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Julia Gillard: Past the Point of No Return.

April 30, 2012

Eyes wide shut

Julia Gillard returned from Gallipoli on Friday night to find support for her leadership crumbling as the government haemorrhaged over the Peter Slipper affair and Craig Thomson scandal.

She decided to act quickly (albeit belatedly) on these issues despite contradicting earlier statements that the Craig Thomson affair was a matter for Fair Work Australia (FWA).

As Michelle Grattan at Fairfax puts it; “Gillard’s spectacular U-turn on everything she’d said before on Craig Thomson and Peter Slipper has left her looking nakedly expedient, and further exposed the state of crisis within the government.”

“After months of declaring Thomson had her support, after a week of backing Slipper returning to the Speakership if he was cleared on criminal allegations, she wants us to believe she arrived back from Gallipoli and suddenly realised that the public see a dark cloud over Parliament?”

”I believe a line has been crossed here,” she said.

However, when pressed by reporters, MS Gillard was unable to elaborate on what she actually meant.

“What actually happened is that she and whoever she is listening to observed a storm enveloping the government that could threaten her leadership.”

”This is about shoring herself back up,” said an MP who supported Ms Gillard in February but is now despairing. ”I hope she does it for all of our sakes because no one is prepared to go to an election on [a primary vote of] 28 per cent.”

However, it may all be too little too late for the unpopular PM has who has been languishing in polls for months and faces almost certain annihilation at the next election.

Voters have never really warmed to MS Gillard, who unceremoniously knifed her predecessor in a bloody coup declaring that under Kevin Rudd’s leadership Labor was a party that had “lost its way.”

Under Julia Gillard it appears that Labor is a party that has now lost any sense of credibility.

 

 

 

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  1. April 30, 2012 9:21 am

    So Julia is unable to elaborate on what she meant by ” a line has been crossed” just like she was unable to elaborate on what she meant by “a party that had lost its way”….

    It’s all over for Julia. She’s finished.

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 30, 2012 9:27 am

    Has Michelle Gratten ever declared an ALP leader “dead” in such a harsh manner? When Gratten turns on an ALP leader, it’s over for them.

    Every problem that Gillard is dealing with is of her own making. She’s shown poor judgment continually, and exposes her inclination for duplicity spin over transparency.

    But apparently, it’s all the media’s fault. Though I’ve heard some say that some journalists might have a share of the blame too.

  3. JAWS permalink
    April 30, 2012 9:57 am

    The comedy continues.

    Clive Palmer is about to announce he will run against Wayne Swan at the next election.

    What did we do to deserve this ?

  4. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:05 am

    Gillard: “I do believe a line has been crossed here and because a line has been crossed, I have acted.”

    When was that line crossed? Why has she waited till now? What has changed?

    As far as shit is concerned Gillard is velcro, not teflon. She is like a deaf person walking down a medieval street, unable to hear the cry of “Gardez l’eau” as the chamber pots are emptied on her.

    She probably thinks acting now is a positive. Unfortunately the public thought the time to act on Thomson was a year ago. She is so politically tone deaf she didn’t realise this. Maybe she believed that spin can solve any problem.

    Anyway, acting now doesn’t improve her position much. And it certainly makes life miserable for her shills who argued to the bitter end that she didn’t need to anything. Now they have to turn on a dime in sync with Gillard in order to keep their tongues firmly embedded. Brown-nose Bill showed how it is done

  5. JAWS permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:17 am

    “……….Brown-nose Bill showed how it is done………”

    A lot has been said about Shorten’s performance on Sky News.

    I’m of the opinion that following his dressing down from Gillard his performance on Sky was his very own “OK Julia……………. Whatever Moment”.

    Especially noticeable was the rather snarky comment of “She must be right” at the very end of the exchange with David Speers.

  6. JAWS permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:19 am

    ” a line has been crossed”

    What …………..?

    “The Government has lost its way again ?”

  7. JAWS permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:22 am

    Palmer has also announced plans to rebuild the Titanic

    Oh boy………………..The Gods really hate us

  8. April 30, 2012 10:30 am

    Where’s Bacchus or Tom r to explain that this is all “clever politics” on Julia’s part…?

  9. el gordo permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:36 am

    ‘…unable to elaborate on what she meant by “a party that had lost its way”….

    I thought she made that perfectly clear in her earlier statement “we are us”…which requires little elaboration.

  10. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:39 am

    Reb, I suspect they are still digesting today’s talking points memo.

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:40 am

    It’s all too embarrassing for them. Last week they were defending Gillard’s decision to stand by them. Now they’d have to defend her decision to get rid of them.

    It’s all so difficult for anyone that holds with ‘I stand by my party, right or wrong’

    Still, they do apply the ‘blame the media’ mantra with commendable consistency.

  12. JAWS permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:47 am

    I suspect Baachus and TomR will just agree with whatever Julia says.

    That way Today they can agree with what she says today and Tomorow and Next Week ad infinitum.

    Much easier to keep up with what she says that way

  13. Meta permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:52 am

    (Fxckfxckfxk, a line has been xxxxed.)

  14. JAWS permalink
    April 30, 2012 11:09 am

    So when will the ALP actually realize that this is no longer about the survival of the Gillard Government but actually the survival of the ALP itself ?

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 11:17 am

    I think you’ll find that this is all Murdoch’s fault. The argument will go like this:

    It is the patently biased and unfair reporting that has made continuation with these two paragons of virtue untenable. Our noble leader resisted this pressure mightily, but in the end the evil Murdoch has so tarnished the reputations of these outstanding men that they could not continue. And so is our democracy debased by a virulently corrupt media.

    Shame on all the trolls who laughed and snickered at the salacious media lies. You have been distracted from the important achievements of this outstanding government by sensationalist tabloid journalism . I don’t know how you can live with yourselves!

    And when the PM, realising that these lies have had their malignant effect, acts decisively, as she must, to protect the reputation of parliament, you double down on her. You carry on a dishonest destructive campaign against a courageous leader and then, when she does what you demand, like a feckless fickle pack of hyenas, your condemnation grows yet more shrill. Such is the price of being a competent female PM.

