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Weekend Rostrum: Special “Bob Brown” Commemorative Special Edition!

April 13, 2012
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Hello, good afternoon and welcome to another exciting edition of Weekend Rostrum.

Our special “remembering Bob” commemorative special edition.

Personally, I’m a bit disappointed that cranky, whining elder statesman Christine Milne has been given the nod for the job.

A far more deserving candidate for the role would’ve been Sarah Hanson-Young, who, despite many years of inexperience, gullibility and naivety seems perfectly equipped to steward Australia’s trillion dollar economy while legalising absolutely everything that can be legalised along the way.

Bogans are our Friends.

It was not so long ago, on television if I recall correctly, that someone referred to himself as a “proud bogan.”

This is a concept I struggle with, what, for instance, exactly is there to be proud of?  Perhaps “shameless” would be a more fitting descriptor.

Also after seeing hoards of screaming your teenagers going wild at the mere sight of One Direction (who are these people?), I’m thinking of setting up my own “boy band”..

The Backdoor Boys has a nice ring to it.

 

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  1. April 13, 2012 2:36 pm

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  2. JAWS permalink
    April 13, 2012 3:33 pm

    “Also after seeing hoards of screaming your teenagers going wild at the mere sight of One Direction (who are these people?), I’m thinking of setting up my own “boy band”..”

    Given they are a Simon Cowell creation it can only be a matter of time before one of them comes out as gay

  3. JAWS permalink
    April 13, 2012 3:35 pm

    As far as Bob Brown’s retirement is concerned………….

  4. el gordo permalink
    April 13, 2012 4:07 pm

    Does anyone know who they will ‘shoe horn’ into that empty senate seat?

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2012 4:26 pm

    I listened to Christine Milne deliver a Green diatribe during a conference a year ago.

    I though she went on (and on and on and on…) for 2 or 3 hours, but it was apparently only about ½ hour. That’s what happens when you’re in agony.

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2012 4:27 pm

    During the diatribe, I wondered what the squeeking was… it was me grinding my teeth.

  7. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 13, 2012 4:40 pm

    I was thinking of forming a boy band that does church music in the style of Byrd or Palestrina. I would call them “The Hunky Bellboys” or perhaps “Kiss The Cardinal’s Ring” or maybe “Dreams Of Paradise”.

  8. JAWS permalink
    April 13, 2012 5:58 pm

    Thankfully Bob Brown was a total failure compared to his European counterparts. Look at the mess they have made of Europe.

    He totally failed to convert the Greens into a mainstream party despite his stated ambition to turn the Greens into a party of government rather than one of just holding the balance of power in the Senate.

    So Bob here’s to you you total F**king Failure……………….Up Yours.

    We should have a competition as to what we’d all write on his “Farewell Card”

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2012 6:00 pm

    I really laughed at the comparison of 1D to The Beatles … JPGR could sing (well three of ’em), harmonise, write music, play intruments, had a sense of humour, discussed religion and weren’t manufactured to “be” a “boy band” …

    1D … live? … yeah …

    … and The Beatles …

  10. Tony permalink
    April 13, 2012 7:43 pm

    The Beatlez are wimpz.

  11. Tony permalink
    April 13, 2012 7:47 pm

    I’d prefer not to have to look at Bob and Sarah while taking my first cup of Earl Grey in the morning. If they were on my chamber pot, on the other hand . . .

  12. Tony permalink
    April 13, 2012 8:12 pm

    I’ll see Teebeez Beetelz and raise him this one (I’m going through a Zeppelin stage at the moment) . . .

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2012 9:59 pm

    Chicken Korma goes very well with a good red. I picked up a few dozen of a nice Pyrenees shiraz 2006 at a very beneficial price. Sensational!

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2012 10:06 pm

    I’m no fan of Carlton, they’re a club with a shocking history of corporate corruption and duplicitous political alignment… but it’s funny to see Collingwood get flogged.

    Not quite enough melees and injuries for genuine sporting enjoyment though.

  15. el gordo permalink
    April 13, 2012 10:09 pm

  16. Tony permalink
    April 13, 2012 10:10 pm

    I’m drinking a dark English stout at room temperature. I’ve recently discovered my ancestors on my mother’s side were Cornish, who came to Oz and bought a silver mine. Don’t tell TB. 😉

  17. April 13, 2012 10:27 pm

    I’ve decided to rename my new boy band…

    “One Erection”.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2012 10:29 pm

    Stout! It doesn’t quite quench the thirst as well as a shiraz.

  19. April 13, 2012 10:51 pm

    Reb, they don’t look old enough to have had one.

  20. JAWS permalink
    April 14, 2012 1:38 am

    Staying’ up tonight because I heard the Spanish banks were in trouble.

    Who would have thought

    Europe is the new third world

  21. el gordo permalink
    April 14, 2012 6:58 am

    One Direction!

    ‘But what really made Europe sit up was this staggering sum of money of 220 odd billion euro borrowed by the Spanish banks to buy their own bonds which in my personal opinion is okay as a one card trick, but its insanity to carry on in this way. We cannot in Europe keep printing money and allowing the banks to buy their own toxic stock and expect eventually to get out of jail.’

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2012 9:41 am

    I’m drinking a dark English stout at room temperature

    Room temp! Stout in Pommie land is chilled these days (’tis on tap) … unless your invited to a bonfire BBQ ont’ moors … yer’ve got to stick the cans (shakes head!) or bottles 🙂 in a bucket of cold water to cool it down !

    Anyway more interested in the silver mine – do you know where?

    (You probably know this … but for the lurkers … Britain’s silver mines were mostly located in Cornwall … plus some of the finest clay pits (the really fine stuff used for glossy magazines these days but formerly used in fine porcelain china … as in your chamber pot no doubt .. ToSY.)

    … FYI the West Country – Cornwall, Devon, Somerset, Dorset is some of the most beautiful and interesting in the UK … the fun fair at Land’s End is a disappointment though …

    BTW … the drink of choice if ever you get to Cornwall (or any of the West Counties) is Scrumpy (originally the dregs of the cider barrel – lumpy – scrumpy) – especially on tap … mmmmm .. mm … my old man … who grew up in Sussex … used to tell us about the one pint limit on “scrumpy” … the second pint would knock most blokes right out before they finished (not considered to be a “girlie” drink)

    I was last there in 2005 … and only had one decent Cornish pasty!

    The Minister, makes better …

  23. el gordo permalink
    April 14, 2012 10:49 am

    My people also came from Cornwall and I consider myself lucky to be here.

    ‘In 1755, the Lisbon earthquake caused a tsunami to strike the Cornish coast over 600 miles away. The sea rose ten feet in ten minutes at Newlyn, and ebbed at the same rate. The 19th century French writer, Arnold Boscowitz, claimed that “great loss of life and property occurred upon the coasts of Cornwall”.

  24. el gordo permalink
    April 14, 2012 11:45 am

    Hooray!

    ‘THE NSW government’s decision to withdraw support from clean energy schemes was criticised yesterday as a retrograde step that would threaten billions of investment dollars.

    ‘The Energy Minister, Chris Hartcher, has said the government would not be supporting green schemes that require a subsidy and is calling for the closure of the federal government’s renewable energy target.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/investment-fears-over-attack-on-green-energy-20120413-1wysv.html#ixzz1ryVgZ46O

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2012 12:01 pm

    I quite like Conrnwll (for England), I’ve had a couple of holidays there. It has a combination of quaint villages and surf. Though it does lack good restaurants and wine.

  26. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 12:09 pm

    TB, their silver mine was in Castlemaine, Victoria.

  27. el gordo permalink
    April 14, 2012 2:50 pm

    ‘Greens are divided into two tendencies – the so-called watermelons, red on the inside and green on the outside, and the traditional environmentalists such as Brown and Milne.

    ‘The watermelons are defined by social activism on issues such as refugees and wealth redistribution, and they are on the rise. They disproportionately dominate the party’s membership, even though the voting base for the Greens is largely swelled by environmentally attuned voters, perhaps less supportive of the Greens’ social agenda.

    ‘Potential challengers to Milne’s authority within the social activist grouping include Sarah Hanson-Young and former NSW MLC Lee Rhiannon.’

    Cultural Marxists.

  28. el gordo permalink
    April 14, 2012 4:21 pm

    Ben Eltham at New Matilda

    ‘Should conditions transpire to produce an Abbott landslide next year, the Greens may well go backwards in the popular vote.

    ‘Given that, the Greens could well finish the 2013 election in worse shape electorally; and they will also lose the leverage of a minority Labor government. It is entirely possible the party might lose the balance of power in the Senate to a triumphant Coalition.

    ‘One thing that is almost certain is that Adam Bandt, their lower house member, will lose — all it will take is for the Coalition to preference Labor, which looks a sure bet.’

  29. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 4:42 pm

    Cornish Placenames in Victoria

    “5. Cornish Mining Terminology
    In Cornwall many of the mine names
    are prefixed with the word ‘wheal’, which
    is said to be a derived from the word
    ‘hwel’, meaning a mine. With so many
    Cornish emigrating to the mines of
    South Australia, it is not surprising to
    find that this practice continued in that
    State, where over fifty mines were given
    this prefix, for example, Wheal Gawler,
    Wheal Prosper, Wheal Rose. However,
    the practice did not follow into Victoria
    to the same extent. The only ‘wheal’
    mine names located to date in Victoria,
    are the former Great Wheal Clunes
    Company (Clunes), Wheal Dory
    (Daylesford), Wheal Fortune
    (Sebastopol), Wheal Kitty (Smythesdale),
    Wheal Margery (Castlemaine), Wheal
    Owl (Bendigo) and Wheal Terrill
    (Fryerstown).”

    http://www.anps.org.au/documents/September_2003.pdf

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2012 6:32 pm

    Very interesting, ToSY, so what were your ancestors called?

  31. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 6:41 pm

    Their name was Terrill, TB.

  32. April 14, 2012 6:57 pm

    Real men are 3/4 German.

    Not pasty islanders, reamed by the Romans.

  33. April 14, 2012 6:58 pm

    The Bob Brown development is noteworthy.

    Those cheering his demise must now choke on the less moderate, more bitter pill that is Milne.

    Hahahaha. Someone needs to harry the majors.

  34. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 7:09 pm

    Somehow I don’t see Milne’s leadership as a plus for the Greens.

  35. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 7:14 pm

    My grandfather fought the Germans. 😯

    Oops, are we supposed to not mention the war?

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2012 7:37 pm

    ToSY, both my parents fought the Germans (both WWII Vets – Mum, Anti Aircraft batteries in London during the blitz, Dad RN on convoys N&S Atlantic) as did both my grandfathers (one in France) …
    WWII was over over 60 years ago …
    … my best friend was born in Germany (ie my Teutonic friend) … his 12 yo son cops a lot of shit at his CATHOLIC school (because his Teachers don’t know History) … when I suggested that they remove him … his parents (mother was born in the UK , BTW) both said “… he has to deal with it” … don’t you love REAL strength of character? And ain’t the teaching system great> Where’s ABBA/ Nature 5 … when you need him …

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2012 7:39 pm

    The Greens will now die … just like the Dems … Aussies like the simple life!

    One day it will really bite ’em on the bum … just look at Lord Newman in QLD!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Broncos – 30 V Canberra six …

  38. April 14, 2012 7:39 pm

    I think it’s a step backwards for the greens too.

    Arseheads in this country are nowhere near ready for left wing politics.

    I honestly think Bob was quite moderate, at least publicly. The rightard arsewipes painted him as extreme, a hilarious joke, but Milne will play into their hands even more.

  39. April 14, 2012 7:44 pm

    I think you’re right about the greens, TB.

    More’s the pity.

    We need some kind of political accountability in this country, probably exerted through a 3rd, Minor Party. (not a fkn backwardsarsed Tea Party though!)

  40. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 7:47 pm

    By the way TB, I’ve listened to you for years banging on about doing national service, but until now had resisted telling you my father was a nasho.

  41. April 14, 2012 7:50 pm

    Game of Thrones has been confirmed for Season 3 by HBO, after the premiere of ep 1 season 2.

    Having read the books, there is some shit on the horizon which is unfknblvbl!

    The best thing about George R. R. Martin is that he unpredictably kills off major characters to keep the plebians guessing.

    Not least of which…

  42. April 14, 2012 7:51 pm

    Go hitler, go!

  43. April 14, 2012 7:52 pm

    Tyrion is BOSS

  44. April 14, 2012 7:54 pm

    “my father was a nasho.”

    So was mine…& his father before him.

    His sons are too canny (& old, now) to get caught up in that maelstrom though.

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2012 8:33 pm

    “my father was a nasho”

    Mine to.

    I think there would be very few Australians who did not have relatives who fought in WW2 or who did national Service when the war finished.

  46. el gordo permalink
    April 14, 2012 9:03 pm

    Bob Menzies wanted to introduce the Brisbane Line and let the Japs have the top end, my dad and uncle decided to fight and keep the whole island.

  47. el gordo permalink
    April 14, 2012 9:12 pm

    Uh oh….

    ‘WHEN the lead organiser for the Health Services Union, Monique Irvine, complained last year that she was having trouble meeting her childcare costs, the union’s boss, Michael Williamson, gave her a $22,000 pay rise.

    ‘Ms Irvine is Mr Williamson’s sister-in-law.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/hsu-bosses-berated-for-obscene-salary-levels-20120413-1wytv.html#ixzz1s0noA39H

  48. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 9:19 pm

    The HSU scandal, regardless of the guilt or otherwise of the main players, has set the trade union movement back 100 years, and has severely damaged a Labor Party already reeling from a massive carbon tax own goal.

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 14, 2012 9:44 pm

    Uh oh….

    …Ms Irvine is Mr Williamson’s sister-in-law.’

    Seems that some have only recently realised that there was a bigger fish to land.

