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Bill Shorten to Scrap HSU!

April 26, 2012

In a bizarre twist in the ongoing Craig Thomson scandal, reports are emerging that Bill Shorten intends to scrap the HSU and send it to administration.

The extraordinary measure comes in the wake of Prime Minister Gillard’s defence of the HSU insisting that the independent body Fair Work Australia should be allowed to complete its investigation into the scandal ridden union without any sort of political interference.

Outside the court, the national secretary of the HSU, Kathy Jackson, said Mr Shorten’s move was “a cheap political stunt”.

“We will get to the administration point whether he applies for it or we apply for it. That will happen.

“This is a spiteful move …. by the ALP. They should have taken action on [former national secretary and federal MP Craig] Thomson and [the HSU East general secretary Michael] Williamson earlier.

“It’s very predictable; we’ve been calling for intervention for a while now. The union is in crisis. We’re in court trying to sort this out,” Ms Jackson said.

“Bill Shorten should not participate in the decision-making of the HSU.

“We’ve ended up [here] because of his and others in the ALP trying to win this union for their own political power.

“This is not about putting an administration in place that suits Bill Shorten.

“Bill Shorten should go back and be the Minister for Industrial Relations and not the minister for the HSU.”

When asked to comment about the “gang of 10” HSU secretaries trying to oust her, she said, “Good luck.

“This is a spiteful move by them. It’s about protecting the ALP and protecting their own backsides. They should have taken action on Thomson and Williamson earlier and they didn’t and now they want to shoot me down.”

 

 

 

 

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  1. April 26, 2012 12:09 pm

    But it’s all just a media beatup! Craig is innocent…….!!

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 26, 2012 12:32 pm

    Business as usual in Unionland.

  3. Bacchus permalink
    April 26, 2012 12:37 pm

    Who knows reb – I don’t think any of them are “innocent”, however, things may not necessarily be as Ms Jackson wants everyone to think. Thanks to Tom R at the Café:

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/experts-back-mp-craig-thomson-on-cards/story-e6freuy9-1226336572027

    EMBATTLED MP Craig Thomson hired handwriting experts to examine credit card receipts used at a brothel in a bid to clear his name.

    Mr Thomson filed reports from independent handwriting experts as part of his defence in a Fair Work Australia investigation into allegations he misused Health Services Union funds.

    The three credit card slips examined by the handwriting experts revealed three different people allegedly forged Mr Thomson’s signature when paying for sexual services.

    Sources close to Mr Thomson confirmed the hand writing analysis.

    It was unclear who signed the cheques and insiders were surprised the card was allegedly used by so many people.

  4. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2012 12:43 pm

    Outside the court, the national secretary of the HSU, Kathy Jackson, said Mr Shorten’s move was “a cheap political stunt”.
    “We will get to the administration point whether he applies for it or we apply for it. That will happen.

    Sounds like kathy wanted more time to consolidate her grenade throwing plans.

    I think we’re all a bit sick and tired of hearing about it now. Get on with it.

    I like the idea of the administrator as I believe that none of them are fit and proper people to be running the show, including kathy jackson [who seems to be very miffed at the thought of not having the big job fall into her lap after bombing the place].

    Throw the lot of them out!

    [ABC24] bill shorten has had to come out of hiding and it seems that kathy sees her own power grab slipping through her fingers [she’s pretty good at the 5 min news grab herself!]

    It is interesting that kathy jackson says that bll shorten should not be interfering with union business, yet don’t we have the unions constantly interfering with and deciding labor party policy?

  5. JAWS permalink
    April 26, 2012 12:46 pm

    Thanks Bacchus

    So his credit card was stolen on 3 occasions………………Yeah I can believe that…………yeah right…….no problems

    Sounds like handwriting experts can be just as accurate as economists

    Use the “expert reports” that fit your case

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2012 12:54 pm

    I don’t think any of them are “innocent”, however, things may not necessarily be as Ms Jackson wants everyone to think. Thanks to Tom R at the Café:

    mmmm, what if he really does turn out not to have done the things that he has been pre-judged and sentenced on already?

    A lot of people will come to a screeching halt, but don’t expect any apologies, they’ll just move on to the next target.

    ged kearney is ok, used to be the anf secretary, although I was hoping for a lot more female worker advocacy from her, guess they’ve all been quite busy ever since rudd’s removal.

    BTW, rudd must be pretty happy sitting back and watching the unions implode.

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2012 12:59 pm

    It’s a disgrace.

    Does anyone seriously still believe that union affiliation with the ALP remains beneficial to both?

    The stench of this government is over powering.

    It’s so much easier to lapse into ‘blame the media’ than it is to acknowledge the structural problems of the party.

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2012 1:07 pm

    [VEXNEWS]

    MONEY POLITICS: Mal Brough accused of “inducing” council candidate not to run

    …The Sunshine Coast Daily is too polite to name and shame the “high profile former politician” a mayoral candidate has claimed “induced” him not to run is former Howard minister Mal Brough, senior sources tell VEXNEWS.