    Then the rusted-ons will call for greater regulation of the media so Murdoch can’t spread his shameful lies and debase our democracy with destructive journalistic chattering. Can’t you see that the baseless leadership speculation is starting all over again?

  16. Tony permalink
    April 30, 2012 11:55 am

    Splatterbottom has just about nailed it, except he’s neglected to account for the Australian public’s inherent mysogyny, Welshism and rangaphobia.

  17. el gordo permalink
    April 30, 2012 12:19 pm

    A poll in the Age has 83% saying Julia should quit for the good of the party.

  18. April 30, 2012 12:25 pm

    Noone likes rangas.

  19. April 30, 2012 12:27 pm

    But she’s not even a real “ranga”…

    Even her hair is a lie!!

  20. Meta permalink
    April 30, 2012 12:32 pm

    (James Delingpole reckons the closer on target to someone else’s worst nightmare – real, imagined, or induced – someone gets, the more flak there is bound to be…9 days to go, with or without warnings to Mr Swan that enviable and world-leading economic lifestyles, good Treasury jobs, and nice Houses are at stake in the sport of kingmakers.)

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 30, 2012 12:32 pm

    A campaigning media does not seem to get noticed by those who have no sense of hypocrisy, forensic journalism, fairness or possession of long and short term memory. The ‘journalists as stenographers’ always works best for you people, you don’t even have to think it’s all done for you. Just react the way that you are told, that’s all you need to do.

    …Splatterbottom has just about nailed it, except he’s neglected to account for the Australian public’s inherent mysogyny, Welshism and rangaphobia…

    I think julia gillard has copped such animosity because for some reason, a certain type of person won’t have a female PM. Everything that has been done by JG to maintain government would have been done by TA as well, but the blinkers are on, can’t see the wood for the trees can you?. Can’t see that a hung parliament changes “the way that things are done”. They know that labor and the Libs are virtually indistinguishable on policy so it doesn’t matter who they vote for, nothing really changes. But when we have to deal with an actual democratic outcome, they cannot cope, howls of outrage because the cosy duopoly is challenged, it means other legislation gets in, it means the stranglehold on the political power of the two majors is broken. Oh, and business feel antsy when they can’t write their own legislation.

    We’ll all be rooned, the country is f*cked and it’s all her fault!
    The hysteria, anger and fear is ridiculous and quite irrational IMO.

    The government duopoly has been responsible for retarding our growth on socially progressive issues like gay marriage [parliament being out of step with community wishes] and has allowed the neoliberal economic agenda to bite [rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer]. It’s like living in a stagnant sewer, the stench and corruption of the two party system has brought us politics of sleaze over substance, it has rotted everything from the inside out.

    A lot has been said about Shorten’s performance on Sky News.

    Apparently Abbott has form on similar, but of course nothing is made of it. The Abbott free pass again.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/

    …Those of us with a relatively long political memory remember Abbott doing the same thing to John Howard, Peter Costello, Brendan Nelson and Malcolm Turnbull: he denied hearing the exact words but protested his undying support for the leader. Journos lapped that up, or at best let it pass, but for some reason Shorten has copped all at once the consistent scrutiny that might have done for Tony Abbott before it came to this…

    So when will the ALP actually realize that this is no longer about the survival of the Gillard Government but actually the survival of the ALP itself ?

    We can always have a Labor/Greens Coalition! I hope that the hung parliament and tight numbers situation becomes routine for australian politics. After all, do you forget that the opposition has been a long running coalition that exists purely to gain political power?

    Calm down, it really is going to be OK!

  22. April 30, 2012 12:36 pm

    Love that Clive Palmer is going to further soil the LNP by association with his hairbrained comments & ‘projects’.

    Anyone think they’ll actually take the risk & preselect him?

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 30, 2012 1:02 pm

    Anyone think they’ll actually take the risk & preselect him?

    He bought them, they will do whatever he wants!

  24. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 1:02 pm

    “Apparently Abbott has form on similar, but of course nothing is made of it.”

    D’oh! I forgot – AbbottAbbottAbbott.

  25. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 1:04 pm

    “He bought them, they will do whatever he wants!”

    Absolutely correct.

    Sort of reverse Craig Thomson – the ALP bought him and now he must accept suspension but still vote Labor.

  26. April 30, 2012 1:04 pm

    I’d like to think that, bought or not, they’re canny enough to see the danger of hitching a loose cannon like Loony Palmer to their bandwagon.

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 1:15 pm

    “I’d like to think that, bought or not, they’re canny enough to see the danger of hitching a loose cannon like Loony Palmer to their bandwagon.”

    Palmer and the LNP are already well and truly hitched. He’s paid a substantial dowry and is entitled to consummate the union. About the only thing they could to is convince him he has a better chance standing as independent and not run a Liberal candidate.

  28. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 1:20 pm

    Clearly Swan has managed somehow to goad Palmer to do this. It is about the only way he will hang on to his seat.

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 30, 2012 1:30 pm

    D’oh! I forgot – AbbottAbbottAbbott.

    And I forget, boltboltbolt

    I’d like to think that, bought or not, they’re canny enough to see the danger of hitching a loose cannon like Loony Palmer to their bandwagon.

    The ‘mainstream’ seem to have a high tolerance for clive and his antics. Loony has become the new norm in this age of tea party politics. Listen to the ravings of three quarters of the opposition, it really is ‘loons r us’. People have a chuckle, slap their knee and say “oh that clive, he’s so eccentric, ya gotta lurve him” he even manages to get on telly and in the papers as if he’s got something worth saying [and if they don’t give you space or you want hidden influence just buy them up aka packer, reinhart & murdoch jnr].

    How long has Dick Smith been trying? He gets hammered for daring to have a conscience as soon as he makes any public utterance. Anything that tries to raise the social harm and depletion of humanity that comes with neoliberal economic policy gets ignored and sidelined. But a tyrant and billionaire is the font of all wisdom even though he is largely a nutter and the profits go overseas!

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 30, 2012 1:40 pm

    It really is hilarious.

