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FWA to Take Craig Thomson, Kathy Jackson and Michael Williamson to Court!

May 7, 2012

Fair Work Australia will take two current and one former Health Services Union officials and a union auditor to the Federal Court over 181 workplace law and union rule contraventions.

FWA general manager Bernadette O’Neill said in a statement on Monday the investigation into the HSU’s national office had found an organisation that “abjectly failed to have adequate governance arrangements in place to protect union members’ funds against misuse”.

The latest revelations have been made in a statement by Fair Work Australia’s general manager Bernadette O’Neill, which was released today.

Ms O’Neill says the investigation reveals an organisation that abjectly failed to have adequate governance arrangements in place to protect union members’ funds against misuse.

“Substantial funds were, in my view, spent inappropriately including on escort services, spousal travel, and excessive travel and hospitality expenditure,” she said.

She says the contraventions involve the HSU national office along with two current officials, a former auditor, and one former official.

Ms O’Neill says the majority of contraventions relate to the former official but will not name the officials concerned for privacy reasons.

However, here at the Farnham Report, with thanks to our exclusive sources, we can reveal that the union officials concerned are believed to be general secretary Kathy Jackson, stood-aside president Michael Williamson and the former official Craig Thomson.

 

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  1. May 7, 2012 12:22 pm

    Breaking Nooze!!

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 12:40 pm

    So, does this represent “a case to answer”?

  3. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 12:45 pm

    Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

    That joint was audited ??????????????

    I’d love to know by whom

  4. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 12:49 pm

    Craig Thompson’s eyes are as expressionless as a white pointer shark’s. They just stare blankly with a certain “darkness” eminating from them.

    He gives me the creeps everytime I see him

  5. May 7, 2012 12:53 pm

    But it’s all just a media beat up!

  6. May 7, 2012 12:56 pm

    Craig Thomson says the FWA investigation is “nothing short of a joke”:

  7. May 7, 2012 12:57 pm

    says the report is “beyond the power of the FWA..”

  8. May 7, 2012 12:57 pm

    says “the investigation conducted by the FWA delegate was not authorised..”

  9. May 7, 2012 1:13 pm

    “The 181 contraventions relate to breaches of the HSU’s rules and workplace laws, with 105 potentially attracting civil penalties.”

    “The great majority of contraventions relate to the former official,” Ms O’Neill said.

    (the “former official” is Craig Thomson)

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/hsu-officials-to-be-taken-to-court-by-fair-work-australia/story-e6frfkvr-1226348768902#ixzz1u9M6EkmG

  10. May 7, 2012 1:14 pm

    I’d say he’s in the poo.

  11. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 1:20 pm

    181 contraventions is a large number

    But I guess plenty are procedural things like not informing FWA of a change of an elected official’s home address or failing to lodge things on time.

    The largest corporates have those types of problems all the time.

  12. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 1:39 pm

    Thommo’s flipped his lid.

  13. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 1:47 pm

    I wonder what his wife has got to say these days.

    She penned one article defending him I think its time for another

  14. el gordo permalink
    May 7, 2012 2:06 pm

    From the Thomson statement.

    ‘The Police have made it clear that there is nothing in the Fair Work Australia Report that is of a criminal nature.’

    Pity…a speedy criminal trial would be greatly appreciated.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 2:16 pm

    It has always been the case that Thomson acted entirely inappropriately, and in a manner that would have seen him dismissed from about any other position.

    No doctor, teacher, manager, accountant… would have lingered in their job the way Thomson has managed.

    While it’s good to see acknowledgment of that here, the fact remains; many have adopted an incredibly blinkered approach to the defence of Thomson.

  16. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 2:19 pm

    Malcom Farr…….it’s all just an isolated thing. Howes is only on $140k you see. Nothing to see here.

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/union-movement-trying-to-fight-off-hsu-disease/

    Maybe a good senior journalist might ask a few deeper questions than to take the union salary of a union official as proof that this is the start and finish of it. Maybe a good senior journalist might ask how so many senior union people couldn’t see what was so obvious from the circumstancial evidence. especially those who had been “victims” before back when they were “young and naive”. Maybe a good senior journalist would look at all of this and wonder whether he might look at the accounting standards and regulatory oversight required of Industry Superannuation Funds and wonder whether the story is deeper and more widespread. Instead we get this…..

    Ring Ring…..

    “Howesy, it’s Farrsy how the fark are ya?’

    “Yeah?? That’s great mate!! Real Great!!”

    “Hey mate, I know it’s a bit rude but what does that union pay you for your efforts?”

    “SHIT!! $140k is that all?? Fark me you’re in the wrong union……Har Har”

    “Yeah, well at least we can say your “not at the trough” then, hey?”

    “Yeah good mate, gotta run, deadlines you know. News Ltd isn’t FWA ya know……Har Har Har”

    “Hoo Roo”

  17. May 7, 2012 2:42 pm

    Now that Gillard has finally, FINALLY, finally cut Thomson adrift from the Labor Party, it appears that Thomson has announced that he’s going to “defend himself” in court…

    That should be hilarious…..!

    No more Labor funded lawyers for Thomo…

    I can imagine what his defence will be …

    “It wasn’t me…”

    “It was someone else..”

    “Who looks a lot like me..”

    “No one saw me do it…”

    “You can’t prove a thing….”

    “I wasn’t even there….”

  18. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 7, 2012 3:05 pm

    The line that was crossed was when it became apparent that Labor could not avoid releasing the FWA report.

    Yet Labor still governs by the grace of this grub. The government has been in bed with him for so long that the stench will never leave them. A temporary suspension from the ALP for Thomson certainly won’t wipe the shit away from this arsehole government.

    The people are entitled to be ruled by a government of reputable citizens, not a cabal of morally vacuous spin-merchants who govern at the pleasure of tainted creeps like Thomson and Slipper.

    Incidentally why is it OK for the ALP to pay Thomson’s legal fees, but not OK for Brough to advise Ashby to go to the police? Maybe the ALP should have told Thomson to go to the police in the first place, or at least suggested he answer questions under oath in his trial. Might have saved them a couple of hundred thousand dollars.

  19. May 7, 2012 3:32 pm

    “Might have saved them a couple of hundred thousand dollars.”

    Ya mean:

    “Might have saved us a couple of hundred thousand dollars.”

    Given that we taxpayers were paying for Thomson’s legal fees (via Labor)….

    Nice work if you can get it…

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 3:38 pm

    True, a few months ago it was all “no case to answer”, “where’s the evidence?”, “let Fair Work Australia complete its investigation”, “it’s a media beat up”.

    Now that FWA has completed its investigation and found that Thomson does have a case to answer, it’s all “look over there”, “remember AWB”.

    Interesting that they only measure political integrity against the standard of Howard.

  21. May 7, 2012 3:44 pm

    “Now that FWA has completed its investigation and found that Thomson does have a case to answer, it’s all “look over there”, “remember AWB”.

    I know. It’s extraordinary…..

    But not really all that unexpected…..

  22. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 4:05 pm

    “Maybe the ALP should have told Thomson to go to the police in the first place,”
    He should have gone to the police as soon as he became aware that a colleague of his (the one that on Sydney Radio he said had paid back $15K after using his credit card for escorts) had broken into his house, stolen his mobile, stolen his credit card, and his drivers licence and then drove down to Sydney from Gosford for a “party” at Tiffany’s and then drove all the way back again, broke into his house a second time and replaced everything.

    That’s when it should have twigged…………..!

    ”Hey I should report this to the Police”

  23. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 4:06 pm

    Where is Bacchus and TomR these days…………………………………..?

    ROFLMAO

  24. el gordo permalink
    May 7, 2012 4:11 pm

    Baccy has been seen at the cafe, along with TomR who is sticking to his portfolio…hate media.

  25. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 4:15 pm

    LOL

    Oh yeah……..!

    It’s all a friggin’ octogenerian’s fault

    FMD

  26. May 7, 2012 4:17 pm

    I’ve been sent to Coventry over at the cafe…

  27. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 4:26 pm

    “…I’ve been sent to Coventry over at the cafe…”

    I see what you mean

    I quite like nostalgic “On This Day” columns…………….. 🙂

  28. Bacchus permalink
    May 7, 2012 4:56 pm

    I’m still here watching ToM & Co still putting the cart before the horse. No point in commenting though – we just get the same shit regutgitated that we’ve seen from that quarter over and over and over and over and over for the last couple of years!

    To the question, “Does Craig Thompson has a case to answer?” my answer hasn’t changed – Probably, but we still don’t fckn know 🙄 It appears the FWA report may allege certain improprieties by Mr Thompson, but these must be tested in the Federal court. Given that at this stage the’re talking about civil procedings, which even IF he’s found guilty will only result in a fine at wordt, such court procedings still have no effect on the right of Mr Thompson to sit in the HoR – no-one can throw him out before an election!

    No doctor, teacher, manager, accountant… would have lingered in their job the way Thomson has managed.

    You may not have noticed, but he’s not a fckn “doctor, teacher, manager, accountant” so such statements are totally meaningless, but given the source, that shouldn’t be a surprise 🙄

    And to fix ToM’s statement from 2:16pm – “It has always been the case that untested allegations that Thomson acted entirely inappropriately,…

  29. Bacchus permalink
    May 7, 2012 4:57 pm

    I’ve been sent to Coventry over at the cafe…

    Oh you poor, precious petal 😆

  30. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:01 pm

    I see a rather pointed response was allowed to be posted somewhere else including a message of support from another.

    In order to keep the “peace” ( which has been quite nice) I think it advisable that someone should be censored.

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:02 pm

    No Bacchus, in taking this action FWA has determined that Thomson has a case to answer.

    That is what they have decided on the evidence (which incidentally is the same evidence that has been in the public domain for years). In the Federal Court, he will be required to answer the findings.

    The Federal Court may determine a penalty. They may find that there is insufficient evidence, they may find a technical reason to come to a particular conclusion. But one thing is now certain, FWA has found that he has a case to answer!

  32. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:04 pm

    “…….IF he’s found guilty will only result in a fine at wordt, such court procedings still have no effect on the right of Mr Thompson to sit in the HoR…”

    A fine and damages to send the cnut bankrupt would be a good outcome for the long suffering HSU members.