    Of course, had they been reading more widely, not just screaming their tits off about craig thomson and a new election, they would have noticed this much sooner lol:

    oh well, better late than never!

  50. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 14, 2012 9:57 pm

    The union’s national secretary, Kathy Jackson, agreed at a Melbourne news conference yesterday that her own salary of $270,000 a year was ”obscene”. She blamed Mr Williamson for setting ”vastly inflated” wage figures for executives within the HSU and said she would be happy to take a substantial pay cut.

    Goodness, she didn’t have to accept it, has done so for some time though, but only now she would take a pay cut. But it was all williamson’s fault anyway!

    Funny, you NEVER hear corporate execs and company CEO’s saying anything of the sort, they reckon they deserve all they get!

    How many of you lot here have bragged about six figure salaries?

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/hsu-bosses-berated-for-obscene-salary-levels-20120413-1wytv.html#ixzz1s0ynViId

  51. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 10:07 pm

    Whether anyone “deserves” their salary is subjective. What is certain is that in private enterprise an employee gets what an employer is willing to pay. In government or unions such distinctions are not as clear.

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 14, 2012 10:17 pm

    In government or unions such distinctions are not as clear.

    You lot want it all ways don’t you? Back up the thread a bit, or on the other one, I recall commenters [tomm & splatter] trying to equate unions with companies.

    As far as I’m concerned, if we are forced to live in this neoliberal, market driven world, then there should be no distinctions, we should all be getting top dollar for our labour.

  53. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 10:24 pm

    “In government or unions such distinctions are not as clear.”

    By this I mean they should be, but they’re not. Public service salaries – and union salaries, know – bear no relationship to any going rate in an open labour market.

  54. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 10:32 pm

    “You lot” 😯

    Is that like “you people”?

  55. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 10:41 pm

    “we should all be getting top dollar for our labour.”

    We are all getting what the market is willing to pay us for our services. Unless we’re a union executive or government employee, in which case we’re likely getting more than we “deserve”. 😉

  56. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2012 10:47 pm

    It’s what happens when you remove the profit imperative. Instead of making sure income exceeds expenses, government departments make token attempts to stay within (taxpayer funded) budgets. In the case of union executives, they just have to make sure they don’t get caught.

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2012 11:19 pm

    HSU Officials have decided to match their remuneration to that of hospital managers. That’s how they see their “market”. Right, those union officials are equivalent to a major teaching hospital CEO!!

    Meanwhile Kathy Jackson’s relationships and legal advice come under scrutiny by ALP supporters.

    It’s just another “LOOK OVER THERE!!”, which follows the “look over there at the pathetic woman who was caught shoplifting”.

    As if Jackson’s relationships help prove that Thomson didn’t spend the membership’s money on prostitutes.

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 14, 2012 11:28 pm

    Is that like “you people”?

    hehe, similar!

    We are all getting what the market is willing to pay us for our services. Unless we’re a union executive or government employee, in which case we’re likely getting more than we “deserve”.

    I’m pretty sure that nurses are getting a lot less than they surely deserve, or occupations that have similar uni requirements and less physical pressures are getting loads more than they deserve.

    The market has failed some. Mainly women and migrants it seems.

  59. el gordo permalink
    April 14, 2012 11:29 pm

    Positive words from O’Farrell.

    ‘Ms Jackson said she would approach the NSW O’Farrell government about fresh union elections, the possible appointment of an administrator and new measures to “democratise” unions registered in NSW, including a cap on election spending and declaration of funding sources to curb “big money union elections” .

    ‘Mr O’Farrell vowed to examine all options to give union members “the relief they are seeking”.

  60. Bacchus permalink
    April 14, 2012 11:32 pm

    Alternatively ToM, we are at last seeing where the newest “heroine of the right” is really coming from. “Whiter than white.” “Hero”. I wasn’t born yesterday. GMAFB 🙄

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2012 11:44 pm

    What I’m seeing Bacchus, is the very people who refuse to even concede that there is anything untoward regarding Thomson (”it’s all speculation”, “we don’t know”, “there’s no evidence” etc) engaging in outrageous speculation about Jackson’s relationship, her legal advice, politics, motivation.

    They seem to do this without any sense of the hypocrisy irony.

  62. Bacchus permalink
    April 14, 2012 11:52 pm

    No ToM – as usual, that’s just what you want to see. Open your other eye 😉

    As an example, no-one has “refused to even concede that there is anything untoward regarding Thomson”. That’s just your usual verballing of a non-existent POV 🙄

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2012 11:57 pm

    So Bacchus what is the point of speculating about Jackson’s legal advice, or her personal relationships or her politics?

    Does this illuminate anything about the behaviour of Thomson, or is it just another “look over there?

    What exactly is the purpose of the speculation about her?

  64. Bacchus permalink
    April 15, 2012 12:03 am

    Just perhaps, it’s the same as speculation about Thompsom or Williamson. Quite meaningless, but indulged in by many ignorant of any real facts. Fun for some, but meaningless…

    What’s immediately more interesting, is your jumping to “defend” these baseless allegations, speculation and innuendo regarding someone who’s critical to the Lieberals plans. Not the first or second, or third, or…., or tenth time either. Your veil is slipping 🙂

  65. Bacchus permalink
    April 15, 2012 12:29 am

    Let’s indulge in a bit of ignorant speculation though, shall we?

    It is a juicy bit of speculation – even you must admit. A QC, nornmally $12K a day, vice-president of the H.R. Nicholls Society, “union-busting” lawyer is working pro-bono for Ms Jackson… Nah – nothing to see here, nothing in it for Ms Jackson, no need for 😯

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 15, 2012 12:41 am

    What’s immediately more interesting, is your jumping to “defend” these baseless allegations, speculation and innuendo regarding someone who’s critical to the Lieberals plans. Not the first or second, or third, or…., or tenth time either. Your veil is slipping

    Who and what to believe?

    SHARK-JUMPING: HSU boss Kathy Jackson gets Wood from the union-busting HR Nicholls Society

    …In an astonishing move, a leading Melbourne union-busting barrister Stuart Wood, who is a former vice-president and board member of the HR Nicholls Society, has emerged as the HSU’s chief crook Kathy Jackson’s lawyer, on a pro bono basis.

    Wood is not merely a barrister either but is probably one of the best union-busting advocates in the land, normally charging as much as $12,000 a day, often for clients of the highly regarded big bad boss employer firm Freehills, whose collection of art on its walls often inspired me to think that their clients were being extremely generous payers (to their lawyers if not their workers). Our visits there were purely for social or intelligence-gathering reasons…

    BLOWING THE WHISTLE: Jackson took cash from Williamson for her HSU 2009 campaign

    …Despite accusing the NSW HSU’s Mike Williamson of serious wrongdoing, the HSU national secretary and de facto Victorian boss Kathy Jackson has been stonily silent about receiving massive financial support and assistance from Williamson in a hotly contested trade union election in Victoria in 2009, sources say.

    Critics say Jackson should immediately come clean on all of her financial relationships with Williamson, lest she be thought a liar and hypocrite. They say he has so far cleverly conned the media into reporting Williamson’s salary (she reckons $350K) while neglecting to mention she’d insisted on getting the same salary when agreeing to the merger of the NSW and Victorian branches…

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 15, 2012 12:42 am

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/who-are-these-haters-that-poison-the-well-of-our-discourse-20120411-1ws5c.html

    …But how many people are actually bothering to read the so-called bottom half of the internet, let alone add to it?

    My guess is that it’s a tiny minority, but it’s a minority that’s having a disproportionate influence on both the tone and direction of the print and electronic media.

    The key question for older mastheads in particular is how much immediate, non-considered, anonymous commentary enhances public debate – after they’ve spent valuable resources weeding out the spammers, trollers, and astroturfers that deliberately seek to distort and/or poison it.

    There’s some evidence the astroturfers, in particular, are on the march. British writer George Monbiot recently told of being contacted by a whistleblower that worked as part of a PR team paid to infiltrate comment threads and forums, doing the bidding of their corporate clients. The whistleblower worked under 70 different usernames.

    The implications for debates on contentious topics such as climate change – which is not actually scientifically contentious, unless you have an enormous vested interest in convincing the public otherwise, or at least sowing the seeds of confusion and doubt – are obvious. And alarming…

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 15, 2012 12:49 am

    Obviously there’s a stench around the HSU.

    But the issue of actual public interest is the ethics of an MP – Craig Thomson.

    Is any evidence that Jackson has misappropriated union funds for her personal expenses? Has she made a public commitment that she decided not to meet?

    Jackson is involved in internal union positioning and politics.

    Thomson’s activities reek of something more serious and unsavoury.

  69. Bacchus permalink
    April 15, 2012 1:11 am

    Only because it suits your political agenda ToM. Thompson, Jackson, Williamson – you seek to politically differentiate – I wonder why? 😉

  70. el gordo permalink
    April 15, 2012 7:13 am

    On legal advice Craig said he is refusing to talk to police on HSU East because it has nothing to do with him.

    ‘The former union leader (Mr Jackson) also accused Labor MP Craig Thomson of trying to suggest he had impersonated him in a brothel, suggesting escort service charges were made by Mr Jackson and that he had paid $15,000 back to the union.

    “That had nothing to do with credit cards or hookers or anything,’’ he said. “There was no doubt he was trying to deflect allegations to me. I absolutely deny the misuse of any credit cards.”

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 15, 2012 9:54 am

    Let’s face facts Bacchus, all the discussion about Kathy Jackson is just a ‘look over there!’, now that there is not a pathetic shoplifter or Godwin Gretch about as a distraction.

    Thomson is a tainted MP and therefore taints the government.

    However this turns out for Jackson, she’ll still only be a union official, or a former one.

  72. Bacchus permalink
    April 15, 2012 10:20 am

    Not quite ToM. She is the one firing the shots on one side of the HSU “war.” She couldn’t possibly be less involved if she tried 🙄

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2012 10:32 am

    I saw Christine Milne on TV the other night …

    … apparently she, “doesn’t live in an economy, she lives in a society … ”

    Sounded so familiar, somehow …

    http://www.google.com.au/#q=Christine+Milne+I+live+in+a+society+not+an+economy&hl=en&prmd=imvnsou&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=XxaKT5TBKuXimAXG4ZjnCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQqAIoADAA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=2796a8c17a3f92f4&biw=1630&bih=888

  74. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2012 10:34 am

    ‘… apparently she, “doesn’t live in an economy, she lives in a society … ”’

    I’m still trying to work out how you can live in one and not the other. 😉

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 15, 2012 11:06 am

    Not quite ToM. She is the one firing the shots on one side of the HSU “war.” She couldn’t possibly be less involved if she tried…

    yes bacchus, anyone else that worked with the absolute enemy (HR Nicholls, Liberal Party) against their own organisation would be branded a turncoat and traitor. I suspect hat wouldn’t be tolerated in the corporate world.

    To the Libs, they are ‘whistleblowers’.

    Someone who has publicly thrown a bomb into the place to wreck it is not playing “internal union positioning and politics” and should not be rewarded, especially when she has been a recipient of the largesse herself.

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 15, 2012 12:28 pm

    But of course, as long as it’s a union being destroyed with the assistance of non-partisan players, St Kathy is a heroine to some.

    I suppose complete and utter control of the union for herself will be her reward – is that the bargain she struck?

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 15, 2012 12:31 pm

    sorry, make that partisan players, not non-partison please :red face:

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2012 12:46 pm

    I’m still trying to work out how you can live in one and not the other.

    ‘Cause she misquoted … ToSY …

    I prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 15, 2012 12:56 pm

    I prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy

    It’s better that the message is short and easy to sink in TB, sort of like…a slogan!
    Doesn’t matter if it’s not quite accurate, look how well it’s worked for Abbott & Co.

    “I live in a society, not an economy”

    “The future is green”

  80. April 15, 2012 1:08 pm

    “I live in a society, not an economy”

    Yes but if it wasn’t for things like:

    Cash (currency), and;
    the ability to trade cash for goods and services, and;
    the ability to earn cash in order to buy the things that we need…..

    We’d just be reduced to a feral society where the few who survive are those who are ugly and strong enough to bludgeon everyone else and simply take whatever they want…

    So in a way the evil money-go-around is actually necessary to provide for a comfortable and “safe” society where we can move relatively freely without fearing that we’re going to be assaulted at any moment.

    So you think we might have put a few people out of business today.

    That its all for naught.

    You’ve been doing that everyday for almost forty years Sam. And if this is all for naught then so is everything out there.

    Its just money; its made up.

    Pieces of paper with pictures on it so we don’t have to kill each other just to get something to eat.

    It’s not wrong. And it’s certainly no different today than its ever been.

    1637, 1797, 1819, 37, 57, 84, 1901, 07, 29, 1937, 1974, 1987-Jesus, didn’t that fuck up me up good-92, 97, 2000 and whatever we want to call this.

    It’s all just the same thing over and over; we can’t help ourselves.

    And you and I can’t control it, or stop it, or even slow it. Or even ever-so-slightly alter it.

    We just react. And we make a lot money if we get it right. And we get left by the side of the side of the road if we get it wrong.

    And there have always been and there always will be the same percentage of winners and losers.

    Happy foxes and sad sacks.

    Fat cats and starving dogs in this world.

    Yeah, there may be more of us today than there’s ever been.

    But the percentages-they stay exactly the same.

    ~ Jeremy Irons as John Tuld in the movie Margin Call

  81. April 15, 2012 1:13 pm

    Actually, it’s all in the delivery….

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 15, 2012 1:35 pm

    So in a way the evil money-go-around is actually necessary to provide for a comfortable and “safe” society where we can move relatively freely without fearing that we’re going to be assaulted at any moment.

    Best tell that to the sudanese, somalians and all the others who can’t feel safe at any time nor do receive any of this ‘comforting’ cash.

    Gotta go to work now.