    There appears to be no more evidence than one person’s claim but if there’s other proof it could get very ugly for the ambitious ex-MP, once seen as a future party leader and expected to replace Peter Slipper in his safe LNP seat of Fisher. The preselection has not been called yet, with this scandal potentially costing Brough his chance to return to Club Fed…

    that’s how the snotnose Libs roll [but don’t expect them to be called to account or any evidence to show up, unlike those stupid union thugs] 😆

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2012 1:12 pm

    [vexnews]
    http://www.vexnews.com/2011/12/alex-somlyay-v-peter-slipper-grudge-match/

    Dec 1, 2011

    …Alex Somlyay’s hatred for Peter Slipper is scaling new heights of fury now that his nemesis has got himself the Speaker’s job…

    …Liberal sources say that in the New Year a concerted attack would be made on the “unstable” Slipper, with Sophie Mirabella likely to be given responsibility for the jihad. She is believed to be in possession of extensive files of material on the Speaker…

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2012 1:17 pm

    Sounds like handwriting experts can be just as accurate as economists
    Use the “expert reports” that fit your case

    now that’s what you call ideology, aka neil of sydney. one-eyed blind, desperately seeking a reason, any excuse, to remain prejudiced and biased.

  11. JAWS permalink
    April 26, 2012 1:24 pm

    Well why not name “the experts” used so we can at least see for ourselves whether they are really experts.

    It would not surprise me that given the demographics of his seat his so called “experts” are simply retired bank tellers whose “expertise” has been garnered from checking blacklight signatures on pensioner passbook accounts over the years.

    Nothing would surprise with the bullshit upon bullshit Thompson has dealt out so far

  12. April 26, 2012 1:24 pm

    Well I think it’s all very interesting….

    Bill Shorten’s claims that the HSU is “dysfunctional” is directly at odds with Gillard’s claims that there’s “nothing to see here” and that FWA should be allowed to do its work independently and without any political interference…

    Could it be that Shorten is firming up his odds to challenge Gillard in the wake of consistently abysmal polls for Gillard (and Labor) that would see them almost certainly face a landslide loss in an election that could be just 12 months away?

    Could it be that Shorten realises that the public are sick of Gillard, and her acquiescence to the will of the Union warlords and powerbrokers?

    Shortern doesn’t strike me as someone who’s going to stand by and watch the Gillard train wreck continue its trajectory course towards electoral anhiliation unabated..

    And let’s face it, short of Tony Abbott being arrested in some sort of drug and alcohol-fuelled cyrstal meth love tryst kinky bondage sex sado masochistic menage a trois with Christopher Pyne and Philip Ruddock that’s exactly the forecast for Labor’s election prospects…

    Doomed…. DOOMED…….

    DOOMED!!!!!!!!!

  13. April 26, 2012 1:27 pm

    Or we could all just blame the media and hope it goes away.

  14. el gordo permalink
    April 26, 2012 1:27 pm

    Smith is a clean skin and can save the party, not Shorten because of the stench.

  15. April 26, 2012 1:35 pm

    I hate the Nazi bastard, but on this point he has a point…

    Senator Abetz said the drama had been dragging on for three years.

    “Here you have the Government willing to monster the Reserve Bank seeking a specific outcome (a cut in interest rates), whereas with Fair Work Australia they are not even willing to give them a bit of a hurry up.”

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/thomson-should-stand-down-abetz/story-e6frfku0-1226338876934#ixzz1t77rWJmo

  16. JAWS permalink
    April 26, 2012 1:40 pm

    “Doomed…. DOOMED…….

    DOOMED!!!!!!!!!…”

    Yeah…………at the rate Gillard is going they’ll need an entire team of police forensic experts to find what’s left of the ALP on election night.

  17. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2012 1:40 pm

    Interestingly, Kittylitter, Brough has attended the offices of the particular newspaper with his computer and emails and responded to the allegation.

    Now if only Craig Thompson were as upfront.

  18. JAWS permalink
    April 26, 2012 1:43 pm

    Given that some “experts” are predicting the loss could be great enough to hand Senate power to Abbott surely Shorten is obliged or perhaps being urged by others to run ASAP.

  19. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 26, 2012 2:42 pm

    Interestingly, Kittylitter, Brough has attended the offices of the particular newspaper with his computer and emails and responded to the allegation.”

    You are not allowed to disagree with Kittylitter otherwise you will be called one-eyed.

  20. Meta permalink
    April 26, 2012 5:10 pm

    (Without conflating sundry matters unnecessarily or without reasonable warrant for so doing, and not that I necessarily (dis)agree with orthodox economics, but ‘creating space’ for the RBA to do its monetary thing via the Government’s doing its fiscal thing seemingly is perty much how that piece of Frankensteinian machinery is designed per the doxology. But what are the likely or intended consequents of changing the mix-settings for rates, dollars, withdrawal of hang-over stimuli, etc on schedule? Has anyone run this by Treasury to check that the timings are right, especially with an imminent Budget foreshadowed?

    On Shorten, yes, allowing the HSU to struggle on valiantly to a point of administration of its own choosing is precisely the sort of due diligence on prescribed duties, even discretions, under enactments that responsible Ministers should/should not entertain, perhaps.

    What do you think, ToM, James, as the nearest personages to ‘in-house counsel’ that this blog has on such matters; does Shorten really have a ‘case to pursue’ HSU East under the FW(RO)A and attendant regulations, (in)dependent of whatever else FWA might be pursuing per its investigation(s) into (un)related matters, or is he just exerting (pre)cursory standing in the Federal Court at this juncture as a stunt?)

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 26, 2012 5:21 pm

    No doubt the administrator Shorten gets appointed will be much to his liking.