    But Yeah…………it wont happen for a few years anyway

  33. Bacchus permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:09 pm

    I actually agree with that statement Jaws, IF he’s actually guilty of the allegations. It still wouldn’t surprise to find that this has been a stitch up by others with an agenda in the intra-HSU faction brwal for control of the union…

  34. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:15 pm

    “It still wouldn’t surprise to find that this has been a stitch up by others with an agenda in the intra-HSU faction brwal for control of the union…”

    So Bacchus you are a supporter or find it credible that………………..

    …………. a colleague of his (the one that on Sydney Radio he said had paid back $15K after using his credit card for escorts) had broken into his house, stolen his mobile, stolen his credit card, and his drivers licence and then drove down to Sydney from Gosford for a “party” at Tiffany’s and then drove all the way back again, broke into his house a second time and replaced everything.

    Now…………………that’s one for the True Believers I gotta say

  35. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:25 pm

    Thomson thinks he has a case to answer, which is why he promised us detailed statement. And for some reason I can’t quite fathom he doesn’t want to talk to the police. I would have thought he would be anxious to explain to them that he has no case to answer and clear up that little misunderstanding.

    But that Mal Brough, now there is man with a case to answer. Just ask the screeching Albo or the senile Carr.

  36. Bacchus permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:28 pm

    the one that on Sydney Radio

    Oh you mean Barnaby Joyce? 😆

  37. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:31 pm

    I wish someone would ask Thompson if he perhaps has spoken to the Police via his solicitor ?

    My understanding is that he has.

  38. Bacchus permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:32 pm

    The Australian 11 April 2009
    The statement of a Bendigo Gold Visa card allegedly issued to Jackson shows expenditure on services that fall far outside his normal duties. It includes a string of prostitutes, designer clothes, dental work, gourmet food and drinks at a favourite Melbourne hotel. Jackson challenges the authenticity of this credit card account and dismisses allegations he has misused any funds as part of a “dirty tricks campaign” mounted by opponents withinhis union….
    The allegations against Jackson, a senior figure in the ALP’s Victorian Right faction, have only come to light because of leaks after a nasty power struggle within the HSU’s No. 1 division.
    No one emerges as a cleanskin in this battle: certainly not Jackson’s main opponent, the HSU branch’s president Pauline Fegan.
    But the sloppy and sometimes sordid details of union spending at the HSU have emerged in the same week that one of its former officials, federal Labor MP Craig Thomson, has been forced to fend off allegations that he, too, used his union credit card on prostitutes before entering parliament at the 2008 federal election.

    This is what piqued my interest some time back – isn’t it strange that Mr Thompson is being accused of the same things Ms Jackson’s former husband was accused of during another “nasty power struggle within the HSU?”

  39. el gordo permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:52 pm

    Shocking Nooze Break

    ‘JULIA Gillard is being warned by her own supporters she has until the AFL finals in September to lift Labor’s shocking standing in the opinion polls.

    ‘It is a sign that even those who want her to remain as Prime Minister believe Ms Gillard cannot go to the next election with Labor’s support at historic lows.’

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:53 pm

    At least Jackson wasn’t stupid enough to sue for defamation.

  41. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 7, 2012 5:55 pm

    “JULIA Gillard is being warned by her own supporters she has until the AFL finals in September to lift Labor’s shocking standing in the opinion polls.

    What she needs is a good season at full forward with the Dogs. She has more chance of doing that than convincing the Australian public she is fit to be PM.

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 6:50 pm

    No matter how you look at this, all the evidence needed is there to demonstrate that Thomson is a sleaze who should have no place representing a community, as a leader, in the parliament.

    FWA didn’t find that he “probably” has a case to answer, they found a huge range. They provided him with the opportunity to respond to allegations, he was clearly unable or unwilling to answer them to the satisfaction of FWA.

    There are probably a few red faces around at the moment.

    It’s yet another “media beat-up” that wasn’t one.

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 7, 2012 7:29 pm

    “…No matter how you look at this, all the evidence needed is there to demonstrate that Thomson is a sleaze who should have no place representing a community, as a leader, in the parliament…”

    And how many sleazy ‘others’ are presently sitting or have sat in in previous parliaments?
    the outrage-o-meter has been ramped up to extreme hyprocisy! Anyone would think that Thomson’s the first MP to ever have any wrongdoing exposed.

    This is what makes me suspicious that there’s more than a few people here who are just paid Liberal trolls, it is the party message and nothing else that is continually strutted out. By the same standards and on past devious and underhand behaviour tony abbott has no place in the parliament.

    The people are entitled to be ruled by a government of reputable citizens, not a cabal of morally vacuous spin-merchants…

    That description would ensure the Cons are counted out too.

    Concealment hurts Coalition’s clout

    Suddenly, the Coalition has discovered the sanctity of process…

    …Brough changed his tune.
    He refused to return calls from the Herald and other papers – in two known cases he just hung up – and instead opted for a tell-all interview with The Australian, complete with a front page picture of himself at home with his wife, Sue.
    As one Coalition MP said yesterday: ”A sure sign you’re in the shit.”
    Brough argued that Ashby was troubled and had come to him for advice and Brough advised him to go the police and get a lawyer.
    Brough was in no position to play this role…

    [comment to the article]”…Why, Steve, would an obviously intelligent man have to gain advice from a former Liberal Federal Minister and political opponent of his boss to know to go to the police over allegations of sexual harrassment? He doesn’t of course. Any idiot would know that if you have been sexually harrassed or assaulted, you go to the cops. You don’t need Mal Brough to tell you that.
    And if he did go to the police, what was the outcome? Well, obviously the police dismissed the allegations because Ashby has had to lodge a civil action on those allegations. And why did Pyne and Brough deny any contact with the man until it turned up in the media? And why did Pyne deny asking for his personal contact details, only to admit that when emails emerged asking just that?
    You and your ilk have raged over what you claim was Gillard’s lie regarding the price on carbon, which of course wasn’t a lie at all, yet clearly you have no problems with those on your side of politics looking down a camera lens and outright lying without blinking an eyelid.
    It’s obvious that this issue has the Liberal Party’s fingerprints all over it.This was nothing short of a political assassination of a person that the Party was prepared to support for nine elections until he became and independant. Any defence of the Liberal Party’s role is not only pathetic, but breathtaking in its’ hypocrisy.
    Commenter The Redman…”

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 7, 2012 7:31 pm

    sorry, 2nd & 3rd paras are me, I mucked up the italics/quotes

  45. May 7, 2012 7:59 pm

    “Oh you poor, precious petal…”

    Oh, now I’m really hurt….

    Meanwhile in the real world, even Bill Shorten is expressing outrage that Union members’ funds were squandered on escort services…

    Yet Bacchus insists that we “don’t know anything, it’s all gossip blah blah blah…”

    Meanwhile, in more important news and current affairs ten years ago there was some debacle about wheat…

    Seriously, is that all the Labor apologists have got……?

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 8:04 pm

    That’s an interesting perspective AO.

    I think if there was any MP who had spent several thousands of his employers funds on prostitutes, it would get attention from the media, opponents, and bloggers.

    It’s irresistibly salacious, and it is the stuff that will always be discussed in political forums.

    I’m afraid though I’m not paid by any particular organisation, only a few clients that think I can add a little value to their humble organisations.
    —————–
    As a matter of interest, do you know what the leaders of the ANF earn? I’d suggest that they may equate their earnings with a Director of Nursing of one of the major teaching hospitals.

    Is that good money? Do you think that’s what they’re worth?
    ——————
    I also think people would be surprised to learn what the national secretary of a public service union would earn. Fairly high up the scale of a Senior Executive Service.

    It’s interesting that the information that has recently been published is generally about the leadership of the traditional blue collar unions, not much about the white collar ones.

    I wonder whether the $340K paid to the national president of the HSU is as isolated as people are suggesting.

  47. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 8:05 pm

    Kathy Jackson……..WHAT A DISGRACE!!!

    Ms Jackson failed to exercise her powers and discharge her duties as National Secretary with the degree of care and diligence that a reasonable person would exercise if they were National Secretary in the circumstances of the National Office as required by subsection 285(1) of the RAO Schedule, in relation to the lodgement of the operating report and general purpose financial report for the National Office for the year ending 30 June 2007 in that a reasonable person who was occupying the position of National Secretary between August 2010 and April 2011 would have taken steps to prepare an operating report and a committee of management statement, to have had the general purpose financial report audited and to have lodged financial documents with FWA.

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2012 8:10 pm

    FWA is supposed to be independent. Gillard obviously new something was coming. Who in FWA tipped Gillard off??? She had years to deal with Thomson but only recently suspended him.

  49. el gordo permalink
    May 7, 2012 8:25 pm

    ‘Gillard obviously knew something was coming.’

    When the police raided HSU East they said nobody in Canberra knew about it.

  50. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2012 8:28 pm

    So it was just a coincidence that Gillard suspended Thomson 10 days ago??

  51. May 7, 2012 8:31 pm

    I mean, it’s only HEADLINE NEWS around the country, but let’s talk about the decade old AWB affair instead…

    Honestly… 🙄

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 8:37 pm

    Here are some of the findings related to Mr Thomson, who denies any wrongdoing:

    • used union credit card to spend $5,793 for the procurement of escort services; finding based on a “preponderance of evidence”
    • $71,300.23 in HSU funds spent on Mr Thomson’s campaign for the federal seat of Dobell
    • $154,713.96 spent on one staffer and $41,707.46 on another connected to his campaign
    • not all of $103,339.70 in cash withdrawals made on a CBA Mastercard between 2002 to 2007 were for legitimate union purposes
    • not all of $73,849.88 spent on credit cards for dining or entertainment between 2002 to 2007 was for legitimate union purposes
    • probable that $1,425.62 of national office funds was spent after he resigned from his position.

    I wonder whether all that includes the couple of dozen airfares he booked for his former wife.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/what-the-fwa-probe-into-the-hsu-found/story-e6frfkvr-1226349242286#ixzz1uB8xlAl0

    —————————–
    I think Gillard was forced to act against Thomson because she was politically forced to offload Slipper (temporarily). She couldn’t do one without the other.
    —————————-
    Has “peace in our time” resulted in me being unbanned?

  53. el gordo permalink
    May 7, 2012 8:58 pm

    ‘Has “peace in our time” resulted in me being unbanned?’

    I have a ‘white paper’ and will put in a good word for you.

  54. Tony permalink
    May 7, 2012 9:06 pm

    It’s so obvious. This is all just a Murdoch-Howard conspiracy. Why can’t your ilk you people see that?