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 15, 2012 3:40 pm

    Did Thomson discontinue some defamation action?

    Will there be prominent postings of ‘WE WERE WRONG!’ when the FWA report is published?

    I’ve heard it largely confirms the main suspicions.

    A bloke in the surf’s uncle knows the brother of a typist…

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2012 4:15 pm

    We’d just be reduced to a feral society where the few who survive are those who are ugly and strong enough to bludgeon everyone else and simply take whatever they want…

    Sounds very much like, The Robber Barons, to me!

    All societies need some sort of economy … simply sharing skills, knowledge and resources is an economic model …

    Its just that our modern society (ie people engaging in “life”) is swamped and overshadowed by “making” a quid (not necessarily “earning” a quid) as quickly and cheaply and with as little effort as possible and it’s even better if its at someone else’s expense …

    I like the concept of capitalism but its become no better than a cock fight!

  85. Meta permalink
    April 15, 2012 4:25 pm

    “Take care of yourself, Sam…”…

  86. el gordo permalink
    April 15, 2012 4:36 pm

    The important story of the day is that Barry is determined to get his very fast train.

  87. April 15, 2012 5:06 pm

    “Sounds very much like, The Robber Barons, to me!”

    You and your so-called “robber barons….”

    Don’t you know that Gina Rinehart worked damned hard to inherit everything she’s got today.

  88. el gordo permalink
    April 15, 2012 5:52 pm

    Gina is savvy.

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 15, 2012 5:55 pm

    Gina is a talented woman. What other “slothful, vindictive and devious baby elephant” could have achieved what she has?

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2012 6:05 pm

    Nuclear Bomb Gina!

    She should visit N Korea! Permanently!

    Wonder if Gina has her driving licence endorsed ICBM* …

    (Anyone born after 1970 willl Google ICBM … but as usual never admit it! 🙂

  91. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2012 6:21 pm

    Hope toiletboss’s mum and daughter had a nice day at the ‘G’. Too bad Adelaide got their butts kicked! 😯

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2012 6:44 pm

    You and your so-called “robber barons….”

    So-called … WTF you mean Willis!

    Yo turnin’ on me … bro’?

    Yo becomin’ dem Wannabe Robber Baron … man … mus’ be da circle yo movin’ in man …

    … very creepy crawlie …

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 16, 2012 8:35 pm

    Really, I don’t blame him, those she’s a little light on the surgical enhancements for my liking.

  94. JAWS permalink
    April 16, 2012 9:52 pm

    Ha ha ha ha ha

    Christine Milne wants to talk about the
    Greens economic policy. Now that can
    only benefit the ALP I would think.

    This could be like Pauline Hansonomics.
    The comedy show is about to begin

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2012 9:00 am

    And so it begins …

    “However Mr Gibson knows of the high standard I expect from my ministers and so he has tendered his resignation which I have accepted,” he said.

    They may have a landslide dictatorship government … but Noddy’ll, run out of people pretty quickly at this rate …

    … talk about due diligence … 😆

    http://www.news.com.au/national/campbell-newman-dumps-police-minister-david-gibson-over-driving-allegation/story-e6frfkvr-1226329531905

  96. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2012 9:35 am

    But, but ….. he wasn’t even convicted. Where is the presumption of innocence???? He hasn’t even made is detailed statement to parliament yet. It would have been 3 years’ work for Fair Wank Australia if he hadn’t done the right thing and resigned.

    Well did you evah? No allegation of dishonesty or corruption and he just up and resigned! What is the country coming to? Some people just don’t respect traditional Labor values.

    Better send a couple of Unionland goons around and have a quiet word: “Maaaate, if you go resigning at the drop of a hat you are really making it hard for the rest of us that actually get caught with our fingers in the till and our dicks in the doxy.”

  97. April 17, 2012 10:02 am

    “Christine Milne wants to talk about the Greens economic policy.”

    New post about Christine Milne online now…

  98. April 17, 2012 11:21 am

    This is an interesting read…

    “The Next Global Crash: Why You Should Fear the Commodities Bubble”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/the-next-global-crash-why-you-should-fear-the-commodities-bubble/255901/

  99. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 17, 2012 11:43 am

    Reb, there’s something in that, which is why I so strongly object to the pissing of the nation’s wealth up against the wall.

  100. JAWS permalink
    April 17, 2012 10:28 pm

    I beg to differ on that article actually. Prices are already
    down by upto 40 percent across the board. The article seemed
    like a general attack on herd mentality and who got rich fastest
    compared to dotcom booms.

    If there are still 700 million Chinese without electricity and 600
    million Indians the same I think the copper in warehouses at
    “this pause ” will find a buyer.

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2012 9:21 am

    Bailleiu has squibbed the investigation into child abuse by the clergy, by setting up a parliamentary committee. As if a group of politicians is going to push the Catholic Church for adequate answers.

    It’s a hopeless political stunt.

  102. Meta permalink
    April 18, 2012 9:38 am

    (While I’m meant to be commemorating something or another, part of me still quite likes the idea that ‘the most dangerous* man in Australia‘ is, “look[ing] forward to fresh green pursuits including writing, photography, music, occasional talks, bushwalking, and getting out with Paul to see Miranda Gibson who has been perched for 120 days 60 metres high, in defence of a giant tree facing destruction in central Tasmania”. Occasional talks might make a nice addition to free(d) speech(es), too; whether that amounts necessarily to discussion, or to debate, or to destruction (at the ballot box by The Heart Of The Nation).)

  103. Tony permalink
    April 18, 2012 10:10 am

    Overusers of linguistic cruthches like “in terms of” are now finishing their inane sentences with “if that makes sense”. 🙄

  104. Tony permalink
    April 18, 2012 10:11 am

    *crutches

  105. April 18, 2012 10:40 am

    BTW, I’m moving to Melbourne on Friday…

    Tosy will be safe, I’m moving to Southbank on “The Yaaarrra”

    “Yaaarra’s Edge” to be precise….

    (said with toffy nosed inflection)

  106. Tony permalink
    April 18, 2012 10:56 am

    😯

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2012 11:38 am

    Southbank is nice, if you like that kind of thing. Brisbane has a Southbank too, but the one there is tacky. It has a fake beach.

    Amazingly, Brisbane needs a fake beach because there are no beaches in the capital of the “Sunshine State”. It’s all swamp and mud.

  108. April 18, 2012 12:11 pm

    It’s not Southbank, it’s “Yawrrra’s Edge.”

    I’ve seen the Brisbane version of their so-called “Southbank”…

    It’s like a tepid sand pit in the middle of the city where bogan families congregate unashamedly in King Gees and terry towelling hats and unflattering swimwear. But nobody seems to notice seeing as that’s what the office workers typically wear to work too.

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 18, 2012 12:56 pm

    meta

    Thanks for that link to ‘the most dangerous* man in Australia. I thoroughly enjoyed the read, getting a sense of what BB has achieved and what has driven him personally and politically. Bob Brown’s contribution to australian politics and the australian environment is immense. Can’t help but be filled with admiration for the man’s personal integrity, strength of character and principled dealings, he truly is a decent and honourable man, a national treasure.

    Long may he live and if that is not possible, let’s clone him!

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2012 1:45 pm

    THE national workplace relations watchdog should be renamed because it has become an object of public ridicule, Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (ACCI) boss Peter Anderson says.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/fair-work-name-a-joke-says-acci-boss-peter-anderson/story-e6frfkur-1226331523496#ixzz1sMMyZj6O

    I think there may also be a large number of Commission members who object to “working for a slogan” rather than an institution.

    It really has just turned into a joke. It’s proven to be a sinecure for union hacks who are past their use by dates, and completely ineffective in investigating union matters with political sensitivity.

  111. April 18, 2012 1:45 pm

    Only in WA…. or I guess it could happen in QLD too….

    http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/country-pub-closed-over-lewd-acts-20120418-1x6jz.html

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2012 1:47 pm

    By the way, I think sections of the FWA investigation into Craig Thomson have leaked. The findings are that his explanations are inadequate.

    I’m expecting various apologies!

  113. Bacchus permalink
    April 18, 2012 2:48 pm

    I’m expecting various apologies!

    Who from, and what for? Craig Thompson? Julia Gillard? 😆

  114. Tony permalink
    April 18, 2012 3:30 pm

    (I’m a bit disappointed reb’s not moving to South Yarra. I had visions of a Farnham Report [Melbourne Chapter] (liquid-)lunch club. 😉 )

  115. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 18, 2012 3:30 pm

    No. Those two are completely shameless. Gillard’s form when answering hard questions is:

    “Well, I’ve given you the answer I’m going to give you.”

  116. April 18, 2012 3:36 pm

    “visions of a Farnham Report [Melbourne Chapter] (liquid-)lunch club.”

    That’s not a bad idea….

    After all it has occurred to me that Melbourne seems to be home to our most lucid commentators; Tom, ToSY, Snacty….

    Splatterbottom and Jaws could dial-in….

    And TB, providing he adheres to the dress code

  117. April 18, 2012 3:38 pm

    “Well, I’ve given you the answer I’m going to give you”

    and

    “Fair Work Australia are looking into that…”

  118. Meta permalink
    April 18, 2012 3:49 pm

    And yet, SB, the hard question(s) is non-apparent and un-asked, even in the retail retelling of it; a bit like an apology one might almost expect from, say, a couple of Unionland thugs, mayhaps.

  119. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2012 4:17 pm

    When the Fair Work Australia report on Thomson says he hasn’t adequately explained his cash withdrawals nor the use of his credit card for “adult services”, I hope those that have attacked me for merely suggesting that he “has a case to answer” will have the good grace to retract!

    What are the chances?

  120. el gordo permalink
    April 18, 2012 4:28 pm

    Swan is crowing.

  121. Tony permalink
    April 18, 2012 4:43 pm

    My vote for the venue of our first piss-up editorial meeting is Squire’s Loft, South Yarra.

  122. Bacchus permalink
    April 18, 2012 4:51 pm

    What are the chances?

    Zero, zilch and zip. Why? Because the way you’re framing the narrative doesn’t in any way match what we were saying, as is usual for you 🙄

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2012 4:53 pm

    Squires Loft looks nice. Do they have low carb, low fat, tofu, vegetarian?

  124. Tony permalink
    April 18, 2012 5:00 pm

    Not sure about tofu, but they do have steak and wine. 😯

  125. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 18, 2012 5:03 pm

    Meta, we’ve seen the colour copies of the credit card receipt and Thommo’s licence and the print out of his phone records, and we’ve heard Thommo promise a detailed explanation and then fail to deliver it and then decide not to co-operate with police. We’ve also seen the PM state and restate her complete confidence in Thommo and we’ve seen the ALP fork over a couple of hundred grand so Thommo can walk away from the case shortly before he was due to give sworn statements under oath. (If the ALP actually believed Thomson was innocent it would have been much cheaper for them to fund the rest of his case.)

    Now, people are entitled to make what they like of this situation. Certainly those interested in perpetuating a government hanging by a thread will scream loud and long about the presumption of innocence.

    My conclusion from all of this is that:

    • there is prima facie evidence (and strong evidence at that) of impropriety on Thomson’s part;

    • in the absence of any explanation from him (as promised) he is not a fit and proper person to be a member of parliament;

    • as Thomson is not prepared to give a credible explanation he should resign;

    • the government is desperate to hold on to power and is being, at best, wilfully blind to Thomson’s short-comings. Any one of the lower house Labor MPs could join with the opposition in passing a resolution requiring Thomson to explain himself to parliament. Therefore each of them individually is willfully participating in this debauching of our parliament;

    • the fact that it has taken 3 years for FWA to produce a report which the DPP found to be useless stinks to high heaven, but is completely consistent with the behaviour of the Labor mates network and the rotten way Labor destroys the lives of its enemies (for example in the Botany Council affair); and

    • there is something very rotten at the heart of Labor politics in this country.

    I get that Labor has loyal supporters who will still pretend that Labor is behaving correctly in all of this, that they will say that Thomson should be afforded the presumption of innocence and we should all sit on our hands until the next election at least so that Labor can retain power until then. I pity them. Despite this pity I have for the true believers who so loyally shred their credibility for the sake of the party, I am utterly sickened (and deeply saddened) by the whole situation.

    Obviously the Labor shills are so detached from ordinary standards of common sense and decency that they can no longer think rationally. This is not about whether Thomson should be afforded the presumption of innocence or whether he is ultimately found guilty or whether he gets off on a technicality. It is about whether a person who uses their credit card to visit brothels and to withdraw large sums of cash from ATMs (in a manner which the investigating accountants described as the very antithesis of transparency and accountability) should remain a member of parliament or whether Labor holding on to power is more important than public confidence in and respect for the institution itself.

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2012 5:09 pm

    I noticed the steak and wine. Which is all very well for those who enjoy that type of thing.

    Tofu goes well with a light fruity lexia.

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2012 5:16 pm

    Well Bacchus, I consider that my comments were accurate and informed. Those who were critical will realise that my judgment about the behaviour of Thomson is reasonably well reflected in the Fair Work Report.

    Retractions are in order.

  128. Tony permalink
    April 18, 2012 5:20 pm

    “Nature knows no indecencies; man invents them.” ~ Mark Twain

  129. Tony permalink
    April 18, 2012 5:32 pm

    Good summary of the Thomson affair by Splatterbottom. I’ve been careful with my comments on this topic, preferring to wait and see. But Geoffrey Robertson’s declaration that a member of parliament should be suspended when “credible allegations” are made against them is a position I can agree with.

  130. el gordo permalink
    April 18, 2012 5:39 pm

    I also support the proposition that Thomson should be suspended until the matter is cleared up….with great haste I suspect.

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2012 5:46 pm

    Tofu goes well with a light fruity lexia.