    Also, I wonder why it has taken him this long to realise there is a problem? Oh well, at least he is on the case now. Sometimes it takes a while to detect villainy in Unionland. But we should be grateful. All to often it doesn’t get detected at all.

  22. April 26, 2012 5:30 pm

    News Ltd. today postulated, online via News.com (I think that’s where I read it), that odds are firming for another tilt by Kev around December…or, more interestingly, A challenge from Smith with Shorten as his deputy aroung the same time.

    I’m sure it’s all just unsubstantiated, wild speculation & it couldn’t ever possibly come to pass (* cough)…

  23. el gordo permalink
    April 26, 2012 5:39 pm

    A Smith/Shorten ticket will work, but they’ll have to fight like crazy to stay in power.

    The feminist barrackers won’t like it.

  24. JAWS permalink
    April 26, 2012 6:09 pm

    “…………odds are firming for another tilt by Kev around December”

    Gillard does not have that long.

    She might get a small bounce from July onwards but once those power bills start coming into people’s mail boxes the masses are going to forget their “compensation” and start screaming the house down.

    As Howard used to say the electorate does not thank you for tax cuts they expect them from you.

    The opinion polls will not give her breathing space until December.

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2012 7:02 pm

    Perhaps someone (a non troll) would advise what evidence Shorten has that is different to the evidence on Thomson.

    Does the HSU leadership ‘have a case to answer’?

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2012 7:04 pm

    I’m just waiting for Fifi to turn up with a bin 389. I’m celebrating ‘Thursday’.

  27. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2012 7:18 pm

    Not sure, Meta. Some of the FWA legislation runs pretty counter to normal. I’ll check it out.

  28. Bacchus permalink
    April 26, 2012 7:38 pm

    Perhaps you should have a look at 7:30 ToM – There’s shiploads more to St Kathy and what she’s up to & the methods she uses than you’d have us believe 😉

  29. el gordo permalink
    April 26, 2012 7:57 pm

    Shorten caught short on Skynooze…

    Gillard’s ‘comments to reporters in Turkey came too late for Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten who was caught in a television interview not knowing what to say.

    “I support what my Prime Minister has said,” Mr Shorten told Sky News today.

    ‘Reminded he didn’t know what Ms Gillard had said the minister replied,” I’m sure she’s right.”

  30. April 26, 2012 8:06 pm

    How’s the hilarity!

    As egg points out..

    Shorten says he supports the position of the PM, but then admits that he doesn’t know what that is…!!!

  31. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2012 8:15 pm

    I reckon Shorten did that deliberately. He was making a point.

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2012 10:19 pm

    I heard the interview with Shorten.

    ” I have no idea what the Prime Minister said, and I’m not willing to express an opinion. But I agree with the Prime Minister”

    Personally, I’m expecting a fulsome and sincere retraction from the “non trolls”.

  33. JAWS permalink
    April 26, 2012 10:42 pm

    ”…………..I have no idea what the Prime Minister said,
    and I’m not willing to express an opinion. But I
    agree with the Prime Minister………”

    Wow !

    That’s what Stalin’s ministers used to say

  34. JAWS permalink
    April 26, 2012 10:44 pm

    Imagine the shit hitting the fan if John Howard
    had tried to put a union into administration ?

    Now we barely hear a whimper

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2012 10:45 pm

    Bacchus perhaps you could explain why it is so wrong for me to sugest that Thomson has “a case to answer, before the conclusion of a FWA legal process, whereas it is fine for Shorten to reach a conclusion about the HSU before the conclusion of a legal process.

    (I’m anticipating a fulsome “we were wrong” column within days!!)

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2012 11:02 pm

    “I blame the media”

  37. JAWS permalink
    April 26, 2012 11:14 pm

    I just saw the Shorten clip.

    I think he has just ruled himself
    out as a credible future leader

    That was bizarre

  38. Bacchus permalink
    April 26, 2012 11:25 pm

    Talk about false equivalence 🙄

    The government has entered the legal process against HSU East, with the support of the ACTU, the national executive of the HSU, and other branches of the HSU.

    You really do like talking shit don’t you ToM? Shorten has not “reached a conclusion” – he’s asked the court to reach a conclusion. Just because the government, via its minister, asks for a branch of a union to be placed in administration, doesn’t mean the court will agree.

    Why is the government acting? – simply because the faction war, mainly led by your hero Kathy Jackson, is trashing the union – the members are not being represented properly while all this crap is going on, so the government, ACTU, HSU national executive and six other HSU branches agree that this action is appropriate at this time.

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8457610

    Mr Brown said the East branch had been “haemorrhaging” members since the infighting between suspended HSU boss and East branch secretary Michael Williamson and national secretary Kathy Jackson became public.

    He warned that the stability of the entire union was at stake.

    “Obviously if things are to continue the way they are at the moment, with Michael Williamson and Kathy Jackson basically tearing the union apart, that branch is not going to survive,” he said.

    “If this doesn’t happen … I’m not sure that the other branches that are in the union are going to stick around and continue to be damaged by this.”

    Under Mr Shorten’s proposed administration scheme, the East branch will be broken up into the three separate branches that existed prior to an amalgamation in August 2010.

    All the elected positions will become vacant and the administrator will run the branch until fresh elections can be held, Mr Brown said.