  55. el gordo permalink
    May 7, 2012 9:15 pm

    Julia is indebted to Craig for getting asylum seekers off the front page, three boats came home yesterday.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/three-asylum-seeker-boats-in-a-day/story-e6freuzr-1226348561747

  56. Bacchus permalink
    May 7, 2012 9:19 pm

    Why don’t you read the actual report ToM? Shouldn’t take more than a couple of weeks 😆

    This link should download a PDF copy of the report: (~ 7MB)

    http://www.scribd.com/document_downloads/92658600?extension=pdf&from=embed

  57. Bacchus permalink
    May 7, 2012 9:32 pm

    Honestly…

    Stop your pouting Princess 🙂

    So people on another blog are not allowed to draw parallels between this government’s problems and previous governments’ because???

  58. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 9:43 pm

    How IS that AWB “full enquiry” coming along anyway? If Government members were involved I want them charged.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 7, 2012 9:46 pm

    Don’t mention the other news item, the Abbott head nodding thing again.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/action/externalEmbeddedPlayer?id=d-1y8hf

    from about 0:58″ to 2′:38″

    That was funny.

    What is it with the head nodding? Abbott is so full of himself but he does seem to have a bit of a glass jaw. He pounds Gillard with a sledgehammer every single day, but cannot cope when a bit of light hearted banter goes his way. See how he looks around & everyone’s laughing, like most bullies, he can’t laugh at himself, he looks like he was quietly seething, shades of that other interview. No wonder abbott only does staged media appearances, he can’t think fast enough for anything else, he has to go home to think about it and then come up with some clever slogan the next day.

    I think that was the first time since government that JG actually sounded like more like her normal self instead of the usual tightly scripted stuff.

    Oh noes!

    LIFE OF THE PARTY: James Ashby accused of procuring unwitting young men for HIV positive millionaire mate for pleasure palace “partying”

    HOUSE OF DANGER//PALACE OF PLEASURE
    DRAMA QUEENS
    SERIAL TROUBLE-MAKER
    ASHBY’S HUMAN RIGHTS JEOPARDISED, HE RECKONS
    SHOW ME THE MONEY

    That’s all a bit immoral…and sleazy.

    Apparently there’s much more to come.

    “…So it was just a coincidence that Gillard suspended Thomson 10 days ago??…”

    “…I mean, it’s only HEADLINE NEWS around the country, but let’s talk about the decade old AWB affair instead…
    Honestly…”

    Or, we could talk about Howard being tipped off by the police about the printgate crimes.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/electoral-rorting-claims-referred-to-cmc/story-e6frg6oo-1111113123941

    …On Tuesday, John Howard confirmed he was alerted by the AFP to the police raids the day before they occurred, in keeping with longstanding practice. The Prime Minister indicated he did not pass on the information.

    After speaking to staff, Mr Laming rang The Australian again to deny Mr Howard’s office or Liberal staffers had tipped him off. “Neither I nor any of my staff had any forewarning of the visit by the AFP,” he said. “I can deny that. That’s a categorical denial. No one was alerted. We were absolutely unaware.”…

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-03-08/liberal-mps-tipped-off-before-police-raids/2211822

    “Liberal Party sources said there had been a tip-off to Dr Laming’s office one hour before Dr Laming’s office had been raided,” Mr Swan said.

    “I think there’s a very serious question there that must be answered by John Howard and secondly, I think John Howard ought to say what he knew about this when he last reshuffled his Ministry and dropped Gary Hardgrave.”…

    It’s all just another day in politics, nothing new here, so stop making out that this is a first.

  60. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2012 9:48 pm

    I think we should hear from our own Baghdad Bob (aka TomR) from April 30.

    http://sprayoftheday.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/media-war-ramps-up/#comment-1147

    What ‘scandal’, apart from unfounded allegations.”

  61. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 10:11 pm

    “When the police raided HSU East they said nobody in Canberra knew about it.”

    The Hate Media vans were setting up at 7am. Williamson found out about it via allies and tried to get some vital stuff out.

    Who told the media ?

  62. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 7, 2012 10:19 pm

    As a matter of interest, do you know what the leaders of the ANF earn?

    sorry, have no idea and not going to bother looking for it either.

    I’m sure you can tell us though tomM, and perhaps you can even manage to link that info to…OUTRAGE and some irrelevant moralising?

    What do company execs and CEO’s earn? What do the heads of the ACCI and the BCA earn? Is there any relevance to anything?

  63. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 10:28 pm

    Will Thompson be able to take the repeated questions and the public smears and insults and jokes for 18 months.

  64. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 10:41 pm

    Have a look at this load of crap. Talk about cringeworthy

    Who the fuck advises these 2 ?

  65. JAWS permalink
    May 7, 2012 10:50 pm

    “What do company execs and CEO’s earn?”

    It’s actually in the annual reports. Hence the constant criticism of some.

    So I have no idea of your point but it’s pretty obvious that you express outrage over union leadership conduct but refuse to accept the need for regulation.

  66. el gordo permalink
    May 7, 2012 10:51 pm

    Don’t know if Thomson can stay the distance, being convinced of his own innocence. The punters have plunged heavily on Rudd in the past week, to lead Labor at the next election,
    which they believe may be held before Xmas.

    Sportsbet

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2012 11:12 pm

    I wasn’t making a specific observation AO, I’m only identifying that somewhere around the $270k paid to Kathy Jackson may not be all that unusual in the unions.

    The $340k might be a stretch.

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 7, 2012 11:23 pm

    So I have no idea of your point but it’s pretty obvious that you express outrage over union leadership conduct but refuse to accept the need for regulation.

    News to me. I think your prejudice and bias is yours, not mine. I think I’ve been pretty clear on a need for regulation and accountability.

    I had no idea of the point [tomm’s] in the first instance!

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2012 8:44 am

    181 charges indicates the depth of the investigation and the time required to investigate them … corporate audits/investigations often lead from one problem to another and I’ve no doubt that’s what has happened here … police don’t generally have the resources (ie competence) and therefore the inclination to investigate white collar crimes …

    Its now up to the system to find out which of the 181 charges are illegal …

    … “immoral” doesn’t count, ToMMY, even Jaws will understand that, not sure about James and splatterbum though … you can discuss that amongst yourselves anyway … oh! wait that what’ s you do … 😀

    The trials will be interesting …

    Congratulations to the FWA CEO for taking the time to study the Report thoroughly by the looks of things … and not allow herself to be pressured by plebs, pollies and pros equally …

    Collecting, analyzing and actioning evidence in businesses takes far more time than people (who have never done it) realise …

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2012 8:55 am

    FWA doesn’t seem to have been persuaded by Thomson’s explanations. Nor does Bill Shorten, nor incoming ACTU Secretary Dave Oliver.

    In summary, Thomson’s defenders have said-
    • It’s part of an internal union factional war, he’s been set up.
    • It’s Kathy Jackson, who has connections to the Liberal Party.
    • It’s a media beat-up.
    • There’s no evidence
    • Wait for the FWA investigation to reach a conclusion, we can’t make a call in the absence of the report.

    It’s interesting that now we have the FWA report, which supports every contention about his actions his critics have alleged, and despite Shorten condemning the behaviour, there is still no acceptance or acknowledgement about getting this call so very wrong. Miglo aside to his credit.

  71. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 8:58 am

    “……….So people on another blog are not allowed to draw parallels between this government’s problems and previous governments’ because???………”

    As a fly on the wall in the Thompson household I can see it now…………….

    Scene from the Thompson Household last night :

    Mrs Thompson:
    “How dare you…………..you………………….you…………….fucking stinking sleazebag Craig……………………………….……………I cannot believe that I am the mother of children whose father’s idea of a hobby is to have sex with prostitutes using money he stole from his employer.

    You total fucking scumbag…………you total sleaze…………you thieving bastard…”

    Craig Thompson:
    “Darling……. Darling………… please calm down………………………….I can explain everything. Its not as bad as you are making out.

    Let me explain

    Do you remember Alexander Downer and what he did when Howard was in power…………well………………..he………”

    Works for me…………..!

  72. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 9:02 am

    “…………..Congratulations to the FWA CEO for taking the time to study the Report thoroughly by the looks of things …”

    “Study”……………………did you say “Study”

    After 3 years she should graduate with a friggin’ Degree in it

  73. May 8, 2012 9:16 am

    “So people on another blog are not allowed to draw parallels between this government’s problems and previous governments’ because???”

    *chuckle*

    But they’re not drawing parallels Bacchus…. In order to draw a Parallel you’d have to at least discuss the Craig Thomson saga. But that’s not happening….

    Despite being front page headline news around the country, all they want to do is talk about a scandal that happened a decade ago.

    The Thomson scandal that is plaguing Gillard doesn’t even rate a mention…

    Which is odd for a thread that was titled “Monday in Canberra”…

    But you know, it’s no big deal….

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 8, 2012 9:28 am

    TB: ““immoral” doesn’t count”

    It does with this Labor government. It is a positive virtue with that lot. Power by any means necessary is their heartfelt motto.

    But most voters do not want a government that governs at the pleasure of immoral scum like Thomson. Sadly the government can count on a swarm of shilling succubi, a troup of trilling toadies, a dialogue of duplicitous dittoheads, who revel in it, who do a merry little dance of distraction and delusion, apparently oblivious to the fact that it only serves to demean their own reputations.

  75. May 8, 2012 9:34 am

    So according to the findings of the FWA report, Thomson spent:

    • $6000 of Union funds on escort services
    • Provided “false and misleading” information in relation to those escort services
    • Spent $1425 of Union funds for his own personal benefit after he left the Union
    • Spent $74,000 on HSU credit cards for “dining and entertainment” which was not authorised and not all of which was on HSU business
    • Provided “false and misleading” information about $103,000 unauthorised cash withdrawals he made on his HSU credit card
    • Spent over $250,000 of unauthorised HSU funds to advance his personal ambition to become elected to Parliament

    But Bacchus would have us believe that “there’s nothing to see here, he hasn’t been found guilty of anything..”

    Honestly if Thomson were a Liberal MP you’d be apoplectic with rage…

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2012 9:50 am

    But Bacchus would have us believe that “there’s nothing to see here, he hasn’t been found guilty of anything..”

    And technically Bacchus is quite correct … he’s accused only … along with two others (who don’t seem to get muchof a mention here – probably because they don’t vote in Federal parliament) …

    Power by any means necessary is their heartfelt motto.