    FMD … why would I want to dine ‘n’ wine with you bunch of wannabe wankers …

    As for, sreb’s, dress code FMDA … I left the silly, flowery, necktie and white shirt shit behind 25 years ago … talk about living in the past …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Good summary of the Thomson affair by Splatterbottom

    No its not, its a summary of all the misguided right wing OPINIONS thatbweve been bored with here and at Gutter Trash for the last three fkn years …

    I might remind you that the government “hanging by a thread” now would have been buggered if the Indies had sided with Abbott …

    bumbomb simply burbles ad infinitum the same crap that ToMMy does ad infinitum …

    Every fkn thread on this blog has become devoted to the Craig Thomson Affair(s) …

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2012 5:53 pm

    I also support the proposition that Thomson should be suspended until the matter is cleared up….with great haste I suspect.

    Who gives a shit whether you support ToSY, bumbomb, ToMMy, sreb and James … I can understand everyone except the latter having a misguided understanding of legal process … but I shudder to think what sort of lawyer doesn’t understand basic principles of our legal system …

    If Thomson is found guilty of a crime* … then so be it … the government WON”T fall before the next election … yer all blowin’ in the wind … because you obviously don’t understand what will happen IF the man is eventually charged …

    (*Were I conducting an investigation I would be seriously surprised if there were not some elements of fraud involved)

  133. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 18, 2012 5:56 pm

    I might remind you that the government “hanging by a thread” now would have been buggered if the Indies had sided with Abbott … “

    And so would the Indies. Next year they are gone and they know it. A few more months salary is all Oakshot and Windsor are interested in.

    I would think that most MP’s with the innuendo surrounding Thomson would have been suspended by now.

  134. April 18, 2012 5:59 pm

    RARE AND UNDISCOVERED!!!!!

    From the Farnham Report exclusive vaults, this rare VIDEO PERFORMANCE of TB QUEENSLAND…!!!!

  135. April 18, 2012 6:03 pm

    Eleven bucks for a “garden salad?”

    Fuck that!

  136. Tony permalink
    April 18, 2012 6:04 pm

    You’re right, mister grumpy TB. Geoffrey Robertson would have no idea about the law, either. Besides, it’s quite obvious he’s just a shill for the right-wingnutjobz.

  137. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 18, 2012 6:05 pm

    “Every fkn thread on this blog has become devoted to the Craig Thomson Affair(s) …”

    Because people really don’t like it when Labor pisses in their face like this.

    This affair is a weeping sore on the body politic in this country. Decent people will not shut-up about this scandal until the government decides to do the honourable thing.

    There is not a skerrick of a doubt that if the parties of the protagonists were reversed the barrackers would be piling on, not making excuses for sleaze, corruption and power-mad politicking by a grotesquely compromised government.
    Is blaming the independents the best you can do TB? They are hopelessly compromised already. They all know that come the next election their pampered positions will no longer exist. Somehow I expected better of Labor. What a complete fucking idiot I was to do that.

  138. Tony permalink
    April 18, 2012 6:08 pm

    “Eleven bucks for a “garden salad?”

    Fuck that!”

    The trick is to order the ribs for entree, and leave the salad to the tofu-munchers.

  139. April 18, 2012 6:11 pm

    TB, shouldn’t, at the very least, Thomson agree to be interviewed by the police…?

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2012 6:14 pm

    I have just recieved an email with some very sobering news … it is so bad that I shall have to give you the information a bit at a time

    WARNING!

    This material may offend some viewers!

    10 Catholic Priests were killed in a road accident.

    At the Pearly Gates, St Peter , says ”If any of you are Paedophiles you can fuck off down to Hell.”

    Nine of them start to walk away, when St Peter calls out, ”And take this deaf bastard with you.”

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2012 6:17 pm

    TB, shouldn’t, at the very least, Thomson agree to be interviewed by the police…?

    Of course he should … you lot obviously read my posts but you don’t want to accept the legal system even after its explained to you …

    As soon as you target the messenger … there is a problem … too much playing the poster not the content …

    bumbomb, as much as admits that when he prattles about who cares if we have to have evidence!

  142. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 18, 2012 6:26 pm

    ” who cares if we have to have evidence!”

    There is plenty of evidence TB, not least in the sworn affidavits tendered to the court in his defamation trial. And no explanation from Thomson. Only the lie that he would make a detailed explanation.

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2012 6:56 pm

    There’s been a trial????????????

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Another “bit”

    A local Pakistani won $3 million on the lottery last week.
    After sharing it between members of his family they each walked away with $4.50.

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2012 7:33 pm

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2012/04/C-thompson-file-audit-report1.pdf

    This appears to be part of the FWA report into Thomson.

    we are prepared to conclude…transactions are not appropriate expenditure

    Then follows 26 airfares used by Thomson’s then wife, but which were paid by a union credit card.

    Adult Services… are demonstrably not proper expenditures on a union credit card

    Findings…

    ”We are not satisfied that the mere fact that a service was recorded on the cardholder statement on a date when Thomson was not in NSW is conclusive proof that the service was not incurred by him., having regard to the not uncommon practice of credit card transactions being processed on days following…

    We are unable to reconcile Thomson’s denials with the accounting procedures said to have been in operation during the period.

    We are satisfied that Thomson withdrew the cash…

    This practice is the antithesis of transparency and accountability”

    And that’s just stuff on 5 pages of the report! What about the other 1095 pages??!!

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2012 7:43 pm

    Testing…

    Now I can’t post. That’ll cheer up a few!

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2012 7:45 pm

    Maybe it’s the link that’s the problem…. however extracts of FWA report below…

    we are prepared to conclude…transactions are not appropriate expenditure

    Then follows 26 airfares used by Thomson’s then wife, but which were paid by a union credit card.

    Adult Services… are demonstrably not proper expenditures on a union credit card

    Findings…

    ”We are not satisfied that the mere fact that a service was recorded on the cardholder statement on a date when Thomson was not in NSW is conclusive proof that the service was not incurred by him., having regard to the not uncommon practice of credit card transactions being processed on days following…

    We are unable to reconcile Thomson’s denials with the accounting procedures said to have been in operation during the period.

    We are satisfied that Thomson withdrew the cash…

    This practice is the antithesis of transparency and accountability”

    And that’s just stuff on 5 pages of the report! What about the other 1095 pages??!!

  147. April 18, 2012 8:19 pm

    “We are satisfied that Thomson withdrew the cash…”

    Oh but he’s innocent cry the Gillard/Thomson apologists!!!

  148. JAWS permalink
    April 18, 2012 10:20 pm

    Bikes are also known to refuse to give police interviews.

    Just another PR screw up from the ALP.

    Or from Julia’s perspective

    “I will hang onto power for as long as I can………………….fuck the 100 years plus of Labor history and fuck the “Light on the Hill” shit………this is all about the “us” as in

    “we are us”.

    “If we the party become extinct then that’s someone else’s prob”

  149. JAWS permalink
    April 18, 2012 10:24 pm

    “A local Pakistani won $3 million on the lottery last week.
    After sharing it between members of his family they each walked away with $4.50.”

    He must work at a very big MacDonalds

  150. Bacchus permalink
    April 18, 2012 10:41 pm

    Oh but he’s innocent cry the Gillard/Thomson apologists!!!

    You too reb? 😯

    Who TF has said anyone is innocent? Who TF has said anyone “doesn’t have a case to answer”? (least of all Kathy Jackson, Michael Williamson, Craig Thompson). Who TF says that “leak” carries any more veracity than anything else that’s been posted without any substantiation in the last couple of years? (It may well turn out to be accurate, BUT it’s NOT EVIDENCE.)

    Mr Robertson’s opinion may well be correct also, but without the mechanism to give effect to such thoughts, they’re nothing more than good ideas 🙄

    FFS, it seems only TB on this site is astute enough to comprehend the requirements and existing status of Australian law and precedent wrt to this crap.

    IF and or WHEN these allegations are given a proper hearing, then we’ll get closer to the truth of these matters – until then, the barrackers are merely playing politics for obvious (but futile) reasons…

  151. JAWS permalink
    April 18, 2012 11:21 pm

    Bacchus you know full well that everything you espouse from your
    mountain of righteousness is being delayed to give this disgusting
    Government it’s iron lung

  152. Tony permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:53 am

    “Mr Robertson’s opinion may well be correct also, but without the mechanism to give effect to such thoughts, they’re nothing more than good ideas”

    The mechanism would be the same as that used in the British parliament . . .

    TONY JONES: Can I just interrupt you? Do you have a view as to how the politicians should…

    GEOFFREY ROBERTSON: I do. We have had this in Britain where a lot of MPs have been accused of fiddling expenses and so on. There is now something that’s common to all parties, not a party political point, but when a member of Parliament has credible suspicions raised against him of a serious criminal offence, the party should suspend them from membership immediately. That means that they are entitled to work for their constituents, they are entitled to come into the House and vote, but they don’t have a whipped vote, they wouldn’t have the Labor whip, he could vote for your Party and cross the house.

    NICOLA ROXON: That seems unlikely.

    CHRISTOPHER PYNE: That would be unusual.

    TONY JONES: He would go to cross benches in this case.

    CHRISTOPHER PYNE: That hasn’t even happened in this case.

    GEOFFREY ROBERTSON: No, that’s why I think the proper thing for the ALP to do is to suspend him because that, of course, prevents it from being tarnished by anything. If he is convicted ultimately, you obviously expel him and he goes to jail for several years. If he is acquitted, or if, in indeed, on examination of the evidence it is discovered, as he is saying, he was the victim of a plot, you take him back.

    TONY JONES: Let’s put that point to the Attorney General. I am interested to hear if the British Parliament can do this, why not the Australian Parliament? Surely, it would take a lot of political pressure off the government.

    NICOLA ROXON: I think it is an option in theory and maybe as things develop… Don’t forget all of us have been frustrated about how long the Fair Work Australia process has taken. It has become a highly politicised situation in a Parliament where the numbers are very tight. That’s why it has been played so hard, I think, by the Opposition. Fair enough, that’s how the numbers are. But we haven’t had actually any content. There has been swirling allegations, no one has the report, no one actually is aware what is being alleged in detail. So I think…

    TONY JONES: One of the reasons for that is the Prime Minister refuses to look at the report.

    NICOLA ROXON: That’s not right. The reason for that is Fair Work Australia has not provided that information. It is not public. It is not released.

    TONY JONES: But it is going to be released to a Senate committee so it begs the question why the Prime Minister couldn’t look at it in advance of that?

    NICOLA ROXON: You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say you should let a process run and it shouldn’t be politically interfered with and then say she should interfere and take this particular action.

    TONY JONES: We have heard that argument. I’m gonna go back one step. You said in theory you could suspend him. That would actually not be a bad way of dealing with this.

    NICOLA ROXON: I think the truth is that if these allegations were right, they are very serious. I don’t think any member of the Labor Party or the union movement thinks it is good if there are allegations people have misused union funds.

    TONY JONES: Geoffrey Robertson is talking about the position one takes when there are credible allegations. Not when they have been examined and gone through the court process. In other words, the British politicians have decided “Let’s suspend the people who are under suspicion”. Wouldn’t that be a good idea from your point of view politically?

    NICOLA ROXON: Theoretically it is. I don’t think they’re strictly…

    CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Why won’t they?

    NICOLA ROXON: I don’t think there are strictly comparisons. Geoffrey may have plenty of examples. Most of the examples we have seen in Britain have been clear misuse of funds.

    GEOFFREY ROBERTSON: No, no, people like Peter Hain and Denis MacShane, very top politicians, when an allegation is made of fiddling expenses or whatever, they are suspended and, of course, they are returned back as soon as they have the allegations dismissed.

    CHRISTOPHER PYNE: The ACTU has seen fit to suspend the Health Services Union.

    TONY JONES: So you’re saying the principle has been established?

    CHRISTOPHER PYNE: The ACTU has seen fit to suspend the Health Services Union and yet the Prime Minister continues to say at press conferences she is yet to see any evidence that would convince her she needs to take any action.

    NICOLA ROXON: The other process…

    CHRISTOPHER PYNE: He hasn’t even given a statement to the Parliament.

    NICOLA ROXON: The other process that obviously happens in some situations, too, is a person of their own accord would do that.

    CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Sure.

    NICOLA ROXON: “While allegations are under way, I will stand down”.

    TONY JONES: Would you like to see him do that?

    NICOLA ROXON: Well, I think it is a very personal matter. We haven’t had the tradition that they’ve had in Britain.

    TONY JONES: Would you like to see him do that personally?

    NICOLA ROXON: This is an important thing. I will answer that. But in Australia the tradition has been in the Howard Government, Federal Police investigations, members were not stood down, they were not cast out of the Party. Maybe that creates an impression all Australian politicians…

    GEOFFREY ROBERTSON: You are not casting them out, you are saying “You are suspended until the serious matter is cleared up”.

    TONY JONES: I would like to hear your response to would you like to see him do that?

    NICOLA ROXON: It would take the political heat out of it but I am not sure it is fair when the sort of hysteria created by the Opposition…

    GEOFFREY ROBERTSON: They couldn’t create it if you suspended him.

  153. Tony permalink
    April 19, 2012 5:00 am

    GEOFFREY ROBERTSON: Alright, he does have a right to silence. It is not at all for Julia Gillard or Christopher Pyne to say he should go to the police. The police should go to him.

    CHRISTOPHER PYNE: They have.

    GEOFFREY ROBERTSON: They should have gone to him three years ago when the ‘Sydney Morning Herald’ first made these allegations. Fair Work Australia is obviously not fit for purpose. They should have gone to the police with any evidence they obtained.

  154. Tony permalink
    April 19, 2012 6:08 am

    ‘Britain may have enough offshore shale gas to catapult it into the top ranks of global producers, energy experts now believe. UK offshore reserves of shale gas could exceed one thousand trillion cubic feet (tcf), compared to current rates of UK gas consumption of 3.5 tcf a year, or five times the latest estimate of onshore shale gas of 200 trillion cubic feet. “There will be a lot more offshore shale gas and oil resources than onshore,” Nigel Smith, subsurface geologist and geophysicist at the British Geological Survey (BGS) said. UK offshore reserves could be five to 10 times as high as onshore, he said.’