    He said it wasn’t surprising Ms Jackson opposed the federal government’s intervention.

    “Of course she’s going to attack Bill Shorten on this,” he said.

    “Who stands to gain from this move? It’s the members themselves – not Kathy Jackson, not Michael Williamson, they stand to lose.”

  39. Bacchus permalink
    April 26, 2012 11:31 pm

    The relevant bit of 7:30…

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3489846.htm

  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2012 12:15 am

    A Smith/Shorten ticket will work, but they’ll have to fight like crazy to stay in power.
    The feminist barrackers won’t like it.

    Why is that?

    Not that I think labor should be knifing another leader, not a good look. I also think that Gillard has done exactly what Smith and Shorten would have done were they PM anyway.

    Tell me, what would changing leaders achieve? Labor has a policy platform as a party not an all powerful dictator that all MP’s must prostrate themselves before as in the Liberal Party [otherwise Rudd would still be PM].

    Unless it really is true that the australian electorate is not progressive or mature enough to tolerate a female PM, the shameful national misogyny.

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2012 12:26 am

    You are not allowed to disagree with Kittylitter otherwise you will be called one-eyed.

    Only if the evidence of that is to be found in your comments themselves.

  42. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2012 7:04 am

    This has been going on for a long long time. It’s difficult not to suspect an ulterior motive in Shortens actions.

  43. April 27, 2012 7:41 am

    “Kathy Jackson, is trashing the union”

    ROFLMAO!!!

    Yeah right, nothing to do with Thomson and Williamson spending up large with Union funds… 🙄

  44. el gordo permalink
    April 27, 2012 8:09 am

    ‘Tell me, what would changing leaders achieve?’

    The new leader would have to drop a lot of lead from the saddlebag to win, like the CO2 tax, but even this far out it appears uncertain that Labor can win even with a different leader.

  45. Bacchus permalink
    April 27, 2012 8:51 am

    Allegedly reb – Ms Jackson has form at setting up those who oppose her. She even tried it on with Shorten & Conroy, but was very quickly shot down in flames by Chris Brown:

    From 7:30:

    HAYDEN COOPER: Today the Jackson camp upped the ante, claiming in a union document that the two ministers tried to rally opposition to Jackson. Both ministers deny any involvement. The acting president backs them.

    CHRIS BROWN: I’ve seen no evidence of that whatsoever. What I do know, having known Cathy for a very long time is basically anyone that opposes her, you know, she will say those same things about.

    Then there were exactly the same allegations aimed at her ex as what are now facing Thompson… She’s a nasty piece of work that one, as it seems are most of those associated with this branch of the HSU…

  46. April 27, 2012 9:00 am

    “She’s a nasty piece of work that one”

    Isn’t that just “gossip?”

  47. James of North Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2012 9:04 am

    Shorten has not “reached a conclusion” – he’s asked the court to reach a conclusion. Just because the government, via its minister, asks for a branch of a union to be placed in administration, doesn’t mean the court will agree.

    Come on Bacchus, you don’t go asking a court to reach a conclusion unless it’s a conclusion you’ve reached yourself. That’s why there are courts, to “objectively” adjudicate between conflicting “subjective” conclusions.

  48. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 27, 2012 9:15 am

    It seems the yapping lapdogs of the ALP are not progressive or mature enough to tolerate a female union leader who calls out the real crooks in the movement. No doubt this uppity woman will go down hated and vilified for daring to take on the men at the heart of the corrupt cesspit that is Unionland.

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2012 9:26 am

    Bacchus, Shorten has been providing extensive interviews, during which he has expressed opinions.

    He’s expressed those opinions in advance of any finding by a court. So what is the factual, legal basis for him expressing his view about the HSU?

    How is Shorten’s willingness to express an opinion in advance of the conclusion of the legal process, so very different from my comments that Thomson “has a case to answer”?

  50. Bacchus permalink
    April 27, 2012 9:32 am

    Isn’t that just “gossip?”

    There seems to be a lot of that going on around here 😉

  51. Bacchus permalink
    April 27, 2012 9:47 am

    Well it’s not a foregone conclusion. Today the Government took the unique step of intervening in court proceedings between warring groups of the HSU. We have signalled today our intention to seek an administrator be appointed in the HSU East branch, which is the epicentre of lot of the problems which seem to be occurring. We’ve done this because we want to see the union return to the control of the members as soon as possible. Our application will signal that we want an administrator in, we want all of the people, the elected people, their positions declared vacant. We want to have an election as soon as possible. We’ve done this because there are 55,000 hospital cleaners, laundry attendants, catering staff and they – we can’t continue this situation of day after day of counter-claim and allegation and counter-claim and allegation. Unions in Australia are very good and strong institutions. This particular branch is clearly in a real problem.

    Mr Shorten is saying no more than “I, and the ACTU, your national executive, and six other branches of your union think this branch of the union is dysfunctional – you’re not representing your membership, I’ll ask the court to administer a good reaming.” He hasn’t accused them of anything other than being dysfunctional – no allegations of wrongdoing, or criminality, just a seemingly endless “war” destroying the union. He’s attempting to call a halt to that.

    And you are incapable of seeing the difference between this and your finding of guilt and execution of Mr Thompson based only on what one side of a union faction war wants you to know via the media, simply because it fits so nicely with your political viewpoint. 🙄

  52. Bacchus permalink
    April 27, 2012 9:53 am

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-27/branches-back-shortens-hsu-action/3975480

    HSU WA state secretary Dan Hill says the branches are backing the Government because they want fresh elections to be held.

