the ship?

  254. April 10, 2012 4:08 pm

    “We’ve all heard her do it.”

    She was excruciating on ABC News 24 this morning when questioned about the whole Thomson saga and the needless 3 year exercise in stalling undertaken by FWA..

  255. JAWS permalink
    April 10, 2012 4:14 pm

    Oh yeah……..”that’s a matter for Fair Work Australia”……………” that’s being handled by Fair Work Australia”…………… “that’s a matter for the Fair Work Australia report”…………… “Fair Work Australia are looking into that”……………

    Multiply by 20

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2012 4:19 pm

    “Fair Work Australia are looking into that”

    So she can’t even reiterate the truth and be expected to be believed?

    I do hope YoM and Noddy are reading this … reiterating personal opinions (even though they have been refuted ie are wrong) has the same effect on me … and a few others I warrant …

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  257. April 10, 2012 4:27 pm

    “Fair Work Australia are looking into that”

    That’ll become the new slogan for “doing nothing.”

    “Johnny, have you finished your homework..?”

    “Almost mum. Fair Work are looking into it.”

  258. JAWS permalink
    April 10, 2012 4:28 pm

    “………even though they have been refuted ie are wrong”

    TB finds Julia interesting ?

  259. Meta permalink
    April 10, 2012 5:01 pm

    (I came across this in my Twelve Angry Apostolic travels, if anyone is interested: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fwoa2009362/ . It might be an okay resource by which to assess or find meaning in the forthcoming report (I imagine, or Lady Justice imagines, or I imagine that Lady Justice imagines, that the report, though, will include a lot more actual detail and maybe recapitulate some administrative and some Fed Crt stuff along the way, which will inevitably add yet more layers of justiciability like processes due, evidentiary standards, precedents, etc; and I’d probably still be reluctant, at least at first/naive instance, to make too much reliance on the report without a direct referral or some other mechanism of fair and equitable transmission if it were to be gauge-hopping to another jurisdictional/investigatory body, even if harmonisation is the order of the day, for reason of ostensible likely disharmonies with FWA investigatory style and powers, availability and probability of lawyerly advice matched to forum, etc.)

  260. April 10, 2012 5:23 pm

    Just catching up with Q and A on Iview…

    Pell says that atheists can “certainly” get into heaven…

    That’s me sorted then.

    Pass the bong.

  261. JAWS permalink
    April 10, 2012 5:32 pm

    “Pell says that atheists can “certainly” get into heaven…”

    Count me out

    That means Julia’s a possible

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2012 5:57 pm

    Where’s my last post?

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2012 6:11 pm

    Take 2!

    TB finds Julia interesting ?

    There ya go again, putting words into my posts … change yer name but ya don’t change yer game!

  264. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2012 6:46 pm

    Pacific islanders make their way to Australia via NZ, along with a multitude of kiwis, now Chinese nationals are seeking refuge in NZ via Oz.

    ‘JULIA Gillard says she is unable to stop a group of Chinese nationals in Darwin who want to travel to New Zealand to seek asylum.

    ‘Despite frequently lobbying Indonesia and other transit nations to prevent asylum-seeker vessels from departing for Australia, the Prime Minister said the group of 10 Chinese nationals were within their legal rights to make the journey to New Zealand.’

  265. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2012 6:50 pm

    Snake oil salesmen in Beijing are not to be taken seriously.

    ‘Over at the Sunland Group’s booth, a sign read: “Buy Australian’ real estate; free migration.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/for-sale-australian-homes-with-views-to-residency-20120410-1wm87.html#ixzz1rcqKKoOA

  266. April 10, 2012 6:52 pm

    so what…?

  267. April 10, 2012 7:03 pm

    I haven’t watched Q&A for aeons, but Pell V Dawkins is something I may be able to sink my teeth into. Thanks for the heads up!

  268. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2012 8:10 pm

    ‘so what…?’

    Felun Gong should be allowed to stay here as genuine refugees and if they still want to go to NZ the Australian public will probably assist them to raise the airfare.