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/04/17/uk-britain-shale-reserves-idUKBRE83G0KS20120417

  155. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 8:08 am

    You know one of the worst things about this is the low expectation of standards it sets for future governments.

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 8:55 am

    That’s interesting Bacchus, but it doesn’t accord with my recollection of various exchanges.

    My clearest recollection is that I’ve said that Thomson has a case to answer and that on the balance of probabilities, he’s committed the alleged actions.

    It seems FWA has reached the same conclusion.

    I also recall a range of people saying we should wait for the FWA Report. It is a leaked version, but really, does anyone think this isn’t the genuine article?
    ——————–
    By the way, if TB would prefer to nominate a more interesting discussion point, I’m entirely happy to participate.

  157. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2012 9:06 am

    There is nuthin’ more interesting than the Thomson Affair.

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 10:22 am

    My clearest recollection is that I’ve said that Thomson has a case to answer and that on the balance of probabilities, he’s committed the alleged actions.

    And what qualifications do you have to become judge jury and executioner … are yo speaking from some level of higher authority that the rest of us are not privy too ..?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    RE: The “hypothetical” put by, Robertson, in, ToSY’,s posts above (and I haven’t read the full transcript) … you will find that Roberstson is referring to Pommie pollies with their sticky fingers in Parliamentary funds AFTER election …

    IF, Thomson, has a case to answer, then it would be under totally different circumstances …

    Having said that … I do think that Parliamentary Standing Orders could include such a concept … BUT I bet I know who would immediately say NO!

    Just remember that under the process suggested by, Robertson … during the AWB Affair the Prime Minister would have been suspended along with his Foreign Minister, Trade
    Minister and Defence Minister … not a pretty sight …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Baccy,

    … thanks for you kind words … I suspect both of us are frustrated in what IS … ‘tothers are frustrated in what they would LIKE …

    In fact considering, eggs, advice to me re jury service … either he should know better or maybe the jury on his case got it wrong …

    I’m also disappointed that, James, chose to jump on the politically motivated bandwagon … rather than offer some professionally considered comments …

  159. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2012 10:31 am

    ‘…either he should know better or maybe the jury on his case got it wrong …’

    Could you flesh that out a bit?

  160. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 10:49 am

    TB: “There’s been a trial????????????”

    See Craig Thomson v Fairfax Media Publications Pty Ltd NSW Supreme Court Matter No. 2010/00056481. The matter was part heard. The reason we got to see the driver’s licence, credit card receipt and phone records is because they were annexed to an affidavit filed in open court. Of course when it came to the crunch and Thomson had to answer questions under oath, the ALP decided that they would pay out a couple of hundred grand of party funds to make it go away. This attitude seems similar to Thomson’s decision not to co-operate with the police.

    Bacchus: “IF and or WHEN these allegations are given a proper hearing, then we’ll get closer to the truth of these matters”

    Truth 1: Thomson’s card was used at the brothel with a signature that looked very much like Thomson’s. The person using the card looked like the photo of Thomson on the licence.

    Truth 2: Thomson’s phone was used to contact the same brothel on the same night from the Central Coast.

    Truth 3: Thompson’s phone was used to call the numbers ALP persons in the hours before the call to the brothel and in the early hours of the morning after the visit to the brothel.

    Truth 4: At no stage did Thomson report his phone or licence or credit card missing.

    Truth 5: Thomson approved the charges on the credit card without questioning them.

    Truth 6: Thomson promised a year ago to make a detailed statement to address these issues. He hasn’t.

    Truth 7: Gillard says she has complete confidence in Thomson and will not require him to explain himself to parliament.

    Now its not as though I don’t appreciate the position of the true believers, Bacchus. If I had long ago stopped thinking rationally and adopted as my sole criterion for judgment of all matters political the mantra of “ALP good, Coalition evil”, if I lived my entire life with my head in the dark pungent anus of the ALP machine or if I believed that power was everything and truth irrelevant then of course I would be saying everything in my power to justify the ALP no matter how ridiculous, disingenuous and stupid it made me appear.

    But I am not like that. I hate political sleaze from all sides. I hated John Howard with a passion. And I hate being taken for a fool by the ALP. If you think for a moment that the Australian people enjoy Labor pissing in their faces and that they love seeing their country treated like a Unionland fiefdom then you are very much mistaken. The retribution for Labor at the next polls will be dreadful, no matter what reservations people have about Abbott.

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 10:50 am

    Really TB?

    How does anything I’ve said qualify as an “execution”? There has been plenty of evidence, Thomson has chose not to reply to it. Reasonable people are entitled to draw conclusions about his ethics in those circumstances.

    His ethics, transparency, honesty, are all legitimate areas for comment, because he, as a politician, has presented himself as a community representative/leader.

    No matter how much ALP supporters would prefer it wasn’t the case – Thomson is tainted, and he’s tainted the government that relies on his support.

    That isn’t executing Thomson, it’s an entirely legitimate point.

  162. April 19, 2012 10:59 am

    what splatterbottom said!

  163. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2012 11:58 am

    The markets look flat and the punters say it will stay that way all day as they wait for direction.

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 1:21 pm

    ToMMy … the point remains that its not up to you … there are many points that I can easily concede …

    (eg Truth 5: Thomson approved the charges on the credit card without questioning them.)

    Any manager who did that under me would have been trounced on the spot!

    As for the other “Truths” … they are all arguable by a decent barrister …

  165. April 19, 2012 1:26 pm

    TB – did you like the video of your rare performance above….?

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 1:27 pm

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/p/story-fn7x8me2-1226333187972
    “COLLINGWOOD fans are more likely to lie to sell a car than any other footy supporter.
    And 50 per cent of AFL followers wouldn’t feel comfortable buying a used car from a Pie either, a consumer vehicle research survey has found.”

    Amazingly, this is considered “news”. As if people wouldn’t already know this.

    It’s like saying St Kilda supporters are more likely to be found p!55ed in a singles bar.
    ———————
    I realise it’s not up to me. It’s up to the voting public and/or the parliament and/or the police. The point is that blogs such as this one exist for people to express a judgement about political and ethical issues, and on balance a reasonable judgment is that he did what has been alleged.

    That seems to be the judgement of FWA too.

    I honestly don’t understand why you, Bacchus, Tom R and various others have such a difficulty with this.

  167. Bacchus permalink
    April 19, 2012 1:47 pm

    Reasonable people are entitled to draw conclusions about his ethics in those circumstances.

    Obviously that rules you out then 😛

    The point is that blogs such as this one exist for people to express a judgement about political and ethical issues… I honestly don’t understand why you, Bacchus, Tom R and various others have such a difficulty with this.

    Quite simply ToM, because that’s not what you’re doing at all. If you were to merely express an opinion that Craig Thompson has done everything that has been alleged, I would have no problem with that at all. You know what they say about opinions 😉

    You take it to the next level and add in an opinion, based solely on your opinion of his guilt, as to what should happen next. He should be sacked, he should stand down, he should make a comprehensive statement in a time frame of your choosing, no matter what has changed in the meantime….

    TB, Tom R and I have never said he’s not guilty or that he doesn’t have a case to answer – quite possibly he does, but that’s where we draw the line. Rational discussion can really go no further because none of us actually know the “truth.” It’s all just mindless conjecture over and over and over and fkn over 🙄

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 2:28 pm

    TB – did you like the video of your rare performance above….?

    My first reaction … holy, fucking, shit!

    You’d better tell the TF Reporters that’s NOT fkn ME! 🙄

    Where do you find ’em?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I honestly don’t understand why you, Bacchus, Tom R and various others have such a difficulty with this.

    Speaking for myself … I don’t understand why you and a variety of “others” don’t understand the machinations and due processes of the law … after all the basics have been around since around 1068 … Common Law was introduced into Britain by William the Conqueror … and served the majority of Anglo-Saxon-Norman founded societies throughout the intervening years … according to my trusty, Crazy Clarks calculator, that’s 944 years …

    What’s really disturbing is that the died in the wool, born to rule, Liberal barrackers just don’t get it …

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 2:28 pm

    Bacchus, I’ve continually used the terms such as “judgment on the balance of probabilities” and “a conclusion a reasonable person could draw” etc. Also I’ve observed that in a decent company he’d be out of a job if he declined to explain his actions following serious allegations of breaches of ethics, transparency or honesty.

    All are reasonable judgments, and that’s why I’m entirely at a loss as to why my comments have been so vigorously attacked.

    FWA seems to make findings consistent with mine, even though it’s taken them years.

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 2:37 pm

    But Geoffrey Robertson’s declaration that a member of parliament should be suspended when “credible allegations” are made against them is a position I can agree with…

    Me too.

    [GR]That means that they are entitled to work for their constituents, they are entitled to come into the House and vote, but they don’t have a whipped vote, they wouldn’t have the Labor whip, he could vote for your Party and cross the house…

    What is a whipped vote? How does that effect the parliament? Would it also mean independence of party solidarity [a bonus!]?

    I wonder if we will ever hear the truth of the HSU matter. Did FWA take so long to investigate because a certain individual having a personal relationship with one of the investigated had been concerned with ensuring they be protected from any fallout?

    According to some, st. kathy was not the one who started the investigation into the HSU and she has been just as deeply involved in the corruption as the others. IMO she can’t have been in the thick of things for so many years without being a part of the corruption herself [even if that is simply by turning a blind eye to the others].

    http://denisevans.com/2011/08/31/the-house-of-cards/

    …This seems a bit close to home when your partner works for the government body that’s entrusted to investigate the union of which you’re the leader, without fear or favour.
    The #4 branch of the union is made up of health professionals and they took up a petition to present to F.W.A with the required 250 signatures to launch an investigation one month before any move by Jackson. .Jackson’s claim to have alerted F.W.A first is just not true…

    http://denisevans.com/2011/10/02/kathy-jackson/

    …In April of 2009 the secretary of the H.S.U #4 branch Dr Rosemary Kelly disgusted with what she saw as the excesses of members of the federal executive arranged a petition of her members which included health professionals working in the hospital system.The petition directed to Fair Work Australia alleged that members of the executive had used the services of prostitutes, fine dining and the purchase of personal goods on the unions credit cards…

    …In 1995 the then secretary of the Victorian branch of the union Jeff Jackson entered into an agreement with the unions accountant denis ….to have it shown on the books that he would only be paid for a 4 day week and the 5th day should show that Kathy Jackson nee Koukavaous would be paid as a consultant for the extra day
    Jeff and Kathy had been involved in a relationship after Jackson had left his wife Donna and her two children .
    Media reports indicate that this arrangement was some sort of tax rort to minimise their taxable income .Lets be blunt it was more than a tax rort,it was a blatent attempt to minimise the family maintenance payments Jackson had agreed to pay to his wife and children . Kathy Jackson was implicet in the rort…

  171. April 19, 2012 2:42 pm

    “It’s all just mindless conjecture over and over and over and fkn over”

    And what pray tell, is wrong with that…??

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 2:45 pm

    Bacchus, I’ve continually used the terms such as “judgment on the balance of probabilities” and “a conclusion a reasonable person could draw” etc. …

    Yes, you have used the terms … but you obviously haven’t applied them … and anyway its a court that applies the concepts of duty of care, balance of probablities (if there are criminal charges then it will be beyond reasonable doubt” and reasonableness … but its up to a court to decide — not you …

    All are reasonable judgments, and that’s why I’m entirely at a loss as to why my comments have been so vigorously attacked.

    And that’s the point … its not up to YOU to JUDGE … its for the police (or DPP) to charge and for the courts to decide the case (ie judge) …

    The point we are trying to make is that NONE of us – Bacchus, TomR, or myself have said he is innocent or guilty … (even though we have said there seems to be a strong case against, Thomson) …

    You have found Thomson GUILTY … with no EVIDENCE … evidence isn’t just an affidavit or a witness’ word … even an affidavit can be challenged and overturned … evidence is presented and challenged and proven, bit by bit, to be either true, false or undecided (the latter, BTW, will generally go in favour of the accused, because of the concept of “balance of probability” and “innocent until proved guilty”) …

  173. Meta permalink
    April 19, 2012 2:49 pm

    (But, but, ToM; the larger, and as yet overlooked, scandal in the proferred leaked FWA Report extract thingie is that the FWA seems to have been operating “under instructions”. Who, pray tell, was “instructing” a presumably independent FWA, and for what nefarious, (mis)informative purposes?

    Otherwise, the Hypothetical hypotenuses presented by Geoffrey Robertson Esq. probably provide some virtual jurist-critic with fertile grounds, and a fertile imagination, to toy around with ‘law and (behavioural) economics’ appreciation(s) of the ‘thing(s) in question(s)’, in part(s) or in whole(s), and per various rearrangements of timing(s).)

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 2:52 pm

    TB, it was Henry II (the Lawgiver) who introduced the common law to England:

    In 1154, Henry II institutionalised common law by creating a unified court system ‘common’ to the country through incorporating and elevating local custom to the national level, ending local control, eliminating arbitrary remedies, and reinstating a jury system of citizens sworn on oath to investigate criminal accusations and civil claims. Judges of the realm went on regular journeys throughout the country bringing the King’s justice to every citizen. Their aim was that there should be a common system of law throughout the land, hence the laws became known as the common law.

    Interestingly one of the evils Henry sought to remedy was prevarication and the dragging out of cases:

    As can be seen by the case of Battle Abbey, the legal system in the early years of Henry II’s reign left much to be desired.

    If the defendant (as in the Battle case) was determined to prevaricate, the case would be dragged out interminably until it could be brought before the King.

    Sound familiar?