    “I think it’s important that elections are held,” he said.

    “The appointment of an administrator is really the only vehicle that can lead to elections being held within the HSU East branch.”

    South Australia secretary Jorge Navas says he is backing the Government’s stance in the interests of union members.

    “The union in the interests of the Eastern branch members need to be looked after and at the moment that branch is not functioning like before,” he said.

    “We need to support any actions that will help resolve those matters.”

    Mr Hill says the infighting in the East branch has damaged the union’s image.

    “The factional battle… within the HSU East branch is having obviously a very disastrous effect on that branch and that reflects on the whole of the union nationally,” he said.

  53. April 27, 2012 9:54 am

    “He hasn’t accused them of anything other than being dysfunctional – no allegations of wrongdoing, or criminality, just a seemingly endless “war” destroying the union. He’s attempting to call a halt to that.”

    But, but, but…. Julia (Bill’s boss) has been saying all along that the Government should not interfere in the HSU/Thomson/Williamson scandal and leave it instead to FWA…

    To a cynic (heaven forbid there are any on this blog) Shorten’s (ie “the government’s) intervention could be seen as an attempt to make the whole sorry mess just disappear.

  54. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 27, 2012 9:56 am

    There is strong prima facie evidence against Thomson. He promised a detailed explanation but has not given it and has refused to co-operate with the police. Draw your own conclusions about whether you think this brings parliament into disrepute. Everyone bar the see-no-evil anything-to-keep-the-ALP-in-power rusted-ons have.

    The fact that Shorten can only see “dysfunctionality”, and then only becasue someone has challenged the corrupt union leadership, speaks to his Unionland antecedents and that the Thomson/Williamson rorting is merely business as usual in Unionland.

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2012 10:05 am

    ”finding of guilt and execution of Mr Thompson…”

    On the contrary, I’ve never said “guilty”, because I’ve not gone to criminality. I’ve also stopped short of seeking execution!

    My points have been-
    • No decent company would allow a leader to remain in their position with these issues unresolved.
    • Most companies would dismiss a senior employee if they declined to provide a response to questions of integrity, transparency, honesty.
    • A senior employee would be required to address these issues, even if the behavior occurred with a previous employer.
    • Thomson has declined various opportunities to explain himself.
    • Thomson has broken his (unconditional) commitment to provide a comprehensive statement.
    • On the balance of probability Thomson certainnly has a case to answer.

    Shorten’s comments about lack of service to members, dysfunctionality etc, is also simply an opinion. He’s advanced his opinion before any judicial outcome.

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2012 10:08 am

    It seems the yapping lapdogs of the ALP are not progressive or mature enough to tolerate a female union leader who calls out the real crooks in the movement. No doubt this uppity woman will go down hated and vilified for daring to take on the men at the heart of the corrupt cesspit that is Unionland.

    There may be some of that evident splatter, I’ll be very keen to know more. Unfortunately, kathy’s high flyer lifestyle [wage, houses etc] seem [to me] to suggest that she has participated in the largesse herself along with her former husband. She has also decided the way to bring about change is not working from within, but to bomb the place to bits and allow a hard working government to wear the fallout. Also working with the enemy [HR Nicholls Society, Liberals] is an act of betrayal to the union movement [workers] and what angers me the most. The timing of this has been too, too convenient for the Libs and their connections.

    I would like to think that her motives are pure but she’s been there too long, she could have spoken out years before and didn’t. I think they need a complete clean out and start anew with innocents chosen from the membership.

    I agree with tomm that the unions and labor should go their separate ways. The boys club of australian politics does need breaking up [on both sides].

  57. el gordo permalink
    April 27, 2012 10:23 am

    ‘I think they need a complete clean out and start anew…’

    Cathy would agree with you.

  58. JAWS permalink
    April 27, 2012 10:28 am

    This extraordinary largesse amongst the current day Labour movement in general was first evident amongst the New South Wales Branch. The NSW ALP gave the people of NSW the Obeid family, Joe Tripodi and his mates, Ian MacDonald and his mates, amongst many others. They feasted on taxpayers funds

    Now we see the extent of the largesse in the Union movement where Williamson and Thompson have feasted on HSU members funds.

    Where does it end ?

    Is this just the start of revelations yet to come ?

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2012 10:31 am

    Cathy would agree with you.

    Without her as well.

    I wonder how she’s going with that legal situation brought about by one of the HSU members [the whistleblower’s whistleblower] , apparently she’s silent on that subject.

    http://www.vexnews.com/2012/04/the-backlash-hsu-thugs-lash-out-at-whistleblower-daniel-govan/

  60. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 27, 2012 10:58 am

    “union movement [workers]”

    “Workers” is merely a figleaf slogan to cover the tumescent lust for power and moneygrubbing avarice of Unionland bosses.

    The union movement exists mainly to provide career opportunities to wannabe Labor politicians and lucrative employment to powerbrokers and faction bosses. The facade of helping workers is just that. Unionland is under-regulated. Thus it is hardly surprising that corruption and rorts are rife.

    “I would like to think that her motives are pure but she’s been there too long, she could have spoken out years before and didn’t.”