    For the past year those poor people have probably been thinking – ‘finally we have a chance of getting rid of the dickhead Swan’. Now they find their option is the nutcase Palmer!

    Right now people will be banging their heads on tables, screaming at the TV. Family pets should run for cover.

    Mobilise the riot police. There’s bound to be trouble tonight.

  31. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 1:46 pm

    Maybe Palmer is inflicted with the same sad mix of vanity, hubris and stupidity that led “The Donald” to think about standing for the Republican primaries.

  32. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 1:51 pm

    “And I forget, boltboltbolt”

    No one here has even mentioned Bolt, much less used him as part of a fallacious tu quoque argument.

  33. April 30, 2012 1:56 pm

    I was thinking very much the same thing, splatter.

    It reminds me a lot of Trumps ego stroking & need to be ‘heard’.

  34. April 30, 2012 1:57 pm

    Well now that Sir Les Patterson has officially hung up the two-tone brogues it seems that Clive Palmer is a fitting replacement…

    Sir Les had a bit more finesse though, admittedly…

  35. April 30, 2012 2:00 pm

    Did I mention how sickening Bolt is?

    Well…he is .

    Also, his rightwing clearing house germinates the seeds of indignant revulsion in many a Gillard hater (all of whom would quickly move on from hating Gillard to the next ALP hood ornament as Bolt changed tack. Beautiful, Pavlovian lickspittles).

  36. Meta permalink
    April 30, 2012 2:06 pm

    (Fxckfxckfxck, A-Blot-I-will-have-to-live-with-for-the-rest-of-my-humble-life almost retweets about Murdoch’s twitters about Slipper’s quippers about Ashby’s unmanaged media jitters; would that would be a fallacious use of a fallacious exclaim or a (re)fresh(ing) round of agenda-setting cheap talk?)

  37. April 30, 2012 2:07 pm

    Lost it’s way…

    Moving forward…

    Obbordunidy…

    Communidy…

    Working families…

    There will be no carbon tax under a party I lead…

    Malaysia Solution…

    Marriage equality….

    Andrew Wilkie…

    Complete confidence in Craig Thomson….

    Slippery Pete innocent until proven guilty…..

    Honestly, is there anything she can’t fuck up…?

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 30, 2012 2:12 pm

    No one here has even mentioned Bolt, much less used him as part of a fallacious tu quoque argument

    course not 😉

    AbbottAbbottAbbott made her hire Slipper

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abbottabbottabbott/

    The AbbottAbbottAbbott forced Gillard to hire Slipper

    To these questions, there is that familiar answer: AbbottAbbottAbbott:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_abbottabbottabbott_forced_gillard_to_hire_slipper/

  39. April 30, 2012 2:12 pm

    Palmer ought to prove popular in QLD…. They like that sort of total drongo up there…

  40. el gordo permalink
    April 30, 2012 2:19 pm

    The Bolter is pushing the line that we want an election and we need it now. This allows his loyal followers every opportunity to vent their spleen.

  41. April 30, 2012 2:20 pm

    From memory, teebee (where is Mr B?), isn’t too fond of him.

    I put that down to teebee not having been born in Nunuland, which surely grants him a greater measure of sanity than lifelong knuckledraggerz?

  42. April 30, 2012 2:22 pm

    Bolt’s been pushing that line since the very first day after the last election…& the one before.

    He is an arsehat. As predictable as FoxtardNews.

  43. el gordo permalink
    April 30, 2012 2:33 pm

    So what will arsehat do when Smith gets the ride?

  44. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 2:35 pm

    Armie: “course not “🙂

    I see what you’re saying now.

    But you are still missing the point. Whether or not Bolt originated the expression “AbbottAbbottAbbott” it now shows more than a million hits at Google. Presumably most of them are short-hand ripostes to the fallacious arguments of those who answer criticisms of Gillard by saying that Abbott is as bad or worse. Of course that is no answer at all. It is not a logical argument and even in terms of spin it is now counter-productive.

    I guess these days there is a Bolt under every bed, at least in the feverish minds of conspiracy theorists who can’t understand why this competent and dignified PM gets any criticism at all.

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 30, 2012 2:41 pm

    ‘Is there anything she can’t f**k up?’

    I think she’d be a better Treasurer than Wayne.
    ==========
    When they return to Rudd, in few months, Swan will say ‘I realise that many words were spoken in February, but Mr Rudd has provided the caucus with a range of assurances. I for one wish to say that I believe Mr Rudd will meet his commitments and I fully support his leadership’

  46. April 30, 2012 2:45 pm

    Nah, but there is a Bolter in (nearly) every head (of those whose squirting mirrors his own).

    I have no problem recognising the bad (& good) & bizarre done by this government…& I’ve never been much of a Gillard enthusiast.
    That doesn’t render Bolt’s inanities unmentionable or non-existent. They are a feature of the AustralianTeatardRight Political landscape.

  47. April 30, 2012 2:46 pm

    Above was a response to splatter’s …”I guess these days there is a Bolt under every bed, “

  48. Tony permalink
    April 30, 2012 2:52 pm

    Reb’s list reminds me of another inane slogan profound pronouncement from the leader of the biggest joke of a ‘government’ in living memory this memorable administration: Building a New Australian Economy Together.

    Whatever happened to that? I, for one, want my new economy, and I won’t be happy till I get it.

  49. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 3:09 pm

    Toilet, Bolt has some good criticisms of the government, but seems somewhat tepid when it comes to criticism of the opposition.

    There is definitely a place for his comments and he certainly has a large audience that is completely ignored by Fairfax and the ABC. What I don’t get is the Bolt Derangement Syndrome exhibited by so many. He is like Philip Adams – you know he is biased but he still makes some very good points. He should be taken as such. The shrieking of the BDS crowd only gives him more attention and makes him more popular with his own fervent supporters.

    Also, I have a lot more time for him after the anti-free speech court case bought by the Mordy-Litijus tribe.

  50. April 30, 2012 3:49 pm

    From Tony’s link…

    “Gillard envisions “a new economy which is prosperous and fair, creative and skilled; where mining and manufacturing flourish and services grow; where the government manages the economy for working people, for the future”.