    Moe importantly the issue here is the way Thomson and Gillard have handled the allegations. Leaving these very credible allegations unanswered for so long damages the institution of parliament and destroys the credibility of this government.

    Thomson had every opportunity to answer the allegations in his case. It would have cost the ALP a whole lot less than $200k for him to do so. Given that he ducked that opportunity to give evidence on oath, and given that he has failed to explain himself to parliament as he promised to do, ore even co-operate with the police investigation, and given that the best Gillard can do is to mouth her complete confidence in Thomson (presumably while at the same time holding her nose), it is more than reasonable for people to feel they are conned by crooks and power-grubbing charlatans. Chicanery, not justice, is being seen to be done here.

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 3:04 pm

    ”You have found Thomson GUILTY … with no EVIDENCE …

    That is simply untrue TB.

    1. I haven’t said he’s guilty of a criminal offence. That’s a matter for the courts and people are found not guilty for a range of reasons. Sometimes they’re entirely innocent, sometimes there is a tainted process, sometimes it’s that there is an obscure technicality.
    2. Whether the material in the public domain would satisfy a criminal prosecution is a matter for prosecutors firstly, then a court.
    3. We’re entitled to from a view about the material, particularly in the context of an MP who has not met his commitments on transparency and explanation.
    4. FWA appears to have reached a conclusion that is similar to the one I’ve expressed.

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 3:07 pm

    But no one has provided commentary on the report that people wouldn’t buy a car from a Brisbane Broncos Collingwood supporter.

  177. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 3:19 pm

    All are reasonable judgments, and that’s why I’m entirely at a loss as to why my comments have been so vigorously attacked…

    Because you’ve been so rabid one-eyed about it, declaring guilt before any investigation has been completed [you may well be right]. You also wanted to accuse Gillard of political interference in the matter when there is an investigator in the FWA who could very well be interfering for political and personal purposes. Then there is the close relationships of HM Opposition interfering with things [HR Nicholls Society lawyer working for a union exec who should also be under investigation, has Tony Abbott pawprints all over that one] It has got very murky and very very political.

    You are not saying anything that I don’t also share…but there are always much more to things than are publicly known and reported. I prefer to wait for the result of the investigation before forming an opinion based on hearsay, gossip and media outrage.

    As TB says too, Thomson’s alleged corruption was prior to his entry into parliament, so they are unrelated to his current parliamentary duties and performance. We are waiting to see if he is going to be charged with a crime aren’t we? I assume that he would not be chucked out of parliament until a court case has been completed and he is found guilty, which would take another couple of years [or more if the AWB execs are anything to go by]. So, I really can’t see how the Thomson saga will give the outcome of an election any sooner than already mandated.

    You only seem to want to have one person hung for the crimes as well. You don’t scream about the immorality, ethics and corruption of anyone else in the executive. I think the whole HSU executive of the time must have been just as guilty and that there was an entrenched system of largesse with members money.

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 3:32 pm

    Given that he ducked that opportunity to give evidence on oath, and given that he has failed to explain himself to parliament as he promised to do, ore even co-operate with the police investigation…

    And why should he after the hammering he has taken by the Coalition, the media and everybody else? I would dig my heels in after all of that viciousness too [the fkn granting of pairs, the Dr cert saga], I wouldn’t give them the satisfaction either, the attacks are very personal and very nasty. And we all know that he is caught in the middle of the numbers game, Labor won’t let him do anything that will possibly change the numbers in the house.

    I suggest that Thomson has been under the most extraordinary of pressures and stresses and every day has thought seriously about ending his own life. Have any of you ever thought about that [not that you would care anyway]?

  179. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 3:38 pm

    He’s a bloke who put 26 airfare for his wife on his union credit card. Paid for by poorly paid hospital workers. But you’re flat out defending him!

  180. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2012 3:54 pm

    TB…did you get jury duty?

  181. April 19, 2012 3:59 pm

    If it looks like a dog & barks like a dog…then it’s probably another delicious shit sandwich from the ALP’s shit sandwich buffet. A delightful buffet, gorged upon by wishful adherents…but wisely avoided by the non-aligned & people who can detect the underlying stench.

  182. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 3:59 pm

    “Because you’ve been so rabid one-eyed about it”

    This cuts both ways. Decent folk are absolutely livid about all forms of political sleaze, including where you have a grub like Thomson propping a government who is unwilling even to require him to explain himself and instead merely affirms their complete confidence in him.

  183. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:02 pm

    He’s a bloke who put 26 airfare for his wife on his union credit card. Paid for by poorly paid hospital workers. But you’re flat out defending him!

    I don’t defend his actions at all, I await the investigation results. Sure I don’t think highly of him. He’s not the first to misappropriate funds and he won’t be the last, some politicians have done it while in parliament. You keep trying to mount a moral argument as if funds misused from poorly paid people is worse than that of any others. Stealing is stealing, no matter where it comes from. I am appalled at the way he has been mercilessly attacked though as if he is less than human. It is the sort of hysteria and baying for blood that you have been guilty of that causes someone to commit suicide. Will you be happy then, will you finally feel vindicated, will that get the members their money back?

    If it were up to you the guy would have been lynched at the nearest tree with only trial by media and politics. You surely must be a believer in capital punishment, a system where everybody loses in human dignity and compassion.

    For all their faults I have not known Labor [correct me if I am wrong] to go in as hard on the person as the conservatives do. Like a pack of hungry wolves salivating for a kill.

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:13 pm

    sp, agree it was Henry who “institutionalised” Common Law ie wrote down precedent … and introduced the jury system, and made it national rather than local … ie he formalised a process that the people understood and already used …

    Common Law had in fact been around long before 1066 (as Saxon Law) but it was William who instructed his magistrates to administer the law “common” to the people “across the land” … prior to that it was applied by local landowners … thus any “common law” that was currently applied in each shire, riding and city throughout England …

    … it was a means of “winning” over a defeated nation (we would call it part of a “hearts and minds” program these days — the Doomsday Book of course then shattered any goodwill … )

    Common Law is generally accepted to have been administered by “the crown” after William took the throne (prior to that it, was applied by local landowners) … Henry simply built on the concept — as had William BTW) …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    He’s a bloke who put 26 airfare for his wife on his union credit card. Paid for by poorly paid hospital workers. But you’re flat out defending him!

    That’s the BIG difference you are attacking the man … we are defending the legal system …

    … I don’t follow aerial ping-pong, as you know, but all codes have “fair” teams and “dirty” teams (the former play the game and the latter the man) … I don’t know which team you follow but I suspect its not known for playing the “game” … 🙄

  185. Bacchus permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:20 pm

    You only seem to want to have one person hung for the crimes as well. You don’t scream about the immorality, ethics and corruption of anyone else in the executive. I think the whole HSU executive of the time must have been just as guilty and that there was an entrenched system of largesse with members money.

    That’s a very telling point KL – ToM went out of his way to pronounce St Kathy innocent of any possibility of wrongdoing, and completely ignored any mention of her ex-husband or Mr Williamson – It’s all about Craig. I wonder why? Of course it’s got nothing to do with the “side” he barracks for… 🙄

  186. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:21 pm

    Decent folk are absolutely livid about all forms of political sleaze,

    Well I’m decent and not at all livid, just an impartial observer. It’s politics as usual IMO. It is nothing that we haven’t seen before or won’t see again.

    Would your ‘absolutely livid decent folks’ be mostly the rusted on Liberals who actually believe every word that Tony Abbott utters in his staged pressers? The rest of the electorate are so turned off by politics, so apathetic and disengaged with the calibre and quality of politics in this country that they couldn’t care less.

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:33 pm

    …2. Whether the material in the public domain would satisfy a criminal prosecution is a matter for prosecutors firstly, then a court.
    3. We’re entitled to from a view about the material, particularly in the context of an MP who has not met his commitments on transparency and explanation…

    And as John Howard always said when he went against popular opinion – you can express that view at the next election.
    I imagine Craig Thomsen would not get re-elected by the voters in his electorate. Isn’t that how a democracy works?

  188. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:35 pm

    “For all their faults I have not known Labor [correct me if I am wrong] to go in as hard on the person as the conservatives do.”

    You might care to consider the fate of the four Labor Botany Councilors whose careers were destroyed by the ALP for the heinous crime of reporting Laurie Brereton’s attempts to bribe them to rezone a News Ltd property. Murray Farquhar (a magistrate later convicted for corruption) let Brereton off. When further charges were brought the Labor attorney general had them dropped. The councilors’ political careers were ended. They were threatened with losing, and lost, pre-selection and were ostracised by Labor after years of honorable service. There was a plaintive follow-up interview in the SMH with the former mayor some years later when he was living in poverty in a Northern NSW caravan park.

    That is how Labor hates and how it treats the only decent people in that whole rotten story. I suspect the lesson was learned and may well be part of the explanation of FWA’s failure to conclude an investigation into Thomson in a reasonable time and then producing a report that was worthless to the DPP.

  189. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:44 pm

    The misogyny of the conservatives and the immediate attack on females who dare to stick their necks out to make public comment doesn’t rate a mention here?

    Ian Macdonald adviser quits after sexist email rant

  190. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:44 pm

    Armie: “Would your ‘absolutely livid decent folks’ be mostly the rusted on Liberals who actually believe every word that Tony Abbott utters in his staged pressers?”

    The comments in this thread refute your suggestion.

    The rest of the electorate are so turned off by politics, so apathetic and disengaged with the calibre and quality of politics in this country that they couldn’t care less.

    In your dreams oh impartial one. There is terrible reckoning coming for the ALP just as soon as the voters can lay hands on them at the polls.

  191. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:47 pm

    ..You might care to consider the fate of the four Labor Botany Councilors whose careers were destroyed by the ALP for the heinous crime of reporting Laurie Brereton’s attempts to bribe them to rezone a News Ltd property.

    I know nothing about it. Links?

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:48 pm

    I suspect the lesson was learned and may well be part of the explanation of FWA’s failure ….

    Its like reading a brainstorming session for a bad novel …

  193. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:48 pm

    For all their faults I have not known Labor [correct me if I am wrong] to go in as hard on the person as the conservatives do.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/theres-more-to-reveal-says-orkopoulos-whistleblower-20110602-1fizc.html

    “GILLIAN SNEDDON says she ”did what any decent person would do” when she helped police compile a case against the former NSW government minister Milton Orkopoulos
    ……………In question time, Mr O’Farrell said the Orkopoulos affair was one of the ”sorriest episodes involving any member of this Parliament” and criticised Labor for making Ms Sneddon ”persona non grata”. ”This brave woman was integral in locking up a child sex offender, she was a whistleblower, and all the Labor Party did was to try and destroy her.”

  194. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:49 pm

    “The misogyny of the conservatives and the immediate attack on females who dare to stick their necks out to make public comment doesn’t rate a mention here?”

    Quick! Quick! Look over there. Forget about Craig.

    Makes a change from AbbottAbbottAbbott, I suppose.

    Unlike the Thomson case, the sleazebag there got the chop immediately whereas Labor likes to roll around in its own shit.

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:50 pm

    There is terrible reckoning coming for the ALP just as soon as the voters can lay hands on them at the polls.

    Then we’ll see some decent governance … hey, sp … 😯

  196. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:52 pm

    Good point Neil. The ALP hates it when yet another Labor pedophile is exposed. Sneddon is a hero for exposing that grub – a hero to everyone except the ALP that is. What a pack of vindictive cnuts they are.

  197. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 4:54 pm

    “Then we’ll see some decent governance … hey, sp”

    I’ve got my doubts about that TB, but I’d still give them a go after this Labor sleaze-athon.

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 5:02 pm

    We can compare memries of Joh if you like … most folk don’t really know state parliament and local council history except their own …

    We could talk about Menzies and how he had to hand over the government to Labor during WWII and then wet himself when he was handed an opportunity for his own war in VN … and fucked that up too … handed the mess over to Harold Holt …

    We could … but what’s the point … he said, she said …

    Don’t ever run away with the idea that some of us in the middle don’t criticise both sides …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The ALP hates it when yet another Labor pedophile is exposed

    What a fkn stupid statement … shall I Google and post the names of Liberal Party members who have been found guilty of paedophilia …

  199. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 5:06 pm

    Botany Council Affair

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 5:07 pm

    Quick! Quick! Look over there. Forget about Craig.

    No, not at all. I just get sick of the same old crap that goes around in circles.

    Are we not allowed to introduce a new topic of discussion once in a while, something that I and maybe some others are interested in? I thought the weekend discussion thread was the most appropriate place. There are already numerous craig thomson threads and perhaps that is the discussion that shouldn’t be taking place here!

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 5:10 pm

    1975? No wonder I hadn’t heard of it! 😆

  202. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 5:13 pm

    TB there seems to be a lot of Labor kiddie-fiddlers in the ALP, including some who held high office, which is why I made the comment. Who did you have in mind from the Coalition?

    I’m completely on board as far as Joh goes btw.

  203. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 5:15 pm

    Yeah, Armie. I’m almost as old as TB, no doubt. I wish I could find the follow-up article on what happened to the councilors but it doesn’t appear to have made it to the internet. It was heartbreaking.

  204. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 5:19 pm

    The reason people go on about Thomson is, that unlike past events, this is still an open sore. Every day it goes on the government is rubbing our noses in it. People will maintain the rage at least until we get some reasonable explanation.

  205. April 19, 2012 5:22 pm

    I’m livid.

    Just sayin’.

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 5:30 pm

    I did try to introduce a new topic – the dishonesty of Brisbane Broncos Collingwood supporters.

    No takers.

    Did I also mention that all Crows supporters are drunks? Or Port people are more commonly associated with bikie gangs?