    Better late than never. And quite brave if she is taking the risk that her own skeletons come out of the closet. We would no doubt have a lot more information about Unionland rorts if there weren’t so many people in on them.

  61. Bacchus permalink
    April 27, 2012 11:09 am

    From KL’s article:

    On behalf of union members who’ve had a gutful and aren’t going to take it any more, HSU member Daniel Govan has charged HSUeast Executive President Kathy Jackson and her sidekick Deputy General Secretary Marco Bolano with gross misbehaviour and gross neglect of duty under HSU rules with a view to removing them from office….

    The HSU is in terminal condition because of the mismanagement, rampant corruption and wrongdoing of a few, very well-paid and cynical officials.”

    “Our union is so down and dirty that even the one complaining loudest about corruption has some very serious issues to answer herself. Maybe the best depressing aspect of being in the HSU is that the self-appointed whistle-blower is well-known among Victorian HSU members of being engaged in the same activities of which she complains.”

    “That’s why I’m blowing the whistle on Kathy Jackson and cosy, conservative cabal over which she presides.”

    “Members are out of pocket not just because our union leadership spends our money inappropriately but also because they are so thoroughly pre-occupied with fighting each other that they have neglected members on the basics, like our EBA and dealing with individual grievances.

    “HSU Victoria is in a state of crisis under Kathy Jackson and Marco Bolano.”

    “While I welcome the removal of Michael Williamson, and hope he is replaced soon, if he is replaced by Kathy Jackson, as some Sydney shockjocks seem to be pushing, Victorian HSU members are well aware we would be going from the frying pan into the fire, that’s why I’ve charged Jackson and Bolano with multiple counts of breaches of union rules and am urging their removal from office” Govan said.”

    I guess that’s it then ToM – Ms Jackson must be guilty and should be brought before the courts to face her comeuppance immediately, no-one should believe a word she says, after all, someone has made allegations of corruption against her 🙄

  62. el gordo permalink
    April 27, 2012 11:10 am

    ‘Without her as well.’

    Yes…but isn’t she the whistleblower?

  63. el gordo permalink
    April 27, 2012 11:15 am

    “That’s why I’m blowing the whistle on Kathy Jackson and cosy, conservative cabal over which she presides,” said Mr Govan.

    This is real citizen journalist stuff from Vexnews…luv it.

  64. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 27, 2012 12:58 pm

    Justice Flick in court yesterday:

    Judge Geoffrey Flick said the request was a “bit odd” and gave the government until the end of Monday. Justice Flick said it would not be enough to issue a “press release” in his courtroom about a “hypothetical application”.

    “I have a degree of scepticism as to the timing of this application,” he said. “The minister should have made it much earlier than today.”

    The stench is wafting through the courtroom.

  65. JAWS permalink
    April 27, 2012 1:20 pm

    “The stench is wafting through the courtroom.”

    Kinda like putting out a grass fire before it turns into a full on conflagration of the entire criminally corrupt Union Movement leadership.

  66. el gordo permalink
    April 27, 2012 1:22 pm

    ‘By all means let’s celebrate that we have a criminal law system that allows you or me or that 3 time burglar or even one of federal MPs not to have to talk to the police. Let’s celebrate that in Australia the prosecution on its own has prove the accused’s guilt even if the price of that is that a bunch of guilty people slip through the net. In the long term the good consequences of that outweigh the bad.’

    James Allan at Quadrant

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2012 1:36 pm

    Bacchus, if Kathy Jackson was an MP I’d be more concerned. Also if she’d broken a commitment to fully explain her actions.

    Jackson isn’t an MP!

    Call me old fashioned, but I think we should expect MPs to co-operate with police investigations, and to provide the comprehensive statements they commit to.

    When Jackson becomes an MP – I’m entirely happy to apply the same standards to her.

  68. Meta permalink
    April 27, 2012 5:33 pm

    (Yes; law, law, legislations, rules, regulations, summations everywhere, and not a decent drop to link. Although, ‘what happened yesterday’ seems to observe the usual format; a format perhaps preferred in honest serving men whose (self-)explanatory if-jailings are the straw-stuffed drosses of mainstream, (re)mediated memory(ies).)

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2012 7:19 pm

    It’s interesting that Slipper has produced documents to seek to clear his name. Who knows whether it will all clear him.

    But he’s provided his version of an explanation.

    That is exactly what Thomson has neglected to do.

  70. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 12:36 pm

    Oh boy

    I wonder who might have tipped him off ?
    “…………The union’s head, Michael Williamson, was intercepted allegedly attempting to remove bags of documents from the HSU East branch building in Pitt Street, Sydney, this morning.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/police-say-attempts-made-to-interfere-with-raid-on-hsu-offices-20120502-1xxzj.html#ixzz1tfvZolSj

  71. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 12:51 pm

    Now these Police raids are interesting because organizations are only obligated to retain accounting records for a period of 5 years. Therefore the years ending 30 June 2006 should still be held.

    However employment and salary records are required to be held for 7 years for workers compensation purposes.

    So these Police raids might not turn up any info on Thompson (since he left the HSU quite a few years ago). Williamson is another matter.

    So the question then becomes how efficient has the HSU been at destroying documents legitimately. My experience has been many organizations quite often carry very old records and only bother to destroy when they need the room.

    Some archive offsite and never bother to visit and destroy old records.

    Then of course the Police might ask American Express or the Banks to provide info as quite often they keep records much longer than required.