    Mmmm … and where is Godwin these days? 🙄

    As for your attempt at Shakespearian acrimony … some of us “shilling (sic) succubi” have simply been calling for due process (that’s what’s taking place, BTW) … rather than a public lynching so that the, Cattle Political Baron, Tex Abbott, can take over the town …

  77. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 10:14 am

    “And technically Bacchus is quite correct …”

    Maybe………….but remand centres are full of people incarcerated due to the overwhelming weight of persuasive if not proven facts/evidence

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2012 10:21 am

    TB, a range of people have said that it was not reasonable to suggest that Thomson “has a case to answer”, because FWA hadn’t completed their investigation. It was stated by a range of blog contributors that completion of the FWA report would provide the material for an informed discussion, without the “media speculation”.

    Now that FWA has completed its lengthy investigation, and has unequivocally found that Thomson has 181 cases to answer, it is apparently still too early to engage in discussion about the topic.

  79. Bacchus permalink
    May 8, 2012 10:34 am

    ToM still verballing what anyone says & then arguing against that. Why am I not surprised 🙄

  80. Bacchus permalink
    May 8, 2012 10:43 am

    And reb too – that is a bit of a surprise 😯

  81. Bacchus permalink
    May 8, 2012 10:45 am

    Bit of SOL** reb?

    But they’re not drawing parallels Bacchus…. In order to draw a Parallel you’d have to at least discuss the Craig Thomson saga. But that’s not happening….

    Perhaps you’d like to remove your blinkers and have a read of the thread with your eyes open 🙄

    **SOL = S#!t On the Liver

  82. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 10:54 am

    “Perhaps you’d like to remove your blinkers and have a read of the thread ”

    There has been a slight change in sentiment by one blogger even I must admit.

    Obviously “a line has been crossed”

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2012 11:19 am

    I don’t think I was verballing anyone Bacchus. I wasn’t attributing those comments to you, they’re simply typical of the responses provided directly to me when (several months ago) I argued that Thomson had a case to answer etc.

    Now that FWA has made its findings, and they’re quite unequivocal, I think I’m entitled to point to the fact that FWA has come to the same conclusions as any reasonable, informed person.

    But despite this, some are inclined to avoid the issue.

    (wrong thread earlier)

  84. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 8, 2012 11:24 am

    “have simply been calling for due process (that’s what’s taking place, BTW)”

    That is a definitive example of a merry little dance of distraction, TB.

    Due process is relevant to the enforcement of laws. It is not relevant to the views taken by ordinary people on the propriety of politicians. The mere fact that Thomson will not talk to the cops is enough for most people to conclude he is not a fit person to be in parliament. Not to mention the strong prima facie evidence against him and his failure to honour his promise to give a detailed statement. I don’t know about your culinary peccadilloes but for most people Gillard’s repeatedly expressed confidence in Thomson and the government’s unwillingness to even require him to explain himself to parliament is a shit sandwich too far.

    The ACTU and Gillard herself have both acted against Thomson but this does not indicate a lack of due process. Due process or not, even they were capable of recognising that a line had been crossed, even if the terminally duplicitous Gillard was unable to say what that line was.

    And what have you got against the use of the word “shilling” as an adjective?

  85. el gordo permalink
    May 8, 2012 11:25 am

    Who’s this blogger with a change in sentiment?

    I know it’s not me….

  86. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 11:26 am

    “**SOL = S#!t On the Liver”

    I have never heard that expression before.

    Then again “fair shake of the sauce bottle” was rather strange as well

  87. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 11:27 am

    I think Min said Thompson “was in the poo” or something like that

  88. May 8, 2012 11:29 am

    “I have never heard that expression before.”

    Me neither….

  89. Bacchus permalink
    May 8, 2012 11:40 am

    You’ve all learned something useful today 😆

  90. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 11:59 am

    “You’ve all learned something useful today”

    I looked at your Link

    Sorry Bacchus but there’s not many career opps for sugar cane cutters in Sydney.

    I could hazard a guess that Melbourne and Hobart are about the same.

    So we might have learnt something but I prefer to learn things that are actually useful

    So thanks anyway

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2012 12:01 pm

    It was stated by a range of blog contributors that completion of the FWA report would provide the material for an informed discussion, without the “media speculation”.

    … who?

    ………….. Now that FWA has made its findings, and they’re quite unequivocal, I think I’m entitled to point to the fact that FWA has come to the same conclusions as any reasonable, informed person.

    But still have to be proven in court …

    ………….. But despite this, some are inclined to avoid the issue.

    Nah, not avoiding anything – just bored titless … prattling on about something that is probably cut and dried (I suspect he’s guilty – BUT I don’t know) … and all the ranting in the world won’t change anything …

    If Thomson is found guilty it will be long after the next pre-selection for the next Federal election …

    I really do give up … there IS no issue to discuss … he is either found guilty or not guilty … by a court … on the evidence that you will never hear … FWA have said there is a case to “answer” … that’s it …

    … FFS move on … discuss something else …

    ie did you know Abbott now has more Liberals on the Opposition benches than Labor has on the government’s …

    Still there is always the budget tomorrow … and the NS government in Greece and the Commies taking over in France … and you want to “discuss” a dickhead who obviously couldn’t run a chook raffle in a pub … 🙄
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This reminds me of a certain juror last week who was determined, on the first day, to “get another peadophile off the streets”, BEFORE we’d heard any evidence!

    When I reminded him of “innocent until proven guilty” … “beyond a reasonable doubt” … he cracked up saying that was BS and it was all “subjective” anyway! (A Farnham Report approach …)

    On the last day when everyone said not guilty, he said, “I’m sorry to say, I find him not guilty” … sorry to say?? FFS!

    Of 12 jurors one had said “guilty” … when asked why, he said “I don’t think we should jump to a conclusion without talking about it first – BTW I do think he’s not guilty” … we’d discussed the “evidence” for two fkn days! There was a few funny looks but then they indulged the poor sod and “discussed” it for another half hour …

  92. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 12:13 pm

    Are we going to have a Budget Thread and a Drinking Game tonight ?

    Delivering sustainable outcomes…………………job creation………………….GFC………………..Raising the Tax Free Threshold………………..Productivity…………

    Gulp…………..Gulp…………….Skoll

  93. May 8, 2012 12:18 pm

    “Are we going to have a Budget Thread and a Drinking Game tonight ?”

    That’s an excellent idea Jaws!

    I’ll get something up shortly…

    (I might also post the Budget Drinking Game thread too!)

  94. Bacchus permalink
    May 8, 2012 12:22 pm

    Well next time someone uses the expression, you’ll know what it means Jaws 😉 A google search of “shit on the liver” returns 621,000 results, so it’s certainly not unknown in this country. One entry was even a blog thread title written by one of reb’s mates (a Victorian who was previously a Taswegian) :mrgreen:

    http://idagasp.blogspot.com.au/2005/12/shit-on-liver.html

    so I started singing My Island Home, which I think should be some kind of Tasmanian anthem. Yes, today I embraced my cultural heritage, and appreciated the Tas aesthetic. There’s nothing like a good solid Tasmanian man with a massive beard, polar fleece and sandals with socks, buying organic produce from someone with more unfortuate body odour than their own. I have a nasty feeling that Tasmanian women are slightly more hirsute than women from other parts of Australia. It is a scary little place I tell you.

    Sounds like she knows the place intimately 😆

  95. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 12:25 pm

    Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !

    I shall decant the Red in preparation at 4pm.

  96. el gordo permalink
    May 8, 2012 12:39 pm

    I like the jury story by citizen journalist TB…good copy.

    —————–
    Humans carry baggage in the form of cognitive bias.

    ‘A 2012 Psychological Bulletin article suggested that at least eight seemingly unrelated biases can be produced by the same information-theoretic generative mechanism that assumes noisy information processing during storage and retrieval of information in human memory)’

    It’s important to be aware of this in all future deliberations.

  97. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 12:41 pm

    “…..I have a nasty feeling that Tasmanian women are slightly more hirsute than women from other parts of Australia…….”

    Christine Milne

  98. May 8, 2012 1:00 pm

    The Budget Night Bingo Emporium Mini-Ampitheatre is now open!

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2012 1:06 pm

    Interestingly the High Court recently concluded that the directors of James Hardie had breached their duties. The legal process is finally at an end.

    Can you imagine the ridicule if anyone suggested that we shouldn’t form a view about Hardies because the legal process was still in train?!

    Those directors are scumbags, and everyone with any sense would have realised this (and said so) about 10 years ago.

    The notion that we should withhold our judgement until the conclusion of the legal process is bizarre, clearly in the case of James Hardie directors. Craig Thomson too.

  100. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2012 1:10 pm

    Remember what a bastard Abbott was for suggesting that perhaps Bernie Banton might have been making a political point way back then?

  101. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 8, 2012 1:13 pm

    Due process is relevant to the enforcement of laws. It is not relevant to the views taken by ordinary people on the propriety of politicians.

    But it is the due process of law that we were concerned about, guilty or not. I would much prefer to wait for the process to dot every i and cross every t, for the wheels to slowly grind through to the conclusive end then to be full of froth & spittle and red-faced fury for however long. Not good for the blood pressure. What purpose does it serve?

    I don’t know about your culinary peccadilloes but for most people Gillard’s repeatedly expressed confidence in Thomson and the government’s unwillingness to even require him to explain himself to parliament is a shit sandwich too far.

    We’ve well got used to the shit sandwich, Howard was the expert of it, Labor doesn’t even come close to matching The Cons in manufacturing shit and tawdry sleaze [after al,l Slipper is their man], in fact Labor have been pretty inept at managing it. Howard would have had it all go away pretty quickly but The Cons do have a compliant media to work with. It helps a lot when you can count on the media being on your side and certain attack dog journo’s will be campaigning on your behalf and never challenging the spoon fed shit you serve to a gullible and obviously easily outraged audience.

    Or, could it be that you are just impatient for new election?

    Due process on that too!

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 8, 2012 1:21 pm

    The notion that we should withhold our judgement until the conclusion of the legal process is bizarre, clearly in the case of James Hardie directors. Craig Thomson too.

    Can you think of any other wrong analogies to add to your moralising and outrage?

    Now you want to equate death with the HSU execs misuse of funds! Want to try for the tobacco companies and how about toxic climate change environment and the big polluters? 😆

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 8, 2012 1:22 pm

    “…..I have a nasty feeling that Tasmanian women are slightly more hirsute than women from other parts of Australia…….”
    Christine Milne

    Or perhaps that is you just being nasty?