  207. Meta permalink
    April 19, 2012 5:30 pm

    (Just for fun, SB, let’s travel back to 2002, when the relevant (FWA) machinery was first drafted (yes, I know Geoffrey has obviously declared the FWA machinery unfit for purpose(s?), but bear with the intertemporal mind experiment; Geoffrey also noted the basic tenet of ‘a right to silence’): why might a subsequent FWA Report in 2012, still holding true to its original architecture’s conferral of powers, binding the Crown as it happens, have produced a report unuseable, in the first instance, by the CDPP (and/or others), but perfectly useable by the FWA; and why might the traditional (FWA) machinery have been designed that way in the first place (was there an (un)explored purpose in doing so?); and what can we learn from those travels; did the FWA really (mal)function, then or now, and generally speaking?)

  208. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 5:51 pm

    What is fun about that, Meta? I can barely understand your train of thought. I do understand that 3 years is a ridiculously long time to produce a report and I do think it is a little odd to deliver to the DPP a report that is of no use.

  209. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 19, 2012 6:05 pm

    shall I Google and post the names of Liberal Party members who have been found guilty of paedophilia …”

    Please do. People like this should be exposed.

    But the main point is not that an ALP pollie got up to such crimes but it looks like they protected him. The poor old whistleblower (Sneddon) lost her job for reporting the crime.

    The ALP looks after its own. Even Milton Orkopoulos.

    Also there is that Heiner affair thing that Piers Akerman keeps bringing up.

    The ALP does appear to have a very tribal culture and will look after their own.

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 6:08 pm

    I suspect that some statutes of limitation may have expired too … (mores the pity) …

    TB there seems to be a lot of Labor kiddie-fiddlers in the ALP,

    Another fkn childish statement (I almost changed it but it still fits) …

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 6:12 pm

    The ALP does appear to have a very tribal culture and will look after their own.

    Another stupid fkn statement …

    I like the Liberal Party members so individualistic and yet coherent at the right times …

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 6:16 pm

    sreb – I’ve been meaning to compliment you on the graphics at the top of the thread (but shit hapens, and happens and hapens) …

    very cleverly done (I know how bloody hard it is to get the right perspective on “curved” objects) … very skilfull stuff … if I didn’t know better I’d say you are one of those talented, artistic gay persons …

  213. April 19, 2012 6:20 pm

    “I’ve been meaning to compliment you on the graphics at the top of the thread”

    “very cleverly done…. very skilfull stuff ”

    Isn’t just TB?

    I really ought to thank who ever did it…

    rather than unashamedly just knocking it off….

  214. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 6:39 pm

    TB there seems to be a lot of Labor kiddie-fiddlers in the ALP,

    Has there been some research to suggest that there is a disproportionate number of paedophiles in the labor party? Or do they just happen to be the ones who got caught?

    Now, we do know that there is a disproportionate number of old, white, male, christians in politics. So what does that say about paedophilia and politics? Males and paedophilia? Religion and paedophilia?

    Maybe there should be some research!

    The ALP does appear to have a very tribal culture and will look after their own.

    Perhaps there is something in that too, even if they have to stick a peg on their nose they will protect to avoid any embarrassment to the party.

    The reason people go on about Thomson is, that unlike past events, this is still an open sore. Every day it goes on the government is rubbing our noses in it…

    It’s not the government rubbing our noses in it, they are probably desperately trying to keep it quiet. It is the Coalition and the media who are ‘maintaining the rage’.

  215. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2012 6:48 pm

    ‘I just get sick of the same old crap that goes around in circles.’

    They used to say the same about the CC debate, but thankfully the science is now settled.

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 6:49 pm

    I really ought to thank who ever did it…

    LOL! You’re a bad lad … you really are! 😆

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Hear! Hear! KL!

    It’s not the government rubbing our noses in it, they are probably desperately trying to keep it quiet. It is the Coalition and the media who are ‘maintaining the rage’.

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 6:50 pm

    They used to say the same about the CC debate, but thankfully the science is now settled

    You mean we should have a Craig Thomson thread, FFS?

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 7:11 pm

    I’d just like to say that I like the hung parliament situation.
    I like it that neither Labor nor Liberal are able to push through parliament anything they feel like without proper scrutiny. I hope every parliament is going to be as close in numbers, it is the only hope for the wishes of the people being considered over the power of the corporations and lobbyists.

    Labor may only be able to govern in the future with the Greens as a Coalition partner, this is a good thing when such rampant neoliberal ideology has infected both major parties.

    The greens will have their own battle before long between their two factions, the progressive thinking capitalists [who have rejected labor’s right wing union domination] vs the social democrats.

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 7:14 pm

    I also don’t mind the hung parliament.

    I’m obviously not fond of Oakeshott, but only because he’s a f**king stupid c*nt who should have no place in parliament. If only there was an IQ test.

  220. April 19, 2012 7:30 pm

    “I hope every parliament is going to be as close in numbers…”

    Unfortunately, the next one is highly likely to be skewed towards the Coalition.

  221. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2012 7:33 pm

    May all our parliaments be well hung!

  222. Tony permalink
    April 19, 2012 7:35 pm

    “A man reaps what he sows” ~ Galatians 6:7

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 7:37 pm

    Just to show how the real world of law and justice actually works ..

    http://www.news.com.au/business/worker-injured-during-sex-gets-compo/story-e6frfm1i-1226333292525

    FYI, info this was established at common law over 30 years ago … but legislation over-rides common law precedent (although precedent is often used in legislative cases as a basis for defence and/or prosecution) …

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 7:39 pm

    “A man reaps what he sows” ~ Galatians 6:7

    FFS!

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2012 8:00 pm

    A Malcolm Farr report …

    Headline: Prime Minister Julia Gillard accused of rates con before Budget

    … first paragraph …

    JULIA Gillard has been accused of trying to con an interest rate cut out of the Reserve Bank before it even sees the size of the Budget surplus she has promised.

    Then a lot of waffle … you can read here …

    http://www.news.com.au/money/interest-rates/pm-accused-of-rates-con-before-budget-annoucement/story-e6frfmn0-1226333423511

    Then the last paragraph …

    However, senior economists have challenged Mr Abbott on this argument. They have said Australia’s borrowings are too small an element in the global market to affect the price of loans

    Talk about a wanker! What’s really frightening is that people believe the bullshit … they don’t understand that the RBA is independent of the government …

    … does Malcolm Farr? You bet he does … is this reporting or fiction writing? You bet it is …

    … and most readers will only read the first couple of paragraphs … that’s where the FINAL paragraph SHOULD have been!

  226. April 19, 2012 8:07 pm

    The bible is soooooo full of shit.

  227. Tony permalink
    April 19, 2012 8:14 pm

    At least Malcolm quoted some “senior economists”. 🙄 (Couldn’t he find any “respected” ones?)

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 8:15 pm

    So expansionary fiscal policy doesn’t put upward pressure on interest rates?

    Because Gillard is arguing that contractionary fiscal policy (ie spending reductions to balance the budget) should reduce interest rates.

    Gillard (and TB) can’t have it both ways

  229. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 19, 2012 9:27 pm

    “The ALP does appear to have a very tribal culture and will look after their own.
    Another stupid fkn statement …TB Queensland PERMALINK
    April 19, 2012 6:12 pm”

    Why is saying that the ALP has a tribal culture stupid??? Here are some facts about “crossing the floor” in Parliament

    “Floor crossers by party
    In the period of the study, 63% of floor crossers came from the Liberal Party, 26% from the National Party and 11% from the Labor Party. The small percentage from the Labor Party reflects the party’s particular emphasis on discipline where a formal pledge binds all Labor MPs to support the collective decisions of the Caucus. The last two Labor MPs to cross the floor—Senator George Georges in 1986 and Graeme Campbell MP in 1988—were both suspended from the party for their actions.”

    Labor is much more tribal than the Coalition

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22library%2Fprspub%2F31KH6%22

    Table 2 shows the top 28 floor crossers and not one ALP member made the list.

    The ALP has a Tribal culture and will always look after their own even if they are corrupt.

  230. April 19, 2012 9:50 pm

    I’ve had a few acceptable reds…

  231. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2012 9:53 pm

    Talk about a wanker! What’s really frightening is that people believe the bullshit …

    Yes, they do. It is Abbott’s relentless “never let an opportunity go by to attack the Gillard government” Whatever Labor does, there will be an immediate negative counter attack from Tony Abbott aided and abetted with helpful assistance from his NewsLtd and IPA pals [whom did he have lunch with for that one?]. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, he counts on people not thinking any deeper than the message, but what I don’t understand is why he doesn’t get pinged for his complete lack of truthiness and misrepresentation. I guess it’s because people want to believe him – the climate change deniers, the fearful of teworrwists, the religious nutjobs, the misogynists, the I’m doing OK but I resent any money going to the poor and needy loser-bludgers brigade, the wealthy elite, the hand out for me-me-me brigade.

    Plus he would have wanted to get Joe Hockey’s entitlements-to-go speech off the front page!

    [crikey]…The slow but intriguing transformation of Joe Hockey into the Coalition frontbench’s economic conscience continues. Earlier this week, we flagged in The Power Index how Hockey’s recent policy battles had been within the party, over issues such as industry assistance. His comments about “the age of entitlement” overnight, however, take him right off the reservation…

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-19/crabb-eye-popping-politics/3960830

    …Every now and again, Joe Hockey stands up and says something so completely correct that his colleagues automatically want to track him down and thump him…

    …The first is to burst into hysterical laughter, or begin thumping one’s head rhythmically against the nearest vertical flat surface, seeing as Mr Hockey’s side of politics not only has done much to establish the very sense of entitlement of which he complains, but has moreover appealed to it remorselessly in opposing various measures introduced by the Government in recent years…

    I’ve noticed the Libs coming on strong lately with the old conservative con job of ‘the best defence is offense’ trick. Accusing the other side of doing what you do. Pyne and Abbott accusing Labor of ‘constant negativity’. You’d have to laugh if you didn’t want to throw up! But rest assured, it will be taken on face value with no challenges in sight [as usual].

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2012 10:24 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/world/assange-lawyer-says-she-is-on-watch-list/story-e6frfkyi-1226333559615

    Assange lawyer says she is on watch list

    AN Australian lawyer working for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange claims the Department of Foreign Affairs has put her on a travel watch list requiring special approval to return to Australia.

    London-based human rights lawyer Jennifer Robinson said airport authorities in London had informed her she was on an “inhibited travel list”.

    This is simply an outrage. Blonde lawyers such as Ms Robinson should be encouraged to pop in. I’d like to know who is to blame for this attempt to prevent a fit looking blonde from returning.

    I mean, it’s not as if she’s Amanda Vanstone.

  233. JAWS permalink
    April 19, 2012 11:27 pm

    Seriously I wish the ALP and Opposition would make up their collective minds.

    Can I use the the analogy of a fruit and veg shop ?

    If everybody in Sydney decides they want to buy garlic this weekend because of some crap recipe on Masterchef then if there is a low supply it will quickly sell out and the growers will hold out for a higher price at the next wholesale market because they know they must satisfy unsatisfied demand ( the people who missed out) and continuing demand due to continued popularity of the recipe.

    Because demand is so huge the retailers will quickly look at alternatives overseas.

    Guess what.?

    The same thing happens with Money and it’s Price which we call an interest rate.

    If the domestic economy is squeezed for deposits to lend overseas because the government is borrowing those deposits the Gang of 4 Banks and others will go overseas to borrow.

    So the governments borrowings will only affect interest rates on a money supply side by the extent that domestic banks are funding lending by the differing deposits availability within the domestic economy.

    But then we need to talk about the demand side pull that a government places on trade skills shortages and it’s contribution to inflation via big ticket program’s like the NBN etc.

    Are you up late with insomnia .

    I’ ll cure you now

    Pass me a glass of the red first

    Anyway it goes like this………………………………….

  234. JAWS permalink
    April 19, 2012 11:59 pm

    And in relation to my interest rate rant above it
    all means both sides are engaging in Bullshit 101

  235. JAWS permalink
    April 20, 2012 12:02 am

    Oh

    I got a new iPad 64G WiFi today after ordering 9
    days ago.

    Pretty cool I must say

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2012 10:57 am

    So how many USB ports does the 64Gb have, Wally?

  237. April 20, 2012 11:08 am

    Bolt draws his longest bow EVER .

    Infers video games as somehow responsible for the actions of Anders Breivik.

    Ignores mammoth in room, Breivik’s prescribed (admittedly fringe) vociferous advancement of rightwing pantswetting doctrine.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/a_game_to_train_a_breivik/

    Even an overwhelming majority of Bolt’s winged monkeys can see through his ignorant opinionating in this instance; to their credit.

    WoW & COD may be unproductive time wasters, but they’re certainly not major factors in the causation of mass murder by deranged ideologues.

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2012 11:19 am

    G’day Toillette

    (Wally = Walrus)

    Re iPad —- just jokin’ ….

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2012 11:50 am

    Re Bolt

    My new gaming mouse Logitech G700 (wired or wireless – charges battery when wired) 11 programmable buttons …

    Might take it out in my suburb tonight and zap a few people … duh!

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2012 12:01 pm

    Re Bolt link … 53:1 against is a bit off putting for Andrew’s ego one would suspect … he’ll be out larnin’ thum thar shootin’ games tonight!

    Me I’ll just be trying to get ashore at Wake Island on BF3 … and spawning every 30 fkn seconds!

  241. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2012 12:13 pm

    Goodness me!! Just look at all those contrary comments on Bolt’s blog. Someone is asleep at the wheel!! How did they get through? There’s an old blast from the past Nemesis having a dip too.

    Not a player of these games unfortunately. Unfortunate because such a thing cost me $249k on Millionnaire Hotseat a couple of years ago. Some may remember. Had a been a player I’d have known that a “cataphract” is an armoured cavalryman, not a fkn siege engine. And I’d be able to sleep.

  242. April 20, 2012 12:17 pm

    Me too, TB.

    Bolt is waaaaay off the mark. Even further away from reality than usual. Clearly, the pillock has never had much to do with computer games.