    Yep, that’s really working out well for the manufacturing sector isn’t it…

    BTW, whatever happened to the “visionary” 2020 Summit??

  51. April 30, 2012 3:49 pm

    I think TB mentioned to me a while back that he’d be away for a couple of weeks…

  52. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2012 3:57 pm

    “BTW, whatever happened to the “visionary” 2020 Summit??”

    We should have another one. No new ideas were generated and no damage was done but the wanking classes felt a whole lot better about themselves. Cheap at half the price.

  53. JAWS permalink
    April 30, 2012 4:27 pm

    “………We should have another one. No new ideas were generated……………..”

    I agree

    The rebuilding of the Titanic could only surely be just the start.

    What about the Hindenburg ?

    The Mary Rose ?

    The Lusitania ?

    The Costa Concordia ?

    National Greatness awaits with no time to spare

  54. Tony permalink
    April 30, 2012 4:49 pm

    It’s hard to believe so many cliches and motherhood statements profound observations could be found in the one piece of verbal vacuousness exhilarating oration. . .

    “We will govern for a strong economy – and our success will be the country’s success.

    We understand the big changes at work in Australia.

    We understand the opportunities they create.

    We know Australia can be the winner in the Asian Century.

    We can choose to give working people a fair share of the resources boom and today’s economic strength – or allow only some to feel the benefits.

    We can choose to get ready for the future – or stand still.

    We can choose to face up to the hard decisions now – or take the easy way out today and leave all the hard decisions to our children.

    We can choose to stick together and win through – or squabble amongst ourselves and lose out.

    My line is very clearly drawn.”

    This Labor Government will make the right choices.

    We will build a new Australian economy.

    We will get working people a fair share.

    We will get the country ready for the future.

    We will see our nation stick together.

    We will see our nation win through.

  55. el gordo permalink
    April 30, 2012 5:04 pm

    TB is in court and SB is correct about the Bolter.

    To answer my own question, what happens when a new ALP leader emerges a year from the election?

    Will arsehat give him a fair go or remain true to form?

  56. el gordo permalink
    April 30, 2012 5:07 pm

    Methinks Mr Bolt will give the new leader a honeymoon period.

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2012 5:10 pm

    I think TB mentioned to me a while back that he’d be away for a couple of weeks…

    Not quite, I’m on my second week of jury duty … on my second! jury today (should finish Friday) …

    I still have a quick look at the “pig swill” 😉 … just don’t feel like commenting … not much point really …

    ToSY’s list is impressive … HOWEVER! I can see Tony Abbott (or John Howard) saying every line (substituting Coalition for Labor of course) …

    We are now utterly surrounded by political burp lines!

  58. Meta permalink
    April 30, 2012 5:16 pm

    (Unlikely; Stephen ‘the.troupes.dun.wan.im’ Smith has already had his wellwellwell poisoned once or more already.)

  59. April 30, 2012 5:17 pm

    “My line is very clearly drawn.”

    Is that the one that Craig Thomson and Peter Slipper crossed?

    Or a different “line” altogether…?

    How many lines are there…?

    How do we know when they are crossed, and who is (and who isn’t) crossing them…??

    Who is running this joint…????!!!

  60. Tony permalink
    April 30, 2012 5:27 pm

    That’s no list TB, they’re the closing lines of Ms Gillard’s Light On The Hill New Economy “speech”. 😉

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2012 5:36 pm

    TB is in court

    I am indeed, egg … the case I’m on now, is expected to run till Thursday/Friday … the last case ran for three days (instead of the expected four) because we reached a verdict before the judge’s directions …

    Means I will have been a juror for at least six maybe seven days … out of the ten …

    … earnings should be a grand total of around $700 … 😯

    … split with, The Minister, (I live in a socialist state*) 😉 … $350 “pin money” to save or blow … ain’t too bad …

    *normally an alcholoc state but I have a mild flu at the mo’ … 😦

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2012 5:37 pm

    That’s no list TB

    Whatever … FFS 🙄

  63. JAWS permalink
    April 30, 2012 5:40 pm

    The Temby Report into the HSU has been released according to Sydney Radio which is quoting some very large suspicious payments

  64. Tony permalink
    April 30, 2012 5:55 pm

    “There will be new jobs not done now – and there’ll be jobs that exist today that are done in new ways and demand new skills.

    Farmers with the skills to trade carbon credits.” 😯 🙄

  65. JAWS permalink
    April 30, 2012 6:00 pm

    “There will be new jobs not done now”

    Meaning we’ll be creating unneccessary work for ourselves ?

    Perhaps waterproofing caves…………..gathering firewood………………digging for clams ?

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2012 6:05 pm

    Talk about “thick” or just being “childish”? But then the mobile network is all we really need for the internet … or just keep replacing them copper wires they’ve served us well for a hundred years …

    Wonder if IT specialists existed in business before 1960? My first intro to business computers was in 1976 …

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2012 6:11 pm

    Just in passing, Clivey, won’t get my vote … and I do get to vote (or not) for him!

  68. el gordo permalink
    April 30, 2012 6:43 pm

    Meta I get your drift, but there is no one else.

    To save the party and go on to victory in 2013 we need a charismatic leader of the Weberian type.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2012 7:02 pm

    mmmm … was it something I said?

    Always had trouble being a “follower” …

    Did everyone’s Mum call at the same time?

    Ahhh … sent to Coventry? (Unique on a blog) 🙄

  70. April 30, 2012 7:15 pm

    Oh come on TB, it’s dinner time, and I’ve just had all the furniture delivered and am surrounded by boxes…

    It’s not all about you, ya know, ya jordy git! … 😉

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 30, 2012 7:17 pm

    How fascinating it is to review those rallying words of the PM! Inspirational!

    She really is an outstanding orator.

    “We are us!!!”

    (though please don’t include me in “us”)
    ———————
    I wonder whether someone could explain how –
    • When Gillard offloads Thomson without any more information than we had months ago, this is rationalised by her supporters.
    • When I suggest that Thomson “has a case to answer”, that’s “trolling”.

    I think a retraction must be close!