  72. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 12:55 pm

    Never a dull moment

    What did we all talk about before the ALP got into government ?

    In some ways I’m going to miss them once they are finally kaput.

  73. May 2, 2012 1:08 pm

    “What did we all talk about before the ALP got into government ?”

    We talked about the Howard government remember?

    I’m sure if Abbott gets in, he’ll give us plenty to talk about too….

    Although I reckon that the current government will go down as one of the most incompetent (in terms of self-inflicted damage) in living memory…

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2012 1:10 pm

    Relax. There will be plenty to talk about. Abbott, Hockey, Joyce, Heffernan, Mirabella, Bernadi, the Pyne Nut, the Shop-lifter and Clive Palmer if he gets up!!! The possibilities are endless.

  75. el gordo permalink
    May 2, 2012 1:22 pm

    Such hilarity…

    ‘Health Services Union head Michael Williamson was stopped allegedly trying to remove documents as police raided his Sydney offices this morning.

    ‘Mr Williamson was stopped in the car park of the union’s East branch building in Pitt Street, Sydney.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/union-head-allegedly-tried-to-remove-documents-as-police-raid-hq-20120502-1xxzj.html#ixzz1tg9lCAIV

  76. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 1:26 pm

    How incompetent are crooks these days ?

    He should have burnt shit like that months ago.

    And how did he get into the Office if he has been stood aside on full pay ?

    More questions

  77. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2012 1:28 pm

    Is it just me, or is anyone else wondering why Williamson was making off with documents today? I mean the bloke’s had 4 fkn years to clear the decks. Is he that stupid? That innocent? Or that comfortable that he’s protected?

  78. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 3:46 pm

    Someone just rang up on radio with a “TV scoop”

    Channel 9 have just given the go ahead for production of…………” Underbelly – HSU”

  79. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 3:50 pm

    So are we implying he will run on AC and DC power ………………?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Pyne#Personal_life

  80. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 3:51 pm

    Ooops wrong thread

  81. el gordo permalink
    May 2, 2012 5:49 pm

    ‘Mr Dyson said there was no political consideration in the timing of today’s raid and police had briefed no-one from the federal government.’

    That’s a bit inconsiderate.

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2012 5:53 pm

    … and police had briefed no-one from the federal government.’

    Yeah!!! 😀

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2012 6:07 pm

    egg, seeing as we don’t have a thread for “trivia” … just finished my second trial (guess who was spokesperson…? 😉 … elected while I was in the bloody toillet! 😯 )

    Both trials for “similar” charges, both verdicts, “not guilty” …

    I’m not required tomorrow …

    … and I’m relieved actually … very draining/tiring emotionally …

    … and intellectually, as some jurors didn’t “get” the “process” of law … ie innocent till proven guilty and beyond reasonable doubt … (I think the judge’s summation/directions helped greatly with one particular gentleman) …

    Reminded me of some commenters at TFR!

  84. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2012 6:32 pm

    At your age, TB, never waste a stiffy, never trust a fart, and never walk past a toilet.

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2012 6:47 pm

    At your age, TB, never waste a stiffy, never trust a fart, and never walk past a toilet.

    Hilarious, James, do you attempt jokes at parties too? 🙄

  86. May 2, 2012 6:58 pm

    That’ll be you one day James, sorry I mean “Snacty”…

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2012 7:08 pm

    That’ll be you one day James, sorry I mean “Snacty”…

    Nicknames annoy me, sreb 😉 … I think you mean “sanctimonious prick” … history can only be “changed” or “misrepresented” when some /or all of the proponents pass away … and the news is pretty bad for ya, James! 😀

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2012 7:12 pm

    I see the Robber Banks Barons are still fleecing the plebs … what a wonderful system capitalism has become … Über Greed Capitalism at itst worst! Nothing changes …

    The banks in this country are not much better than the fkn bikies!

  89. May 2, 2012 7:24 pm

    “history can only be “changed” or “misrepresented” when some /or all of the proponents pass away …”

    Well you’re ahead of me and snacty in the queue Mr Polyester…. 😉

  90. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2012 7:31 pm

    I think it’s from a movie, but my dad keeps saying it….and saying it…. And TBs reference to being caught short at decision time seemed relevant.

    On another note, Reb if you haven’t seen it, there’s a screamingly funny email exchange between a blogger and Yarra Trams worthy of a repost in my humble opinion. Reported in the Age.

  91. May 2, 2012 7:41 pm

    Sounds good James – do you have a link?

  92. el gordo permalink
    May 2, 2012 7:48 pm

    ‘… elected while I was in the bloody toilet!’

    Now that’s a novel approach.

    You’re a godsend for the other jurors who are generally shy and retiring.

  93. May 2, 2012 7:50 pm

    How hilarious!!!

    Craig Thomson proudly declares that he hasn’t been interviewed by the police as some sort of declaration of innocence…

    That’s because he refuses to talk to them!!!

  94. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 10:34 pm

    Plus Thomson claimed the police investigation was only into HSU East which he had nothing to do with.

    Sorry you filthy fucking cunt Mr Thompson but NSW fraud squad has confirmed their investigation goes back to the mid 1990s .

    Guess who has a reli on the fraud squad ?

  95. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 10:37 pm

    Kathy Jackson has made explosive claim on Skynews tonight that Williamson offered her a federal seat to shut the fuck up.