    I note, one of the only arselicking comments comes from my old foe, moshe/bob of tas/qld, who now claims to be a pschologist (no longer an apc driver). What a cockhead.

    “bob of qld (Reply)
    Fri 20 Apr 12 (09:28am)

    The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

    As a psych myself I am left in no doubt that for some, the influence of these sorts of games is inherently harmful.

    And when that perfect storm arrives, the Breivik’s emerge.

    Social researchers mask much of the risks posed by those at the edges by slavery to the median tendency.

    The fact IS, as you say, these games DO have the potential to play a terrible role in the development of a Breivik and nothing is served by denying this.

    I might add the notion that persons are not influenced by the video media in which they are immersed would need to be explained in the context of why do corporations, business and governments spend billions on advertising?

    Its simple…they are very well aware of the capacity to influence by that form of media. They are totally invested in the notion one can manipulate and shape behaviour if the right message is presented thru the box.

    It seems a silly and dangerous argument to suggest it only influences for good, no?”

    Dear, oh dear. It must be terrible to live life jumping at shadows over the benign & mundane.
    Remember, blame the video games. Don’t mention the fanatic ideologue, as bad as any muslim extremist he could point a finger at.

  243. April 20, 2012 12:21 pm

    “Goodness me!! Just look at all those contrary comments on Bolt’s blog. Someone is asleep at the wheel!!”

    I think it’s fair to say that the mental midget misjudged the prevailing mood of his gargoyles on this one, snacty.

    It’s no surprise at all that nematode is a WoW tragic. He gets most of his bizzare worldview from a cornflakes packet too.

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2012 12:31 pm

    As a psych myself …

    Yeah, I almost made a sarcastic comment at this … what a psychopath or psychotic? 🙄

  245. April 20, 2012 12:36 pm

    APC driver/moshe/bob of tas/qld…the original sock puppeteer & Bush/Howard limpet.

  246. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 20, 2012 1:10 pm

    The fact IS, as you say, these games DO have the potential to play a terrible role in the development of a Breivik and nothing is served by denying this.

    I think the breivik was already well developed in right wing hatred and zealotry before he played WoW, that was just a release for the terrorist act being played out in his head.

    …Had a been a player I’d have known that a “cataphract” is an armoured cavalryman, not a fkn siege engine. And I’d be able to sleep…

    I wouldn’t have known either, oh well, easy come easy go! lol:
    What a shame I missed seeing you on the telly james, I would have barracked for you!
    [I didn’t know about your appearance and never watch the show]

  247. Bacchus permalink
    April 20, 2012 1:26 pm

    I’ve got a copy 😉 complete show is 1.28GB & just James segment is 261MB…

  248. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2012 1:43 pm

    That’s about right, Bacchus. I came in at the end and almost benefitted from the work done by the lady before me. I’ve not actually seen it in its entirety. It’s been repeated twice since and each time I get an avalanche of messages. You’d be amazed at how many watch TV at 5pm. I did answer 1 question correctly though, and I knew the answer that the lady before had got wrong. Goodluck Jonathon. I was praying she would pass at that point but of course she’d never have got back up.

    Now it’s just one of those things that plays on your mind on those nights you can’t sleep.

  249. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 20, 2012 3:24 pm

    Now it’s just one of those things that plays on your mind on those nights you can’t sleep.

    “If only I could turn back time”

    I don’t know how many times I’ve lived that song!

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2012 7:07 pm

    Has reb arrived in civilisation yet?

    I believe the upmarket restaurants and wine bars have restocked their reds in anticipation.

  251. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 20, 2012 9:08 pm

    The Next Global Collapse

    …Proposals for narrow banking would require a complete restructuring of the financial sector, with the result that banking in the ordinary sense would become (as it was in the decades after Glass-Steagall) a boring, low-risk activity with the returns and salary structures of a public utility. Those looking for higher returns would have to do so in the knowledge that bad judgement or bad luck could wipe them out with no prospect of public assistance. Unsurprisingly, this is a prospect viewed by the financial sector, and the politicians it owns and controls, with unalloyed horror. Nevertheless, it is the only solution to the problem of shadow banking…

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2012 9:15 pm

    Is multiculturalism covert apartheid?

  253. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2012 9:32 pm

    Quiggin….yuk!

  254. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2012 9:38 pm

    Michael Pascoe is caught flying kites on a slow nooze week.

    ‘Is Joe Hockey starting his run for the Liberal Party leadership and, therefore, the Lodge? Or maybe the run just became more obvious as he goes where Tony Abbott hasn’t: into the realm of Liberal economic responsibility.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/run-joe-run-20120420-1xau4.html#ixzz1sa0AklxE

  255. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2012 12:35 am

    I’ve heard Penny Wong and various ALP supporters argue that a budget deficit (ie government borrowings) does not put pressure on interest rates.

    I’ve also heard (on the same day) Julia Gillard, Wayne Swan and Bill Shorten argue that reducing a budget deficit will create room for the Reserve bank to reduce interest rates.

    What is it with these people and the repugnance they feel towards logical consistency?

    (nice red this evening)

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 21, 2012 9:06 am

    Quiggin….yuk!

    watts, nova et al et al …yuk!

    I’ve heard Penny Wong and various ALP supporters argue that a budget deficit (ie government borrowings) does not put pressure on interest rates.

    Well, how come the rates kept going up and up during the Howard/Costello reign of terror, especially toward his final days, didn’t they have a surplus?

    Anyway, haven’t Labor promised a surplus? 😆

    Are you arguing tomM that rates will go up with a deficit under Labor whilst evidence showed they went up with a surplus under the Liberals?

    Keep on spinning! I hope the Libs are paying you 😉

    Comment: The Economic Myths of Peter Costello

    …The story Howard and Costello will tell the Australian people will go, roughly speaking, like this. Under Labor interest rates are always unacceptably high. Under the Coalition they have been and will remain low. They will suggest to the Australian people that interest rates are controlled by governments and directly linked to federal budget deficits and surpluses. As no part of this story is actually true, the next election campaign will be conducted on the basis of a series of seriously misleading or straightforwardly false Howard-Costello claims…

    …Ian Macfarlane, the previous governor of Australia’s Reserve Bank, noted that attempts to make links “directly from budgets to monetary policy [involve] an almighty leap”, and this is because monetary policy is based on the level of activity in the entire economy, of which stimulus from the government is just one small part…

    http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2012/04/neoliberalism-o.php#more

    …What strikes me is not Hockey’s candour in speaking out or his courage about cutting back on the entitlement culture in Australia. It is the hypocrisy. Few have done more to promote such a culture than the Coalition Government under John Winston Howard.

    Secondly, whilst in opposition the Coalition has fought almost every effort by Labor to means-test or otherwise curb welfare entitlements…

    …Hockey’s neo-liberal policy is very clear: increase the incentives and support for business to get growth and profits back (ie., shoring up the private sector) and take a hard look at the welfare entitlements of the people. Some entitlements are better than others and those of the working people who depend on the welfare state for their well being will be subject to the pruning knife.

    It is the continuation of the backlash against the welfare state and the push for a new political economic order in the 1970s; a backlash whose fundamental feature is the disciplining and disempowerment of the working class.

    Anytime there is a crisis in a nation state the neoliberals say the problem is the strength of the welfare state, it’s the huge expenditures of the welfare state. Their practical aim is to redistribute wealth towards the upper classes. and ensure that it is concentrated there by restoring class power in a very narrow band of the political economic elite…

  257. Tony permalink
    April 21, 2012 10:08 am

    Uh oh. The hate media’s at it again. (Are these “credible allegations” of the kind Geoffrey Robertson says should lead to MPs being suspended?)

    This is an extract of allegations against Peter Slipper in the application in federal court

  258. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2012 10:39 am

    Well AO, one of the greatest examples of economic mismanagement I can recall is-
    • Swan was spending BIG, to stimulate economic activity.
    • At exactly the same time, the Reserve Bank was raising interest rates at the same time to dampen economic activity.

    There is a direct link between interest rates and the level of aggregate economic demand, and high levels of government spending fuels aggregate demand. The government advocates this rational at the moment as it relates to their political interest in balancing the budget. They don’t like the link when they look in the rear vision mirror at their past economic settings.

  259. Bacchus permalink
    April 21, 2012 1:42 pm

    James,

    I’ve sort of managed to get the video of your part in “Hot Seat” somewhere where it can be linked to (indirectly). With your permission, I’m happy to post a link here, otherwise I’ll remove it from where it is…

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2012 3:24 pm

    So … do I live in capitalist free market or a command system …

    Australia gives $7b to Europe bailout fund

    http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/australia-gives-7b-to-europe-bailout-fund/story-e6frfkur-1226335074682

    I wonder if ToSY’s “small government” would? Just jokin’ …

  261. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2012 3:42 pm

    Go for your life, Bacchus. It’s something I’m quite proud of in a funny way. Not many people I know have got so close to that much money only to blow it at the death.

  262. Tony permalink
    April 21, 2012 4:39 pm

    ‘I wonder if ToSY’s “small government” would? Just jokin’ …’

    No effing way, TB. Australian taxpayers paying billions to help bail out the failed Euro experiment, so that Greek tax-avoiders can retire at fifty? Don’t make me laugh. 😐

  263. el gordo permalink
    April 21, 2012 4:40 pm

    Chris Kenny in the Oz

    ‘The Prime Minister is now in the unenviable position of having to rely for her survival on two MPs facing ugly allegations – Mr Slipper as Speaker and Labor backbencher Craig Thomson…’

  264. Bacchus permalink
    April 21, 2012 5:20 pm

    OK – Because WordPress limits the type of files it will allow you to upload, I have had to embed the video file inside a Word document to get it up there.

    For anyone who’s really keen to see James on the Hot Seat, click on the link, choose “Save File” (Firefox) or “Save” (IE). NOTE: the file is ~260MB – it took me about 7 ½ minutes to download at 100Mbps

    You will need Word 2010 or compatible word processor or converter to open the file – double click on the embedded video file & it should play.

    http://bacchusbs.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/james_hot_seat.docx

  265. April 21, 2012 5:27 pm

    I have arrived in civilisation.

  266. el gordo permalink
    April 21, 2012 5:44 pm

    guffaw

  267. Tony permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:13 pm

    I’d like to watch James’s performance again, so I’ve downloaded Bacchus’s file, but now realise my version of Word is earlier than 2010. Can’t somebody put it on youtube or something? 😉

    Welcome to the real world, reb of Melbourne Southbank Yarra’s Edge.

  268. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:19 pm

    Where are you swilling, Reb?

  269. April 21, 2012 6:30 pm

    Southbank at the moment Snacty, but we’ll be moving to Yarra’s Edge in June……

  270. Bacchus permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:34 pm

    I’ll upload using an earlier version of Word Tony – unless anyone has a YouTube account they can upload it to…

    Upload takes a little longer than download though – 1.2Mmbs vs 100Mbps 🙄 bring on the NBN 😉

  271. Tony permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:39 pm

    Thanks Bacchus. I suppose I could always lash out and download the latest version of Word, but I don’t want to see Snacty that much. 😉

  272. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:42 pm

    Thanks, Bacchus, I’ve watched it. Can you believe I got it wrong again????

    Moved here for good, Reb? Well done!

  273. April 21, 2012 6:46 pm

    yep James, me and my better half…..

  274. Bacchus permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:48 pm

    I’m sure you won’t be the only one Tony. There’s also a converter you can get from the Microsoft site & I think the Open Source Open Office can open .docx files too…

    http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=3

    Those without Word can get the free viewer:
    http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=4

  275. Bacchus permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:50 pm

    LOL James – You’d think you might have learnt it by now 😆

    OpenOffice available here:
    http://www.openoffice.org/

  276. Bacchus permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:51 pm

    The new upload is 43% done…

  277. Tony permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:51 pm

    One of these days, James, we’re going to have a long lunch for members of the Melbourne chapter of Blogocracy/Blogocrats/GutterTrash/FarnhamReport (and anyone else who wants to come along). Reb and Victor will be guests of honour.

  278. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:53 pm

    bacchus I have a Youtube channel if that helps……

    not that I’m into self promotion or anything like that…..

  279. April 21, 2012 6:54 pm

    “Reb and Victor will be guests of honour.”

    Does that mean we don’t have to pay…? 😉

  280. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:55 pm

    Poor Reb, he’ll be surrounded by a bunch of RWDBs!! Are there any Victorian Socialists (aside from Reb) on here anymore?

  281. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:57 pm

    Oh and Reb, you’re in Melbourne now…..

    It’s “my better half and I”.

  282. April 21, 2012 6:57 pm

    Here is a new Rostrum thread Part II seeing as this one is getting a bit long….

    https://farnhamreport.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/weekend-rostrum-part-ii/

  283. Tony permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:57 pm

    “Does that mean we don’t have to pay…? ”

    That’s correct. Tom of Melbourne will be happy to cover you, I’m sure. 😆

  284. Bacchus permalink
    April 21, 2012 6:59 pm

    I don’t know anything about YouTube James – it’s never interested me from a publisher perspective. Could I upload to your channel, or would you need to do that?

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2012 12:31 pm

    I have arrived in civilisation.

    I thought you said you were going to melbourne?

  286. Meta permalink
    May 4, 2012 2:12 am

    (Reconsidering Senator Hanson-Young, the Greens representative now seems to have attracted Michael Kirby to an engagement with first-class views about ‘second-class citizenships’.

    Interestingly, perhaps, at least for those keeping half an eye on the secondary activities of Joe de Bruyn and/or the SDA, there seems to be some internal-external dissent in the submissions ranks, at 354.)

  287. May 25, 2013 8:46 pm

    Howdy! I’m at work browsing your blog from my new iphone 3gs! Just wanted to say I love reading your blog and look forward to all your posts! Keep up the superb work!

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