  72. el gordo permalink
    April 30, 2012 8:09 pm

    We have missed you TB, but I was in the middle of making a curry and…

  73. el gordo permalink
    April 30, 2012 8:18 pm

    Temby is overseas at the moment, but when he gets back he will look at this matter in more detail.

    ‘The report was also critical of the average $600,000 a year spent on union officials’ credit cards. Not only where there no guidelines as to kinds of acceptable expenditure but there was no requirement to provide documents explaining how the expenditure related to union business.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/health-services-report-reveals-where-union-millions-went-20120430-1xuq6.html#ixzz1tW8NarQb

    Why is everyone so critical of a little largesse?

  74. JAWS permalink
    April 30, 2012 9:56 pm

    Apparently if Slipper does not vote in the parliament for 2 consecutive months there must be a by-election in his seat unless granted leave of absence by the parliament. Under the regulations you cannot “take an electorate out” of the parliament for more than 2 months unless leave is formally granted

    So the indies will need to vote in favour of that when he will sitting in his office at parliament house on a salary of 330k.

    What a friggin mess

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:10 pm

    I was making chicken & vege soup, quite nice too!

    When you are allowed to talk TB I’d love to know what the juror gig is like – is it OK to reach a decision before judges direction? Open & shut case was it?

    BTW, if Rupert and James Murdoch ‘grilling’ is anything to go by, it’s a wonder anyone is ever found guilty of a crime or get sent to jail.

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:15 pm

    Do the ALP barrackers notice that every time Julia changes her position, they all just fall into line, with the flip?

    Gillard flips from her complete confidence in Thomson, to one where she kicks him out of the party. They enthusiastically flip from seeing the sense of her former position, to one where they staunchly defend the new, diametrically opposite one.

    “Slipper should return as Speaker as soon as he’s cleared of the cab charge issue” says Julia, echoed by her backers. Julia then says “he’s casting a dark cloud over the parliament, and has to go”. This is then vociferously endorsed by the followers.

    Do they bother to think for themselves?

  77. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:21 pm

    I liked Tony Abbotts point about what has happened to the ALP.

    It has gone from being Ben Chiefly’s Light on the Hill to Craig Thomsons Red Light on the Hill.

  78. Meta permalink
    April 30, 2012 10:33 pm

    (Apparently, right-angled triangles in Flatland are to be known by their edge-shadings; I say apparently only because some boldly allege it, others baldly assert it as fact, while yet others simply expect the proposition, if any, to be tested, before concluding that an octagon is a better fit, all things considered.)

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 1, 2012 5:39 am

    wadda we want? we want an election and we want it now! wah wah wah

    I almost wish julia would put them out of their misery and call it, but it is more fun this way!

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    May 1, 2012 7:26 am

    It’s not all about you, ya know, ya jordy git! …

    BS! 😆

    BTW I am not a Geordie! Wrong Riding … too close ta ‘t Pennines, Jummy! 🙄

    KL, will do!

    Gotta go – my civic duty calls … both same trials as yours, egg, this next appears more “serious” …

  81. May 1, 2012 7:42 am

    I would be barracking for a guilty verdict and the death sentence…

    Just sayin’

  82. el gordo permalink
    May 1, 2012 8:41 am

    ‘both same trials as yours, egg’

    Rape charges demand careful consideration, I let one guy off and sent the other one down.

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 9:47 am

    I presume the latest polls about the government’s plummeting popularity are rogue ones. But I’m sure good news is on its way!

    Because in a few days we’ll have wall to wall Wayne, spruiking his surplus! Wayne is such an asset.

  84. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 1, 2012 9:57 am

    “I presume the latest polls about the government’s plummeting popularity are rogue ones.”

    As the PM is wont to say: “Scoreboard!”

  85. JAWS permalink
    May 1, 2012 9:57 am

    In view of the interim report into the HSU I think the time has come for massive changes to the way Unions operate in this country.

    Even registered clubs have stronger disclosure requirements to their members than the Unions seem to have.

    How a union leadership with 70,000 paying members can get away with this shit for so long is almost incomprehensible.

    Time for much greater accounting disclosure plus compulsory appointment of auditors.

    Public Companies have to do it so do Registered Clubs. Even friggin Strata Titles have to do it.

    No more excuses

  86. JAWS permalink
    May 1, 2012 10:01 am

    It will be interesting to see how the ALP will soften the impact of the Carbon Tax once they get rid of this truly abominable PM. The Greens are not going to support a drop in the Carbon Price from $23.

    Will the Coalition support a drop in price or insist on abolishing it altogether ?

    Here comes a wedge …………….

  87. May 1, 2012 10:01 am

    Fair Work Australia are looking into that Jaws.

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 10:24 am

    but, but, but… Craig is innocent of everything!

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 10:38 am

    Did anyone see Bernie Fraser on the 7.30 Report last night? He referred to the insulation & BER programs as “disasters” which had given government spending a bad name. He also said the focus on the surplus was poor policy driven by politics rather than by economics.

    When Bernie Fraser starts to use language so critical of ALP policies, it’s over for them. Still, perhaps he’s looking for a job with Murdoch.

  90. el gordo permalink
    May 1, 2012 10:45 am

    ‘Here comes a wedge …………….’

    Yes indeed.

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 1, 2012 10:46 am

    stool pigeon news:

    http://www.vexnews.com/2012/04/brisbane-buzzes-was-james-ashby-paid-50000-to-make-his-sexual-harassment-complaint-against-slipper/

    …Speaker Peter Slipper’s sex harassment accuser James Ashby could be in sorts of legal trouble if rumours wildly circulating Brisbane about him receiving an undisclosed $50,000 payment to bring his Federal Court case are true.

    Some even claim that a well-known Slipper nemesis on the Sunshine Coast arranged the payment. We’re not yet willing to name the person but he is a senior political figure…

    …Ashby, said to have been a troubled lad by those who knew him well at Caloundra High School, is widely understood in political circles to have been paid to make the claims he has made.

    “[jaws]…In view of the interim report into the HSU I think the time has come for massive changes to the way Unions operate in this country…”

    Yes it’s time, and time for Labor [if they don’t want to break from unions completely due to a shared history], to at least force some changes to their constitution so that unions do not have such power within the party.