  104. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 1:24 pm

    “……….and how about toxic climate change environment and the big polluters?”

    I move that Kitty be banned for not using the CO2 thread and deliberately trying to move off topic.

    We cant allow that sort of thing to happen around here 🙂

  105. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 1:25 pm

    Moi…?

    Nasty………….!

    Bien sur que non

  106. el gordo permalink
    May 8, 2012 1:36 pm

    ‘Want to try for the tobacco companies and how about toxic climate change environment and the big polluters?’

    Cognitive Bias Alert!

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 8, 2012 1:47 pm

    Nah, not avoiding anything – just bored titless … prattling on about something that is probably cut and dried (I suspect he’s guilty – BUT I don’t know) … and all the ranting in the world won’t change anything …

    My feelings exactly TB. Quite over it and all the manufactured outrage that’s gone with it to the exclusion of everything else that is happening in the country. It is just the very one-eyed supporters of one particular party that seem to be ‘forever outraged’. Everyone else is bored shitless with the constant attacks. A minority government seems to be just too much for some people to handle, it makes them crazy!

    When I reminded him of “innocent until proven guilty” … “beyond a reasonable doubt” … he cracked up saying that was BS and it was all “subjective” anyway! (A Farnham Report approach …)
    On the last day when everyone said not guilty, he said, “I’m sorry to say, I find him not guilty” … sorry to say?? FFS!

    That man is obviously not an impartial observer and should be nowhere near a jury IMO TB! Why didn’t he get culled? Sounds like they needed someone rational and fair minded like you in the jury box!

    Give some people a bit of perceived power over the fate of someone else and they go all military, somebody should give him a gun and a uniform [that is a joke BTW, I know your personal history 😛 ]

  108. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 2:01 pm

    “Sounds like they needed someone rational and fair minded like you in the jury box!”

    ROFLMAO

  109. May 8, 2012 2:13 pm

    “Everyone else is bored shitless with the constant attacks.”

    “constant attacks….?

    Nothing to do with the poor judgement of Julia Gillard in appointing slippery Pete and throwing her unbridled support behind slime balls like Craig Thomson for nothing other than her own political survival….?

    And what about her integrity, when it comes to welching on the pokies deal with Wilkie once she felt that she didn’t need his support anymore, a written agreement that was her ticket to securing power in the first place?

    And then her scathing, unwarranted attack on Bob Brown….

    If Julia was actually a better politician then she wouldn’t find herself at the centre of these so-called “constant attacks.”

    It’s not because she’s a woman, it’s simply because she’s useless, and will say and do anything to stay in power – even if it means leading her own party to certain defeat at the next election…

    The only people with any decency left at the Labor party are people like Doug Cameron, Stephen Smith and Simon Crean…

    The rest of them are just as much a pack of surly self-serving backstabbers as you’d find over at the Liberal Party…

  110. Tony permalink
    May 8, 2012 2:24 pm

    “… FFS move on … discuss something else …”

    I agree, let’s discuss more pertinent issues. Didn’t Peter Reith once give his son a government phone card?

  111. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 8, 2012 2:43 pm

    I doubt the ploy of releasing the report on budget eve will have the desired effect. Pickering suggests it may indeed have the opposite effect.

    “We’ve well got used to the shit sandwich, Howard was the expert of it,”

    Agreed. I was outraged and ashamed to have a PM who would knowingly demonise refugees with the children overboard lies solely for electoral advantage – so much that I started voting for the Greens as Labor under Beazley was no better than Howard when it came to refugees. The idea of a PM inciting hatred against those refugees, who had no opportunity to defend themselves, sickens me still.

    But that doesn’t mean this particular shit sandwich tastes nice because Labor is serving it up to us. What Howard did does not in any way excuse the conduct of Labor now. I am revolted by the way this scandal has unfolded and the damage it has done to the reputation and standing of parliament.

    Here’s a clue – it doesn’t matter if Thomson gets off on a technicality. Brereton did, with the help of a corrupt Chief Magistrate. That still did not make his attempts to bribe the Botany alderman OK. The problem with the Thomson scandal is that there is very credible evidence of malfeasance on his part. He has promised a detailed statement, but not delivered it and, in fact, has refused to be interviewed by the police. And all the while the PM has expressed her confidence in him, at least until some imaginary line was crossed. The real line was crossed long ago.

    As to the presumption of innocence, I am clearly not declaring Thomson guilty in a criminal sense. That is for the court to determine and, in Unionland, that is never a guaranteed outcome. I am saying that the conduct of Thomson and the ALP in supporting him, paying his legal bills and blindly expressing confidence in him just to hang on to power has debauched our parliamentary system.

  112. May 8, 2012 2:58 pm

    Well said SB, my sentiments exactly!

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 8, 2012 3:23 pm

    For the benefit of the one-eyed perpetually outraged, here is my short and very incomplete list of the big issues that have passed you by because you are too wedded to outrage about craig thomson/HSU. Just off the top of my head, there are plenty more if i had more time to think about it.

    – Rupert/James Murdoch/NewsLtd crimes (huge story) totally ignored

    – Arab spring and syria uprising (10,000 civilian deaths in syria alone)

    – Russia and China Prevent U.N. Action in Syria

    – Putin protests

    – Nuclear meltdown/disaster in japan

    NASA’s Kepler mission discovers two Earth-size planets.

    Blind Chinese Dissident Sparks Diplomatic Crisis

    Aung San Suu Kyi Wins Seat in Myanmar Parliament

    Secret Service Agents Fired over Misconduct in Colombia

    ASIO unaccountable to anyone

    Secret Service Agents Fired over Misconduct in Colombia

    Anders Breivik

    Trayvon Martin

    Miners and oligarchy

    sexist email rant from senior LNP MP advisor [now resigned]

    big 4 banks and interest rates [where’s the outrage?]

    Business wants to stop paying weekend penalty rates [hospitality & retail already being the lowest paid of all australians]

    public services bear the brunt of budget surplus

    and just today:

    Woman sacked for shoplifting 40 years ago

    But keep on talking shit and don’t forget the liberal party messages.

    It’s not because she’s a woman,

    There is an element of that in it, even the journalists can manage to admit there is an undertone of gender bias with the extreme, nasty, vitriolic commentary that been unknown for male politicians.

    Nothing to do with the poor judgement of Julia Gillard in appointing slippery Pete and throwing her unbridled support behind slime balls like Craig Thomson for nothing other than her own political survival….?

    Yeah slippery pete who was perfectly acceptable to the cons for so long! JG is terrible because she used his circumstances to her political advantage [anyone recall mal colston?]. I don’t excuse her for doing so BTW, Labor did use poor judgement knowing that he had so much baggage that could be their political downfall. I am also offended at how Labor reneged on Wilkie when he has electorate support behind the pokies legislation [NSW labor right pandering to the lobbyists again, self preservation over doing the right thing by the community] These are things I hold against Labor, the political party, not JG personally. I don’t see any of you ranting about any of the other Labor MP’s [eg Shorten et al, who are quietly letting her take the flak whilst they lie low hoping for their chance to be leader] Lucky she’s a strong woman. Where is the line-up of ministers to counter the constant attacks? As soon as there was any issue, John Howard could count on a number of foot soldier/attack dog ministers to jump in front of a camera to deny, spin, shift the blame and then create a ‘look over there’ distraction. Where are the brave Labor MP’s? {I do note Craig Emerson does his best]

    The NSW right wing are still wrecking Labor and need to be got rid of ASAP Julia Gillard is owned by them.

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 8, 2012 3:30 pm

    But that doesn’t mean this particular shit sandwich tastes nice because Labor is serving it up to us. What Howard did does not in any way excuse the conduct of Labor now.

    Exactly, and I hold Labor accountable for it and don’t vote for them. I don’t see a need to be perpetually outraged when as far as I can see, both major parties behave the same way, Gillard’s Labor is no better and no worse than The Coalition. They are both shit.

    Why aren’t you demanding better of all our politicians and the way they behave, the shit sandwich tastes no better coming from the Libs, so why are they a better alternative to vote for? Vote for someone else.

    Take to the streets, demand a better political system, quality debate not grubby sewer politics.

  115. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 3:48 pm

    “……….Brereton did, with the help of a corrupt Chief Magistrate. That still did not make his attempts to bribe the Botany alderman OK. ………..”

    LOL

    Well well well SB

    That brings back some memories for me.

    Did I ever tell you about when (mid 1980s) I was working for a hopeful Darling Harbour property developer and I had to cash a cheque for $200K and take the cash directly it to……………………..

  116. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2012 3:52 pm

    Is it mysoginist to call Sophie Mirabella “Slagabella”?

    Just asking….

  117. Tony permalink
    May 8, 2012 3:54 pm

    This is not worth talking about because shut up.

  118. Bacchus permalink
    May 8, 2012 4:11 pm

    Is it mysoginist to call Sophie Mirabella “Slagabella”?

    Only if the person using such a name has shown that it isn’t just a particular woman and her behaviour that she hates, but women in general…

  119. May 8, 2012 4:14 pm

    Yeah, just like saying “that nigger Khamal” isn’t racist….

    🙄

  120. May 8, 2012 4:28 pm

    Nice banner, reb. What happened to the yoyo?

  121. May 8, 2012 4:41 pm

    Thanks Migs, I’m simply trying to keep up with the flash new site you have developed at the cafe…

    The yoyo went loko…

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2012 4:44 pm

    IP issues, Migs … 😉

  123. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2012 4:45 pm

    I don’t see a need to be perpetually outraged

    So why do you continue to be outraged about the Howard Government?

  124. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 8, 2012 5:04 pm

    “Why aren’t you demanding better of all our politicians and the way they behave, the shit sandwich tastes no better coming from the Libs, so why are they a better alternative to vote for? Vote for someone else.

    Take to the streets, demand a better political system, quality debate not grubby sewer politics.”

    You can’t be seriously suggesting the Greens, can you? At any time Bandt could have joined the opposition in passing a resolution to require Thomson to explain himself to parliament. Instead he went along with the Gillard charade because he wanted to hold on to government as much as she did. I voted Greens for a couple of elections, but the rise of old commos like Bandt and Rihannon and the Greens’ leftwards lurch has turned me off them.

    Anyway, in most electorates you effectively vote for one or other of the major parties. Right now I would support the LDP as my first preference vote, and probably (and very reluctantly) preference Labor above the Libs because I hate my local member.