  269. Tony permalink
    April 10, 2012 8:20 pm

    Philosophical discussions are always interesting, not only because the questions are unanswerable.

  270. April 10, 2012 8:28 pm

    Well said El Gordo…! 🙂

  271. April 10, 2012 8:39 pm

    Having now watched it…Pell is an arch obfuscator who would be utterly unconvincing to any person not already subsumed by his particular niche & fantasy club.

    One man offered answers, the other proffered sidesteps & intangible evasions.

    Such rubbish is & always has been the mortar of my atheism.

  272. April 10, 2012 8:41 pm

    That such questions are ‘unanswerable’ in no way advances the divine as a more probable explanation.

    Only humans even consider this type of shit.

    Plants/animals are no less ‘alive’.

    It is the ultimate argument from ignorance.

  273. Tony permalink
    April 10, 2012 8:53 pm

    “Only humans even consider this type of shit.”

    Only humans can consider this type of shit.

  274. April 10, 2012 8:57 pm

    “Only humans can consider this type of shit.”

    Is that a verified fact…, or just the “christian point of view?”

  275. Tony permalink
    April 10, 2012 9:00 pm

    “Is that a verified fact…, or just the “christian point of view?”

    Aside from some as yet undiscovered intelligent lifeform, I’d say it’s a verified fact.

  276. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2012 9:00 pm

    No other creature on earth has such an active imagination as homo sapien.

    Obviously I cannot confirm this theory.

  277. April 10, 2012 9:03 pm

    “Plants/animals are no less ‘alive’.
    It is the ultimate argument from ignorance.”

    or “arrogance”…….

    Totally agree!!!

  278. April 10, 2012 9:05 pm

    “Obviously I cannot confirm this theory.”

    Exactly! So why state it as a matter of fact in the first place!!!!

    For the love of god…. 🙄

  279. April 10, 2012 9:10 pm

    Humans are humancentric.

    Our musings have no bearing on the why or the how.

    Observing & measuring is the antithesis of making shit up to fill in spaces in the unexplainable.

  280. April 10, 2012 9:11 pm

    Christians don’t have a monopoly on constructing divine fairy tales, I might add.

  281. April 10, 2012 9:13 pm

    “I’d say it’s a verified fact.”

    I respectfully disagree.

  282. hadn of Jesus permalink
    April 10, 2012 9:14 pm

    So true!

  283. April 10, 2012 9:15 pm

    … 😯

  284. Tony permalink
    April 10, 2012 9:18 pm

    The hadn lives!

  285. April 10, 2012 9:56 pm

    I really like this, from one of your earlier posts…

    ” enter into the thoughts of others with fidelity and to accept questions and dissent gracefully.”

    A pretty good rule of thumb.

  286. April 10, 2012 10:01 pm

    `Maybe you two should get a room… 😯

  287. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2012 10:02 pm

    ‘Exactly! So why state it as a matter of fact in the first place!!!!’

    To state otherwise is madness, we already know that humans are the winners because of our imagination, ingenuity and dexterity, but I have no way of knowing if a big brained whale has imagination or not.

    Superstition has played a significant role in the Catholic Church over the past 2000 years, inventing stuff like the Resurrection.

    This connection to something unworldly is where the story begins and is the basis of a whole belief system. It requires a vivid imagination and lots of faith to succeed.

  288. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2012 10:04 pm

    ‘For the love of god’ LOL

  289. Tony permalink
    April 10, 2012 10:10 pm

    “`Maybe you two should get a room… ”

    Maybe you should go and build a couple of blog bridges, or something. 😯 😉 🙂

  290. el gordo permalink
    April 13, 2012 7:08 am

    ‘MORE than 25,000 housing blocks are being considered for the Wilton area, potentially torpedoing it as the location for a second Sydney airport and ratcheting up tension between the state and federal governments.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/clash-of-ambitions-25000-homes-or-a-new-sydney-airport-20120412-1wwoc.html#ixzz1rrWLGNDQ

    Barry is going to get his way, Sydney/Canberra will probably be the start of the VFT network.