    While on that theme, the Liberal Party could do with reform too, business buys as much influence in the Libs as the unions in Labor. Stacked branches and pre-chosen candidates parachuted into the selection process. Both parties share the staffers who are MP’s in waiting.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 11:07 am

    Yes AO. Latest data is that union membership is now about 14% of the private sector, but still over 40% in the public.

    It’s about 18% of the whole workforce, less than one in 5! But unions still dominate the ALP.

    Even the 14% in the private sector is generous, a fair proportion of that is made up of the former public utilities – Telstra, Qantas, Commonwealth (and state) Bank, various railways, power stations, electrical distribution…

    I think Dave Oliver will do a good job at the ACTU, and Ged Kearney is engaging (for a nurse!), but unions represent the “old” economy. Youth have no sense of being part of a collective, so the decline will continue in every area, other than their control of the ALP.

  93. JAWS permalink
    May 1, 2012 11:16 am

    Vex News seem to be banging on about Ashby alot but have yet to produce a shred of evidence. Just more rumours about rumours

    And yesterday after the HSU Report (which was all about Williamson et al) was unveiled it put up a photo of Kathy Jackson with the word “Crooks” plastered across it.

    Strange website

  94. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 1, 2012 11:56 am

    Vex is sometimes entertaining but mostly nasty and defamatory. The ratbag proprietor, Andrew Landeryou, is sometimes referred to as Slanderyou, which is pretty much what he does to his factional enemies. He can be counted on to obsequiously follow the Labor right line in any argument and generally hates leftists and Liberals (in that order).

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 1, 2012 12:36 pm

    Yet another taxpayer funded party political campaign doorstop by tony abbott

    yada yada yada “the families of australia,” yada yada yada ‘the families of australia”

    journo asks a question:

    just another day talking to “the people of australia” getting on with the job of talking to “the australian people” naff naff, dribble “I can assure the australian people”

    yeah tony, we know you badly want to be PM!

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/property/nation-of-lossmaking-landlords-20120430-1xuh4.html#ixzz1ta0nmOSc

    …The Australian Taxation Office (ATO) has released its Taxation Statistics for the 2009-10 financial year, which once again revealed that Australia is a nation of loss-making landlords.
    According to the ATO, there were 1,751,679 property investors declared to the ATO in 2009-10 – representing one in seven taxpayers – an increase of 59,235 from the 2008-09 financial year.
    Total losses on investment properties were $4.810 billion in 2009-10, or $2746 per property investor, down from $6.528 billion ($3857 per investor) in 2008-09…

    Billions in service revenue lost to people, time for this taxpayer funded rort to go.

  96. el gordo permalink
    May 1, 2012 12:59 pm

    ‘…and generally hates leftists and Liberals (in that order).’

    Funny that.

    —————-

    Julia has past the point and should theoretically throw in the towel, so I am going to assume the hard men will approach her soon.

    She might get pissed off and sulk on the cross benches, but this is unlikely to happen if the stench remains.

    My guess is that she will quit the party when the smell goes away and become an independent (she is too young to retire) and form a new party…Green Agrarian Socialist Party (GASP).

    This is pie in the sky, but I’m watching the Greens/National alliance in NSW and it has promise.

  97. el gordo permalink
    May 1, 2012 1:13 pm

    First things first…to find a replacement.

    ‘What Labor needs in order to put a floor under the primary vote is someone who can be an effective counterpoint to Tony Abbott; who can talk credibly to Labor’s base; who is steady under intolerable pressure; and who can cut through in the media.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/labor-on-the-critical-list-20120501-1xw40.html#ixzz1taGqMpYe

  98. JAWS permalink
    May 1, 2012 1:23 pm

    From Left Field……………………….Bob Carr !

    If they can “retire” Peter Garrett ( but just how safe is a former very safe Labor seat these days).

    Olld Bobby could then return to his former electoral stomping grounds of Coogee/Maroubra but in the HoR.

  99. JAWS permalink
    May 1, 2012 1:42 pm

    But dont expect anyone from NSW to vote for him as PM

  100. May 1, 2012 1:57 pm

    “From Left Field……………………….Bob Carr !”

    I was thinking that this morning myself…

    Bob has cred and attitude, but you’re right about NSW voters……

  101. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 2:02 pm

    Joe Hildebrand has a pretty good take on it.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/joehildebrand/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/community_service_announcement/

    I don’t entirely agree with him on where/when it all went wrong. I think it all went wrong back when they elected Latham as leader, and again when they put forward Kevin Rudd. It was then that the ALP showed themselves to be so far removed from the reality of their constituents and that has been their problem all along.

  102. May 1, 2012 2:10 pm

    I’ve given you the answer I’m going to give you.

  103. el gordo permalink
    May 1, 2012 2:13 pm

    Carr looks good in the senate, handling foreign affairs, so in the spill ahead we should leave him alone. He is the personification of the elder statesman.

    In the race to the wire Shorten must have made a gaff, because he has slipped behind in the odds. Smith moved into the gap and now sits three lengths back, behind the Ruddster and Julia.

  104. May 1, 2012 2:32 pm

    “Shorten must have made a gaff”

    I think the bit about agreeing with whatever Julia said, without knowing what she said apparently made him a laughing stock …

  105. May 1, 2012 2:32 pm

    RBA CUTS CASH RATE BY 50BPS TO 3.75%

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 2:36 pm

    Moving to Smith would be admitting defeat. He’s wooden, humorless.

    Shorten is a perennial boy, he’s not up to it and it is remarkable that he is favoured over Combet.

    Bringing Carr out of retirement to be FA minister is one thing, it’s quite a step to the suggest he could be PM.

    If there’s going to be any elder statesmenpeople parachuted in, I demand Paul Keating!

  107. el gordo permalink
    May 1, 2012 2:50 pm

    Its not about personalities, more to do with platform and limiting the damage in the coming election.

    Oh for a quiet achiever.

    Smith was favorite last August, but Julia somehow dampened that down. The lass is ok at infighting but lacks the big picture.