  96. el gordo permalink
    May 3, 2012 5:31 am

    More scandalous rumours and innuendo…

    ‘Police are also investigating claims that Mr Williamson was tipped off about the raid. His Maroubra neighbours told the Herald that the union boss, with his suitcase, was collected by his son Chris just after 8am yesterday.

    ‘Union insiders claim that after the allegations of widespread corruption within the union were revealed by the Herald last September, Mr Williamson’s close friend Cheryl McMillan, the HSU’s procurement officer, was seen shredding documents.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/union-boss-may-be-charged-after-police-raid-20120502-1xzhr.html#ixzz1tk5NkX8T

  97. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2012 9:08 am

    Sorry Reb, I can’t link from work as it contains “adult material” and I don’t know how to link from iPhone. But well worth the search.

    Just look up Yarra Trams email. Truly a needed ray of sunshine amidst all this sordid stuff. Gives one hope.

  98. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2012 9:35 am

    You know, it’s rare these days to hear the expression “Unions BOO”.

    It used to be attached to just about every anti conservative post.

  99. JAWS permalink
    May 3, 2012 9:43 am

    Posting Links from an iPhone

    1) Double tap on the address bar of the page you want to link and “Select All” should come up.

    2) Tap on it once

    3) “Copy” will appear. Tap on it once. Entire address bar will then become highlighted

    Using Google rather than Safari type in “The Farnham Report” and go to where you wish to post it i.e. Comments Section of TFR

    4) Double Tap and “Paste” should appear

    5) Tap on “Paste”

    Voila !

  100. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2012 10:04 am

    https://farnhamreport.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/bill-shorten-to-scrap-hsu/#comment-2391

    Wow it works!!

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2012 10:06 am

    How come you can do that, Wally, but don’t know how to “link’ here? 🙄

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    To: sreb, smartarse agist comment duly noted (I might start a list) … your not that far behind, Jummy! And buses don’t select on age 😀

  102. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2012 10:07 am

    http://haughtfeelings.wordpress.com/

    You need to click to the original email first then back to the response.

    Enjoy.

  103. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2012 10:08 am

    Just learned how to, TB.

  104. el gordo permalink
    May 3, 2012 10:20 am

    Very entertaining read James.

  105. May 3, 2012 11:23 am

    Sounds like I ought to hitch a ride on the 86 tram…!

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2012 11:53 am

    **Just learned how to, TB.**

    Was talking to Wally, mate, IATW, Walrus, Wally? 😉

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2012 12:16 pm

    ***Sounds like I ought to hitch a ride on the 86 tram…!***

    LOL! I just read it … brilliant … thanks, James (dontcha lurv sarcasm done well?)

    BTW, sreb, where did you just move to again?

  108. May 3, 2012 1:01 pm

    Very funny TB… I’m in the sophisticated surrounds of Southbank.

    The one in Melbourne, not to be confused by that tacky artificial beach of the same name in the middle of Brisbane.

  109. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2012 2:05 pm

    Has anyone had a look at the sheer extent of the allegations re- HSU?

    It’s a fair bit more than a few dalliances with hookers, that just makes it salacious.

    This story has not even begun, and I have to say, the ALP as it exists in this country, together with the trade union movement as it exists, may well be finished. That’s not to say that all unionists are guilty, far from it, or even all unions, but this is so big that certain senior people just cannot pretend to be ignorant of it, especially those who might have used the excuse of being young and naive when similar things happened previously.

  110. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 3, 2012 2:14 pm

    “That’s not to say that all unionists are guilty, far from it, or even all unions, but this is so big that certain senior people just cannot pretend to be ignorant of it, especially those who might have used the excuse of being young and naive when similar things happened previously.”

    Ain’t that the truth!

    Now is the time to shine a very bright light into the darker recesses of Unionland. And that is one more reason we need an election now – a government owned and controlled by unions is not going to actually investigate them in any meaningful way.

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2012 2:53 pm

    “… not to be confused by that tacky artificial beach of the same name in the middle of Brisbane”

    LOL! Don’t worry, most of us agree!

    Imagine one called Northbank on the other side of the river … luckily scrapped!

    FYI … my two weeks in the jury box was the first time in the city in four years!

  112. May 3, 2012 3:24 pm

    “my two weeks in the jury box was the first time in the city in four years!”

    I know! I found this pic of you this morning…… The teddie bear costume was a little bit over the top don’t you think?

  113. Meta permalink
    May 3, 2012 4:35 pm

    (Melbourne seems to have some nice establishments and parklands; but, one does wonder if pizza delivery is available to Crystal Club VIPs. Still, with generic corporations/governance regularities being mooted as next-best recyclable chimera for new-old shibboleths, the end is almost certainly nigh for prats.)

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2012 5:55 pm

    ***The teddie bear costume was a little bit over the top don’t you think?***

    That’s my chocolate coating, you Scottish git! Haggis ‘n’ scotch that’s all you shortbreads underrrrrrrstand … 🙄

    … and I just checked … jury duty is OVER! Back to the retirement! 😆

  115. May 3, 2012 5:57 pm

    I like the way you role your “r’s” TB… 🙂

  116. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 3, 2012 6:05 pm

    Very funny, reb!

  117. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 3, 2012 6:06 pm

    Except for role = roll? Probably laughing too much as you typed it!

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