  291. Tony permalink
    April 13, 2012 9:42 am

    Good on Campbell Newman for resisting attempts to centralise more power in Canberra. It is in the best interest of every individual that government is dispersed. If a person doesn’t like a zoning regulation imposed by a city, town or shire council, they can move to another city, town or shire. If a state regulation imposes unfair restrictions on someone’s business, they are free to move that business to another state. If the same individual objects to a law or tax imposed by the federal government (conceivably, they could have been in the 49.9% “minority” on a contentious issue), then moving to another country is a much more drastic – and decidedly more difficult – step, not least because of another country’s probable restrictions on immigration.

    Competetive federalism, as Newman calls it, means states compete against each other in areas like taxes, and (lack of) regulation, in order to attract businesses and residents with the ultimate goal of increasing prosperity and raising the standard of living. It is no surprise that the anti-competetive instincts of executives of (multi)national businesses were on diplay yesterday, furiously agreeing with Ms Gillard’s attempts to take further power from the states.

  292. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 13, 2012 11:50 am

    “Bob Brown has resigned as Australian Green leader and will also quit the Senate.

    The 67-year-old made the announcement to his party room colleagues this morning.

    Christine Milne will take over the leadership of the party.”

    Bye bye fellow Earthian.

  293. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2012 12:19 pm

    That’s interesting. The Greens are finished. Brown occasionally restrained himself and was able to present and interview rationally. The rest don’t have this ability.

  294. el gordo permalink
    April 13, 2012 12:44 pm

    ‘Senator Brown will leave the Senate in June. He said the party would now seek a successor to fill his Senate seat.’

    Hmmmm….

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2012 12:56 pm

    Good on Campbell Newman …

    Mmmm … your obviously not very familiar with the power grabber …

    This bloke is interested in one thing and one thing only … himself … he’ll burble about “it’s best for Queensland” … but its all about, Campbell … and his Cronies …

    … welcome back Joh!

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2012 1:22 pm

    … oh, and campbell, doen’t believe in building regs … he plans to let people build what ever they like where they like … we’ll see what happens with that …

    … and just so we all know how Campbell treat those who may disagree with him and his methods …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland-labor-opposition-still-with-no-computers-email-blames-lnp/story-e6frfkvr-1226325680473

    Ms Palaszczuk says the opposition offices would be “booted off” the parliamentary precinct for no good reason.

    Purpose-built opposition offices on level six of the parliamentary annexe will be turned into committee rooms, with the opposition offices to move across the road to the Department of Public Works building.

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 13, 2012 1:43 pm

    …Purpose-built opposition offices on level six of the parliamentary annexe will be turned into committee rooms, with the opposition offices to move across the road to the Department of Public Works building…

    They need the extra rooms for Clive.

    [audio src="http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/newsradio/audio/20120412-palmer.mp3" /]

    Clive’s not loopy or evasive, he just answered the journo’s questions by talking about what he and his mates had for lunch.

    No surprise to find Mal Brough fetching the drinks and performing food taster duties for Clive, the Libs are determined that he be foisted on the country by parachuting him into Peter Slipper’s seat.

  298. Syd Barrett permalink
    April 13, 2012 2:07 pm

    Occasionally Saint Bob or one of his handmaidens Christine or Sarah would attempt to justify one of their nutty policies, or criticise one of the government’s or the coalition’s, in monetary terms! I never knew whether to laugh or cry.
    ————————
    Another reason to support decentralising government power is: the more local the level of government, the fewer constituents there are per representative.
    ————————–
    Newman strikes me as a far superior politician to any currently in Canberra, including Abbott. He would make a good federal coalition leader, IMO.

    Go Campbell! 😯

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2012 2:45 pm

    Newman strikes me as a far superior politician …

    S’alright being “struck” by Campbell … but what makes him/why would he be … “superior”?

    I see Campbell’s new tunnels in Brisbane are all doing well for their shareholders … not … so much for a degree in engineering but not in servicing Brisbane’s real needs (a ring road would have been quicker, cheaper and far more effective …)

    … do you drive around Brisbane?

    Noddy, certainly got a lot of political and town planning experience as an officer in the RAE … 😯

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