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 1, 2012 3:11 pm

    Carr is credible and has the virtue of not wanting to hold on to the job for too long. He would do as well as any of the others in limiting the impending carnage. Shorten would probably go along with this as it gives him a chance to recover from his recent gaffe and build his reputation.

  109. el gordo permalink
    May 1, 2012 3:31 pm

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if Bob Carr wasn’t prime minister before the end of the year.”

    John Hewson

  110. JAWS permalink
    May 1, 2012 3:40 pm

    Did Hewson mean to use a double negative ?

  111. JAWS permalink
    May 1, 2012 3:45 pm

    Anyway further to Slipper he can only be sidelined (from voting in the HoR) for a max of 2 months before there is an automatic by-election for his seat.

    This means that he either returns to parliament as another Indie (who knows what way he’ll vote then) or Windsor and Oakshott will need to support him with a vote of confidence as Speaker again.

    The extraordinary weirdness of it all continues.

    I think this whole thing (the Government) will fall apart by July

  112. JAWS permalink
    May 1, 2012 3:47 pm

    Heard on Sydney Radio.

    “I know what line has been crossed”

    “Julia’s Finish Line”

  113. JAWS permalink
    May 1, 2012 3:48 pm

    “Moving to Smith would be admitting defeat. He’s wooden, humorless.”

    As opposed to Kevin ?

  114. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 1, 2012 3:52 pm

    I’m just exhausted now. Hildebrand got at least this much right: “anything is better than a leader you simply cannot believe.”

    It is time these venal fools were sent packing and the matter referred directly to the people. Where is John Kerr when you need him?

  115. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 1, 2012 4:26 pm

    Smith is contemptible. He is way too far up himself to think he should apologise for his dishonest grandstanding. He didn’t give a shit about trashing the reputation of a man who was found to have done nothing wrong. In fact he confirmed his own arrogance and stupidity by proudly saying he did not resile from his earlier comments. That kind of arrogant stupidity is part of Labor’s current malaise.

    Making Smith leader would send a message loud and clear to the Australian people that Labor has learned nothing from the abject failures of this rotten government. The first step would be to admit your own fuck-ups. Smith is clearly incapable of doing this.

    The only time Labor has admitted mistakes was when they said it was all Rudd’s fault and then humiliated and knifed him. And then they went and did it all again, just grubbier and sleazier than before. Even long-time Labor supporters are sickened by this lot. It’s time … to put them out of their misery.

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 1, 2012 5:22 pm

    I think there should be no reward for shorten, conroy and all the other right wing power brokers who have resided over the destruction of the party.

    Oh for a quiet achiever.

    That would be Greg Combet wouldn’t it?
    Perhaps he would be just the person to clean up the union problem.

    I have a soft spot for John Faulkner though, he has integrity and principle.

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 5:29 pm

    Combet is capable but a little too grumpy. He’s far more capable than Shorten, but Shorten is always available for photo.

    Bike riding and pink lycra await Bill.

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 1, 2012 6:22 pm

    Annabel Crabbe’s take on this:

    From beginning to end, the Health Services Union affair has been marked most notably by the extent to which most of its principal protagonists have missed the point. It’s not about Craig Thomson. It’s not about the survival of the Gillard Government. It’s not about the ALP, or the struggle for supremacy within the union itself, with its Byzantine maze of poisonous tunnels and interconnections. To a large extent, it doesn’t even matter who was there at the brothel, or whether there was (excuse me) a second shooter.

    The point of the HSU affair – and its most galling scandal – is that a large number of poorly paid workers have systematically been fleeced, over a period of time, by people who were supposed to look after them.

    That a Labor Government could not – even over four years – adequately address this situation, let alone redress it, given all the legislative, regulatory and moral authority at its command, is a deeply significant element to this story.

    On the ‘second shooter’ theory, sources close to the investigation tell me that when the brothel-keeper was asked what services were provided for $2475 the reply was (in a thick Eastern European accent) “He have party”.

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 1, 2012 7:20 pm

    This ben eltham piece is more in tune with my thinking

    http://newmatilda.com/2012/05/01/stench-gillards-labor

    …If you need an example, look no further than the way Julia Gillard has failed to contain the damage from the Craig Thomson and Peter Slipper scandals. It’s not just that each scandal, handled early and decisively, might never have become a major issue in the first place. It’s not just that, by allowing the Thomson affair in particular to run on and on, the government essentially guaranteed it would one day spiral into a situation beyond its ability to control. And it’s not just that, in the case of Peter Slipper, the reason he is even in a position to hurt the government is entirely because of a tactical power-play executed in order to walk away from an electorally popular policy regarding poker machine reform.

    The real problem for Labor is what the sum of all these little tactical side-steps and back-flips add up to, and what they signify about the modern Labor party. The modern Australian Labor Party is fundamentally broken as a political institution. It no longer enjoys the support of a broad coalition of progressive voters. Indeed, it is constantly losing supporters to the more intellectually coherent and ideologically pure minor party on its left, the Greens…

  120. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 7:47 pm

    Julia was gone the second Shorten raised the white flag in that interview. Talk is Fitzgibbon has withdrawn support. Could happen tonight.

  121. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 7:51 pm

    Kittylitter, that analysis could be right, except that the Coalition a running a primary of 51%. the votes aren’t leaking to the left.

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 8:05 pm

    It’s all just too hilarious. Gillard has the ALP at 27%!

    They’re 10% on 2PP below where Rudd had them, you know, when ‘they’d lost their way’ so much that Gillard had to knife him.
    =========
    I agree with Eltham. They are an utterly unattractive cohort of opportunists.
    ==========
    Did I mention that I was a union official? Probably. In my day, unions didn’t have any ‘rules of governance’. Officials were motivated by a willingness to work and work (with very ordinary pay) for the satisfaction of being part of something worthwhile.

    The only governance was that the branch secretary would have the balls of anyone who didn’t wisely spend the members money. We even had to buy our own drinks at the John Curtin!

    The behaviour of Thomson and his ilk is repulsive.