    As to taking to the streets and demanding quality debate, that is more or less what people have been doing about the Thomson scandal. They are sick of it. They want it to stop. And they are not prepared to let Labor off the hook just so they can hang on to office a bit longer. The grubby sewer politics is precisely what the government is serving up, but sadly the only response from the rusted-ons is to come up with distractions to take the heat off the Gillard sleaze machine. You know, like continually pointing out that the other guys were just as bad when they were in office.

    If the Greens really wanted to do something about Thomson they could, but they don’t. They are as slimily self-interested as any other party.

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2012 5:14 pm

    Wouldn’t it be nice to have a real Labor government in power again? You know like Hawke/Keating who actually got people together to benefit the Nation …

    All we seem to get is a bunch of soppy wannabe politicians pushing their own agenda … and that agenda isn’t far removed from the LibNats ,,, and in the middle a bunch of Greens who couldn’t find a smell in a fart factory! 🙄

  126. el gordo permalink
    May 8, 2012 5:24 pm

    ‘Pushing their own agenda’…like Albo pushing for a Wilton airport to save his seat of Marrickville?

    At the cafe someone remarked that’s politics as usual.

  127. Tony permalink
    May 8, 2012 5:26 pm

    I agree with you about the Hawke-Keating government, TB, but for different reasons. It did more to advance the cause of free-market economics than any Australian government before or since. Floating the currency, removing trade barriers, deregulating the financial industry, privatising the Commonwealth Bank, ending subsidies to loss-making industries: all straight out of the Milton Friedman text book. 😉

  128. May 8, 2012 5:35 pm

    Thanks reb. My new site looks good on a PC, but there have been complaints about its usability on a mobile phone. It’s back to the old drawing board. 😦

  129. JAWS permalink
    May 8, 2012 5:35 pm

    “………..It did more to advance the cause of free-market economics than any Australian government before or since. ………….”

    Come on ToSY fess up just once……………

    Did you ever vote for them ?

    LOL

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2012 5:36 pm

    And I agree with all that too, ToSY …

    I also thought the compulsory super was a good idea (I never benefitted ’cause I went into business in ’92) … BUT having experienced the GFC as a SFR … I now believe we need a more “stable” system for those who can’t manage thier own super … something like the Super Fund … that people can either opt in or out of … with a guaranteed return …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just to get the hounds, salivating … from Business Spectator …

    … the headlines are a bit deceptive and the last 2/3rds are repetition of old news but some interesting new info at the front …

    AEC probes report on HSU funds

    The Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) is examining a report by Fair Work Australia (FWA) which found Health Services Union (HSU) members’ funds were spent on a Labor election campaign in 2007.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/HSU-officials-to-be-taken-to-court-FWA-U34PD?OpenDocument&src=hp1

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2012 5:41 pm

    It’s back to the old drawing board.

    Miggsy, while its a pain in the arse, I always believe that’s how you get a better product …

    … some free advice? … put the authors’ names at the top (not the bottom) … and just a call-out graphic for posts can be a bit tricky for “new players” … just sayin’ … 😀

  132. May 8, 2012 5:47 pm

    A call-out graphic, TB. I’m not with you. 😳

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2012 6:11 pm

    The image you use to indicate the number of posts (and a click-on) is generally referred to as a “call out” …

    http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=23913594

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2012 6:12 pm

    Sorry, Migs, other link seemed to “time-out” somehow??

  135. May 8, 2012 6:54 pm

    I don’t like it when it’s inferred that everyone who comments here is a rightard free market extremist.

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2012 6:56 pm

    I don’t like it when it’s inferred that everyone who comments here is a rightard free market extremist.

    I understand, Toillette … I don’t consider myself a Leftard extremist either …

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 8, 2012 7:14 pm

    Just to get the hounds, salivating … from Business Spectator …

    That’s the hypocrisy of it all TB. I recall that the AEC weren’t interested in making the Australians for Honest Politics slush fund donors public despite the huge public interest at the time. That fund was set up simply to ensure that the Libs had no threats

    AEC pulls up its socks, starts serving the people

    …And the AEC forgot for a while that requests by the public for openness on its 1998 decision to allow Abbott to keep his slush fund donors secret were about the AEC being accountable to its clients, the voters…

    …The letters reveal that the Honest Politics Trust was formed not only to destroy One Nation through the Courts, but also other political parties which could threaten voter support for the Liberal Party…

    Can’t these regulatory bodies be consistent and treat both parties the same?

    You can’t be seriously suggesting the Greens, can you?

    You betcha! What better way to get the majors to sit up and take notice? If they both see the Greens as a big threat you can be assured that changes will be made. It is this cosy two party power sharing duopoly that has brought our political system to this disgusting state. Why do you think the Australian’s journo’s, the Labor Party and the coalition are all feral about The Greens – they do see the threat and they like things just the way they are. No-one says you have to love Bob Brown but you can protest vote to let the other two know they are on the nose.

    Anyway, in most electorates you effectively vote for one or other of the major parties.

    Maybe that is what needs changing?

    Right now I would support the LDP as my first preference vote, and probably (and very reluctantly) preference Labor above the Libs because I hate my local member.

    ugh! I would vote for abbott before I voted for them [and that is saying something, because I’d rather cut my own throat than vote for abbott].

    I am saying that the conduct of Thomson and the ALP in supporting him, paying his legal bills and blindly expressing confidence in him just to hang on to power has debauched our parliamentary system…

    That’s where we differ, I say that our parliamentary system has long been debauched and this is just the latest of many debaucheries.

    As to taking to the streets and demanding quality debate, that is more or less what people have been doing about the Thomson scandal. They are sick of it.

    But they are naive if they think that voting for Abbott makes a difference to our politics. The Libs are the same as Labor. If people want a change they need to stop voting for either of the two majors.

    I agree with you about the Hawke-Keating government, TB, but for different reasons. It did more to advance the cause of free-market economics than any Australian government before or since.

    That’s right, labor embraced neoliberalism and they haven’t let go of it since. That is the problem with the party, like the Libs they have allowed business to rule this country by proxy. We now have an official corporocracy and I am disgusted at the way Labor has incorporated neoliberal policies into public services like education, medicare etc in the guise of ‘choice’ for people. Labor has completely sold out to the dark side IMO.
    As I say, which corporate CEO did you vote for?

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 8, 2012 7:20 pm

    I don’t like it when it’s inferred that everyone who comments here is a rightard free market extremist.

    sorry tb. I only think of one person who comments here as a rightard free market extremist [and he knows who he is 😉 ]
    He’s not even ashamed of it 😛

    The others are just rightards 😆

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 8, 2012 7:29 pm

    actually…two people, I forgot about jaws.

    and we know of one WCP don’t we?

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2012 8:19 pm

    I see the Financial Review has devoted 7 or 8 pages to Thomson/HSU.

    Clearly Fairfax is preparing to sell the AFR to News. Along with The Age and the SMH.

  141. el gordo permalink
    May 8, 2012 8:27 pm

    ‘Clearly Fairfax is preparing to sell the AFR to News. Along with The Age and the SMH.’

    Only the print section, Gina is keeping digital.

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2012 12:51 am

    Someone else is thinking along similar lines.

    Abbott delenda est

    …For anyone who wants the Australian political system to be different to the way it is, this is the attitude that you have to take: Abbott must be destroyed. Abbott is the problem with out political system: not Gillard, not the independents or the Greens, and not even the dead-men-walking Slipper and Thomson…

    …A good budget tonight will be part of that, with grown-up economic and other policies outflanking the adolescent gibbering to which the Coalition is reduced when confronted with real policy debate that can’t simply be flicked away…

    …The fact that the Coalition agenda consists almost entirely of Craig Thomson (blowback ensures they can’t talk about Slipper) is a testament to Abbott and an indictment upon the rest of his party…

    …The next Liberal Prime Minister will be the one who stands on the forecourt of Parliament House, picks up the likes of Cormann and Minchin (not just their delegates) by the ears and drop-kicks them into the lake. Anyone else is just a seat-warmer. Abbott has proven already that he can’t and won’t do the job; he has already failed, and any polls to the contrary can be safely ignored…

  143. el gordo permalink
    May 9, 2012 7:08 am

    Kitty…..Minchin will (in all probability) be the next Liberal party president, so that’s why everyone treats him with the respect that he deserves.

    Nice to see Patty doing poems for Welder’s blog…..

  144. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2012 7:52 am

    I had to check the date on that article, Kittylitter. I think Andrew Elder might be living on another planet.

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2012 8:58 am

    I think Andrew Elder might be living on another planet.

    One we should visit … Dreamworld is for kids …

  146. May 9, 2012 9:03 am

    Minchin deserves several things…but respect is definitely not one of them.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2012 9:03 am

    As I say, which corporate CEO did you vote for?

    While I agree with the “corpocracy” of politics in most Western democracies … I think the mining CEO’s might have an argument after this budget … bearing in mind there wasn’t too much flak from the “big” miners it was primarily from the multi billionaire Robber Barons (Twiggy, Jabba and Clivey) …

  148. May 9, 2012 9:05 am

    I like the thrust of the Elder article. Unsurprisingly, it doesn’t resonate with Abbotteers.

  149. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2012 9:34 am

    Elder’s conclusion is that Abbott will never be Prime Minister. It may be that that is the case, but there is no evidence to substantiate that conclusion right now, like it or not.

  150. el gordo permalink
    May 9, 2012 9:48 am

    Like it or lump it…Minchin is destined be a defining force in Australian political life for a decade.

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2012 11:36 am

    Minchin deserves several things…but respect is definitely not one of them.</i?

    I agree, it is because of people like him (and bernardi, corminn, abetz fifield) that Australian politics is the disgrace that it is. The reason that it is all sideshow and no substance, the reason the Liberals have turned into gibbering idiot US repugs and the reason Australians have become pissed off with politics.

    …bearing in mind there wasn’t too much flak from the “big” miners it was primarily from the multi billionaire Robber Barons (Twiggy, Jabba and Clivey) …

    Twiggy says he is one of the small miners and that’s why he has trained his guns on Swanny recently (press club address). Twiggy should have spoken out when the first MRRT was mooted by Rudd, that one was to his benefit but he stayed silent and let the big miners tweak the tax to his cost. Too late to squeal now Twiggy, you should have used your advertising $ against Clive and Gina when you had the chance.

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2012 11:38 am

    Is anyone else getting the dreaded wordpress login thing?

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2012 11:44 am

    Minchin is destined be a defining force in Australian political life for a decade.

    What an awful fkn future!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I get it occasionally, KL, and have to re-log …

    I keep getting “comments via email” too …

  154. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2012 1:38 pm

    Looks like the shame is too much even for the independents.

  155. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2012 3:06 pm

    ‘I keep getting “comments via email” too …’

    I thought it was just me. Talk about fkn spam.

  156. May 9, 2012 3:35 pm

    Craig Thomson has said that he will provide a “comprehensive statement” to Parliament next week…

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2012 3:43 pm

    Talk about fkn spam.

    LOL! A summary would be fine every month … you should volunteer young, ToSY! 🙂

    On second thoughts! 🙄

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Craig Thomson has said that he will provide a “comprehensive statement” to Parliament next week…

    Yeah … the last one went well … (shakes head finds another thread …)

  158. el gordo permalink
    May 9, 2012 3:53 pm

    ‘What an awful fkn future!’

    Don’t take it so seriously, its only politics.

    Nick Minchin comes from the Machiavellian school of political science, his brilliant tactics in bringing the ETS to a grinding holt, booting out Talcum and bringing in a dill to take his place… masterly.

    The Prince is good, but Queen Julia is top of the class ‘characterised by subtle or unscrupulous cunning, deception, expediency, or dishonesty.’

  159. May 9, 2012 3:55 pm

    You can’t be serious – Nick Minchin is a first rate tool.

  160. Bacchus permalink
    May 9, 2012 4:07 pm

    Craig Thomson has said that he will provide a “comprehensive statement” to Parliament next week…

    Week after reb. No sittings next week…

  161. el gordo permalink
    May 9, 2012 4:07 pm

    ‘Nick Minchin is a first rate tool.’

    No…the Prince is running the show and the abbott his puppet.

  162. May 9, 2012 4:14 pm

    oh ok, thanks Bacchus…

  163. el gordo permalink
    May 9, 2012 6:52 pm

    ToM’s nagging has forced Craig to make a comprehensive statement.

    ‘Embattled MP Craig Thomson has finally agreed to address parliament about Fair Work findings he used union funds to pay for escort services and fund his election campaign.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-vote-shakes-gillard-government-20120509-1ycl4.html#ixzz1uMQ4r1zP

  164. May 9, 2012 8:35 pm

    “‘I keep getting “comments via email” too …’

    I thought it was just me. Talk about fkn spam.”

    Me too!…like, fkn hundreds a day…I’m being spammed like never before. 😦

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2012 8:39 pm

    A “comprehensive statement”!!

    If it is on in the evening, we could have a drinking game-
    • “I didn’t do it” *gulp
    • “It was another bloke” *glug, glug
    • “One a me mates took the card” *skol
    • “I couldn’t be expected to check who was using the card” *shout the bar!

  166. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2012 8:42 pm

    Me too. Thought I’d accidentally hit the notify button below but Reb, the WCP, has obviously changed it to an “opt out” feature and is harvesting extra hits or something.

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2012 8:45 pm

    Nothing different to me, though I was in an airport today, and this site isn’t banned by Qantas!

  168. May 9, 2012 8:46 pm

    no buddies I haven’t changed a thing but will check the settings…

  169. May 9, 2012 8:51 pm

    Some people like Minchin. 😯

    What even is that!?

  170. May 9, 2012 8:54 pm

    LOL at the Boss…

    Minchin is a complete and utter cnut…

    Anyone who thinks differently is one too as far as I’m concerned.

  171. May 9, 2012 8:59 pm

    “‘I keep getting “comments via email” too …’

    I thought it was just me. Talk about fkn spam.”

    There are two ways to halt this.

    1. Before you submit a comment make sure the ‘Notify me of follow-up comments via email’ is not ticked.

    2. If you do get an email (or a million), click on the settings link at the bottom of the email and delete each thread as a subscriber.

    It took me days to work that out. 😳

  172. May 9, 2012 9:00 pm

    Thank you Migs… 🙂

  173. el gordo permalink
    May 9, 2012 9:06 pm

    ‘Anyone who thinks differently is one too as far as I’m concerned.’

    guffaw…cognitive bias alert.

  174. May 9, 2012 9:24 pm

    Much appreciated, miglo! 🙂

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 10, 2012 12:48 am

    …Me too. Thought I’d accidentally hit the notify button below…

    me too, stop messing with us reb!

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 10, 2012 12:57 am

    …and I had to login…again, getting sick of that 😦

  177. el gordo permalink
    May 10, 2012 6:38 am

    ‘While police were seizing documents and computer equipment upstairs, Mr Williamson, the union’s national president, and his son Chris were stopped with the bag in a neighbouring underground car park.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/bag-at-the-centre-of-hsu-raid-becomes-a-legal-case-of-its-own-20120509-1yd7p.html#ixzz1uPHdGRtE

  178. May 10, 2012 7:41 am

    “Let us pause for a moment to enjoy the majesty of Craig Thomson’s magnificent gall, the gall on which Julia Gillard and her government have relied for the entire time Gillard has been Prime Minister….”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/thomson-charade-still-going-as-the-players-await-a-final-curtain-20120509-1ycxr.html#ixzz1uPYMCU5H

  179. May 10, 2012 7:43 am

    “Labor admits it foots legal bills for Craig Thomson…”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/labor-admits-it-foots-legal-bills-for-craig-thomson/story-e6frfkvr-1226351437055

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2012 8:37 am

    I just wish they’d get the bastard in front of a court!

    How he can swan around so much help is beyond me …

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2012 9:18 am

    The 15 minute comprehensive statement should be interesting, it provides Craig with about 6 seconds to deal with each adverse finding against him that Fair Work Australia has made.

    It also seems that Oakeshott and Windsor have also lost their judgment. They are publicly saying that Thomson “has a case to answer”.

    It’s all just crumbling around him, and by association, Gillard. It is yet another example of her poor judgement. She unequivocally expressed her complete confidence in Thomson, when it was entirely clear that the case against him was strong.

    Gillard must be regretting not acting earlier to offload him. She acted about a year too late.

  182. May 10, 2012 9:45 am

    “Gillard must be regretting not acting earlier to offload him. She acted about a year too late.”

    She was seduced by his “vote”.

    That’s the thing with Julia, she recruits all the wrong people for support (Slipper, Thomson) and dispenses with people (Rudd, Wilkie) when she thinks she no longer needs them..

  183. JAWS permalink
    May 10, 2012 9:50 am

    She is just a hopeless politician, a hopeless communicator, a hopeless leader which means she’s a woeful PM.

    History will footnote her term and that of Billy McMahon in the same brief sentence.

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 10, 2012 10:14 am

    Giillard – all charisma and chemistry:

    To put it at its most simple, I think that there is a line which has been crossed here.

    Journalist: Can you identify exactly where the line was crossed?

    Gillard: I don’t think this is a chemical formula about one molecule plus another molecule gives you an answer.

  185. Tony permalink
    May 10, 2012 10:47 am

    Thommo’s explanation to parliament should test his creativity, since lying to parliament could be seen as contempt of parliament, an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment.

  186. JAWS permalink
    May 10, 2012 11:03 am

    “Gillard: I don’t think this is a chemical formula about one molecule plus another molecule gives you an answer.”

    WTF ??????????????????????????

  187. JAWS permalink
    May 10, 2012 11:05 am

    So who is now paying his legals ?

    They are going to be humungous.

    And why is that total fucking parasite Williamson still on full pay ?

  188. JAWS permalink
    May 10, 2012 11:57 am

    If further proof that there is something very wrong with trade unions is needed consider this.

    A member of the HSU pays what ?……………………lets say $600 per year to be a member.

    And just this morning I get my annual invoice from the Institute and it’s for $840.

    I know I get a lot of professional updates (some on a daily basis)

    What does one get for $600 per year ?

  189. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 10, 2012 11:58 am

    “So who is now paying his legals ?”

    Maybe he can find a law firm with a long association with Labor who would be willing to act for a low fee or on a contingency basis.

    It will be interesting to see if he has to change lawyers now the ALP isn’t paying.

  190. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 10, 2012 11:59 am

    “What does one get for $600 per year ?”

    A very expensive monthly union newsletter. Why it costs at least 10 times what other unions serve up to their members.

  191. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2012 12:08 pm

    At the very least they could provide “comprehensive statements” complete with pictures on page 3!!

  192. el gordo permalink
    May 10, 2012 12:12 pm

    …’six months imprisonment.’

    Should seal Labor’s fate and we are very close now. Craig is caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if he tells the truth in 15 minutes and damned if he lies.

  193. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2012 12:58 pm

    Craig will talk about the presumption of innocence and his right to this. Some ALP researcher will give him a long list of MPs who have been under a legal cloud and he’ll read them all out. He will say he has previously denied the allegations, and that he looks forward to his day in court. He will detail some ‘media and opposition beat-ups’.

    Craig will finish with some details about his great work for his electorate and say he is entitled to continue to represent them in the parliament.

    I don’t think he’ll spend much time addressing the actual FWA findings.

  194. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2012 1:04 pm

    How funny is the second photograph down in this piece. I think a caption competition might be in order.

  195. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2012 1:06 pm

    I’ve got to say, I don’t think Tony Abbott nor anyone else should be denying the people of Dobell representation in Parliament.

  196. el gordo permalink
    May 10, 2012 1:11 pm

    ‘I think I’m going to be sick.’

  197. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2012 1:19 pm

    Bacchus, Sancty, and Jaws discuss the finer points of Financial Services reform whilst Reb “listens intently”.

  198. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 10, 2012 1:29 pm

    Captions: “No worries, guys – the three of us, an underwear model and French champagne for a couple of hours only costs $2475 – I should know!”

    “If we get sprung the ALP is good for the legals!”

    “I put in a special order at Tiffany’s – a red heifer for Tony, a sheep for me and the water sports room for Bob.”

  199. May 10, 2012 1:36 pm

    “Bacchus, Sancty, and Jaws discuss the finer points of Financial Services reform whilst Reb “listens intently”.

    Indeed. I’m in awe of the collective wisdom on display…

    I feely truly humbled to be in the presence of such greatness.

  200. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2012 1:40 pm

    *I hope you don’t think I’m mocking you, Reb, I’m just running on the theme that you’ve found such conversations somewhat “dry” in the past.

  201. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2012 1:42 pm

    *And for what it’s worth, the person in the world who I most love and respect always seems to need to use the bathroom whenever I start on the subject of financials….