  123. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 8:20 pm

    I think that pretty much nails it, ToM. The absence of any real acknowledgement that wrong has been done.

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 1, 2012 8:30 pm

    Labor haven’t been up to the task and caving in to industry lobbying has really hurt them. People look to Labor to control the excesses of big business power. I believe Julia Gillard has an enthusiastic neoliberaI agenda, it shows in the education and disability schemes and the right wing union demands that kowtows to.
    I wonder who thought it would be good idea to NOT implement the pokies reforms, something the electorate wanted, why did Labor think that would be acceptable to the community? I know a lot of people were really angered by Labor turning it’s back on pokies reform, it was the last straw.

  125. el gordo permalink
    May 1, 2012 8:37 pm

    ‘it is constantly losing supporters to the more intellectually coherent and ideologically pure minor party on its left, the Greens…’

    I don’t think this is happening.

    —————–

    Splatter, your comment that Smith ‘didn’t give a shit about trashing the reputation of a man who was found to have done nothing wrong.’

    That’s probably true, but its not enough to kill his chances of becoming PM. The average voter is unconcerned by this minor fault.

  126. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 1, 2012 9:57 pm

    Kittylitter, do you understand the fallout from the pokies reforms? That was the perfect case of the PM having no understanding of the constituency. She should never have made the promise. Those Labor members were going to cross the floor, and she certainly wasn’t going to get support from the Indies. Now I don’t like pokies any more than you do, and in Victoria they serve no useful purpose at all. But in NSW and Queensland, it’s an entirely different story. It’s the perfect illustration of what’s wrong with Gillard and the “Left”.

  127. JAWS permalink
    May 1, 2012 10:19 pm

    The ALP leaking to the Left ?

    Now that’s funny . But that would really only explain maybe 5% of Green voters since there are always 8% who are intellectually bankrupt in voting intentions.

    Believe what you want kitty but swan standing up to mining billionaires is not what people want to hear.

    At least billionaires know what they are doing.

    Gillard and swan have destroyed the east coast economy. The RBA now has to rescue it.

    If swan thinks he can lead a billionaire bashing recovery then ……………

    Well I’m not surprised that he would think that

  128. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 1, 2012 10:24 pm

    “The average voter is unconcerned by this minor fault.”

    More to the point, that fault – never do the decent thing and apologise because you can spin your way out of anything – is received wisdom within caucus. Thus they may well make him PM.

    The average voter may not hold this particular issue against Smith, but the attitude it represents will prove fatal.

  129. JAWS permalink
    May 1, 2012 11:06 pm

    There has been rumour that Swan will not contest the next election.

    So if they elect Rudd as a pm what’s the bet he will pull the plug immediately since they hate each other

  130. el gordo permalink
    May 2, 2012 6:54 am

    SB the particular issue was unfortunate, but as it concerns a subculture and only one man was dudded (temporarily) it is unlikely to have negative ramifications for Smithy.

    Anyway… the whole leadership thing remains pure speculation and there is a reasonable chance that they will all go down with the ship…. with Julia at the helm.

  131. el gordo permalink
    May 2, 2012 7:04 am

    ‘While there is an increasing feeling in Labor that something must be done, the party is stuck for a solution. Mr Rudd is still deeply unpopular with many MPs, and the alternatives, who include Mr Shorten, are not seen as having sufficient electoral pull.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/leadership-talk-rumbles-in-capital-20120501-1xx59.html#ixzz1tecd9DDJ

  132. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2012 9:09 am

    Gordo, the officer has been vindicated. The problem is that Smith has shown himself to be incapable of admitting his slanderous mistake. That may be either because of bad political judgment or because Smith is an arrogant prick. Either way Smith has not done himself any favours. If he is elected leader by the ALP, a lot of people with friends and family serving in the defence forces will not have a favourable view of him.

    This seems to be indicative of a tactic of identifying a person for a vindictive hate attack. This usually involves going in so hard that apologising when you get it wrong is unthinkable. Attacking fellow politicians like this has long been part of the game, but I don’t remember a time when demonisation of individual citizens was a common tactic. It seems straight out of the Alinsky handbook – identify, isolate, polarise, attack.

    “there is a reasonable chance that they will all go down with the ship…. with Julia at the helm.”

    Could be. Those drenched in Rudd’s blood are unlikely to admit they made a massive mistake. There are too many of them and they are too powerful to be brought to heel. Hence this surreal charade rolls on to its logical concluson.

  133. May 2, 2012 9:20 am

    “Those drenched in Rudd’s blood are unlikely to admit they made a massive mistake. There are too many of them and they are too powerful to be brought to heel.”

    Agreed.

  134. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 9:23 am

    Federal Police finish assessing evidence and criminal investigation now launched.

    The government will be goneski by July I reckon.

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/afp-launches-investigation-into-slipper-20120502-1xxy6.html

  135. el gordo permalink
    May 2, 2012 9:23 am

    Breaking Nooze…

    HSU offices raided by police!

  136. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 9:29 am

    I wonder if the parliamentary super scheme works the same as a number of others in that it is based on the highest salary or average salary of the last 3 years.

    In which case if Slippers gets turfed from Speakers job he would be financially better off pulling the plug on politics rather than have his average reduced by going onto a backbench salary.

    He seems the type to do his sums that way.

    In fact the way he goes about things he should be given an honorary doctorate in accounting
    🙂

  137. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 9:46 am

    “HSU offices raided by police!”

    I doubt they’ll find much.

    Perhaps an incinerator filled with ashes and melted hard drives

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2012 9:48 am

    Really, the government is a rabble.

    It would be a huge climb down by the warlords to support Rudd, but when 50 ALP MPs look like being exMPs, there might be some focus, and even a little rebellion from factional control.

    Dishonest people can rationalise anything and any behaviour. Factional warlords should find it a chinch to justify the change in their support.

  139. JAWS permalink
    May 2, 2012 9:49 am

    “………Now I don’t like pokies any more than you do, and in Victoria they serve no useful purpose at all. But in NSW and Queensland, it’s an entirely different story.”

    Yes Yes Yes and Yes

    They are deeply entrenched in pub, club and NRL culture up here

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