  202. May 10, 2012 1:45 pm

    I understand James…

    No mockingness detected…

    However there is a bit of a chasm between reb “listens intently” and “politely ignores…”

    🙂

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2012 3:37 pm

    By the way…

    ‘Is it misogynist to call Sophie Mirabella- ‘Slagabella’?’

    I find some of that type of over the top name calling entertaining. Though it wouldn’t be tolerated here, TFR is far too polite.

    I must admit though, it appears to be a far more tolerated insult towards a woman in politics than anything that has been directed to Gillard.

    Imagine the opprobrium if anyone repeatedly used that type of language to describe the PM.

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2012 3:42 pm

    If further proof that there is something very wrong with trade unions is needed consider this.

    Another blanket statement, yer Wally … 🙄

    Here’s an example you might grasp … all bean counters are parasites on the business community … *

    *Disclaimer – while you, the reader, may agree with this statement … it is in fact meant as a demonstration to show the silliness of blaming a whole group for the actions of a few … who knows … one day you may even find a reasonably priced and intelligent accountant in your neighbourhood …

  205. JAWS permalink
    May 10, 2012 3:47 pm

    Dont you have a nappy that needs changing ?

  206. May 10, 2012 3:48 pm

    LOL!!! 🙂

  207. May 10, 2012 3:49 pm

    “you may even find a reasonably priced and intelligent accountant in your neighbourhood”

    My accountant is reasonably priced and intelligent, but I wouldn’t to get stuck next to him on a plane …

    The annual appointment at tax return time is more than enough…

  208. JAWS permalink
    May 10, 2012 3:53 pm

    “you may even find a reasonably priced and intelligent accountant in your neighbourhood”

    I actually married one

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2012 4:11 pm

    Dont you have a nappy that needs changing ?

    Offering? Still playing the man not the comment I see … 🙄 Comes with playing on the right whinge too long I guess …

    I actually married one</i.

    I can understand why …

    If memory serves, James, marrried a lawyer …

  210. el gordo permalink
    May 10, 2012 7:03 pm

    The Daily Terror asked Craig how long the ALP has been on his case, legal assistance and the like, and shouldn’t it be on the register?

    ‘Mr Thomson last night claimed he had not broken parliamentary rules because he had only received financial assistance from the ALP “within the last two weeks”.

    “I am well within my timeframe. The rules are that you make a declaration within 28 days and I have amended it tonight,” Mr Thomson said.

    Too late mate, the ALP have been giving assistance since September and Holding Redlich (legals) have been paid regularly for months.

    Is this man a compulsive liar?

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2012 7:10 pm

    Is this man a compulsive liar?

    If he is the courts will sort him out (I suspect – pun intended!)

  212. el gordo permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:11 am

    Anyway, bankruptcy is a stones throw away.

    ‘HEALTH Services Union national secretary Kathy Jackson will urge the union’s executive to sue Craig Thomson for the $500,000 he allegedly exploited from members’ funds to pay for prostitutes, high living and his own election campaign.

    ‘Ms Jackson and her lawyers are preparing legal documents to take civil action against the Labor MP turned independent, who already faces huge legal bills no longer footed by the NSW ALP.’

  213. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 9:26 am

    INDEPENDENT MP Rob Oakeshott says the Craig Thomson scandal is making him question his support for the minority Labor Government.

    “Have I entered a good faith agreement with someone who doesn’t have the authority to do it because they actually don’t have the legitimate numbers in the House to enter that agreement because it’s based on people who are dodgy,” he asked.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/oakeshott-questions-his-support-for-labor/story-e6frfku0-1226352692200#ixzz1uVnvnkUj

    Has Oakeshott lost his judgement?

    More likely, as the election gets closer, he is starting to listen to the opinions in his electorate. I think Oakeshott will start to waiver because he’s pretty well unemployable, turning on the government will give him a little more local credibility.

  214. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 9:40 am

    He wont do anything ToM

    He’ll just make a few noises to squeeze a few million bucks out of Gillard to fix a few potholes and install a few more roundabouts around his electorate.

  215. el gordo permalink
    May 11, 2012 10:30 am

    ToM might be correct, Smiley sees himself as kingmaker and will jump sides for his own long term survival.

    If he stays with Gillard the electorate will punish him.

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2012 11:51 am

    Smiley sees himself as kingmaker

    … and his electorate already sees him as a fkn ditherer .. so what … he’ll just jump from the Dodgy Brothers to the … Dodgy Brothers … 😆

  217. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 7:43 pm

    Hilarious

    Thompson reckons a union official threatened to set him up with prostitutes 8 years ago.

    Sure Craig……….I believe you

  218. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 7:53 pm

    And FWA refused to investigate the allegation properly.

    He’ s like a drowning swimmer with arms flailing about trying to grasp onto anything just anything that will help keep him afloat

    Just hillarious

  219. May 11, 2012 8:02 pm

    But he’s innocent! 😯

    He looks so earnest when he says it.

    Only a completely immoral sonofabitch would repeatedly lie on national television…oh, wait.

  220. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 9:38 pm

    This sounds very similar to the sort of thing I’ve been saying for months:

    http://www.news.com.au/national/key-independent-tony-windsor-wont-vote-against-slipper-and-thomson/story-e6frfkvr-1226353046871#ixzz1uYXNbop3

    INDEPENDENT Tony Windsor has given notice he will not vote to remove Craig Thomson or Peter Slipper saying Parliament cannot act as judge, jury and executioner…

    “Those who would seek to remove Craig Thomson and (Speaker) Peter Slipper from the Parliament by way of a vote of the House of Representatives should reflect on this principle as if they were the accused,” Mr Windsor has written in an opinion piece offered to reporters.

    “My colleague, Bob Katter, the MP for Kennedy sums it up well saying he was ‘really sensitive to kangaroo courts, and the Parliament of Australia would be the worst possible kangaroo court known to man’.

    “And further he says: ‘Let every person in Australia think of this; it’s him (Thomson) today, it could be you tomorrow’.

    “Neither Mr Thomson or Mr Slipper has been charged with having committed an illegal act let alone having faced the Court and being found guilty of any offence.

    “Whilst there may be means of censuring MPs on conduct issues, the calls for the Parliament to act and throw out a duly-elected member, is asking the Parliament to become the Judiciary in our system of governance.

    “In other words, the Parliament is being asked to be the Judge, Jury and Executioner and that is not its role.”

    Mr Windsor said that if the Parliament became “executioner” then he feared for the system of governance.

    He acknowledged the accusations against Mr Thomson in the Fair Work Australia report on the HSU were damning, but said he “still has a right to his day in court if charges are indeed laid against him”.

    “My role in the Parliament and that of the other Members – even those calling for the ejection of Mr Thomson and Mr Slipper from the Parliament – is to make and amend laws,” said Mr Windsor.

    “I don’t know whether the allegations are true or not but it is not my role to make that judgement. I will accept the decision of the court and the consequences of the court’s decision.

    “What I do know is that every Australian has rights that include a presumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty.”

  221. el gordo permalink
    May 11, 2012 9:49 pm

    “In other words, the Parliament is being asked to be the Judge, Jury and Executioner and that is not its role.”

    All the parliament is asking for is a 15 minute comprehensive statement under privilege. Seems perfectly reasonable.

  222. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 10:08 pm

    Is that why Prissy was asking for a two week suspension this week el gordo? 🙄

  223. el gordo permalink
    May 11, 2012 10:30 pm

    Who’s Prissy?

  224. Meta permalink
    May 11, 2012 10:39 pm

    (Yes; because unequivocal allegations just are very serious findings, even as an ensuing rush to damnation seems to consist of an auto-interpretation of damning powers and a liberalisation of Limbo’s purposivity in application, if Juristic-Christopher is to be believed.)

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 11:26 pm

    “What I do know is that every Australian has rights that include a presumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty.”

    So does that exempt Howard from any criticism about AWB? Or is it only ALP politicians we’re unable for form political judgments about?

  226. Bacchus permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:05 am

    You can criticize whomever you like ToM – just don’t expect that they should be thrown out of parliament just because you think they’re guilty of something 🙄

    And I’ll remind you here of your endlessly repeated statements that someone in the private sector with similar allegations made against then would not have a job any more, implying that Mr Thompson should be executed (thrown out of parliament) on allegations alone… Mr Windsor seems to have a much better grip on reality than some barrackers here…

  227. el gordo permalink
    May 12, 2012 7:51 am

    ‘CRAIG Thomson says a disgruntled union official threatened to set him up with prostitutes and ruin his political career eight years ago, in the first glimpse of how he intends to defend himself against explosive allegations against him in the Fair Work Australia report.’

    Craig knows some good yarns and is not averse to an occasional porky.

  228. May 12, 2012 9:57 am

    If Thompson wants us all to first presume his innocence until he is proven guilty is it too much to ask that he assumes we are also not stupid until proven otherwise

  229. May 12, 2012 10:00 am

    Has everyone caught up with the Laurie Oakes/Craig Thompson interview this morning ?.

    All you can do is listen and just shake your head at it.

    His defence is “I didn’t do it”

    If you have Foxtel its on Skynews interactive thingy (press Red to Activate)

  230. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2012 10:52 am

    Heavens Bacchus, you really do enjoy verballing!

    A few months ago, when I was arguing that Thomson “had a case to answer”, many others suggested that people had to withhold forming a judgement because-
    • Fair Work Australia had not completed their investigation,
    • There were no charges
    • It was a media beat-up

    Now, it seems to me that if the same people (who have now fallen completely silent on the issue) are entirely willing to lapse back into an AWB “look over there”, 10 years after the event.

  231. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2012 12:47 pm

    Apparently in Thomson’s world forensic evidence like phone records and credit card receipts is actually just hearsay.

    Kathy Jackson got it right – pathological liar.

  232. May 12, 2012 3:07 pm

    Craig Thomson talks to Laurie Oakes on the Today Show..

    http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/craig-thomson-exclusive-interview-part-2/xdbng0j

  233. el gordo permalink
    May 12, 2012 3:20 pm

    Assuming he is guilty of being a pathological liar…he needs professional help.

  234. May 12, 2012 3:37 pm

    part 1 is here…

    http://today.ninemsn.com.au/videoindex.aspx

  235. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2012 4:04 pm

    Just watched the interview. Wow! If he’s not a pathological liar, he does a very good impression of one.

  236. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2012 4:05 pm

    *not

  237. May 12, 2012 4:09 pm

    I have a new post up now on the latest Thomson developments (with apologies in advance to Kittylitter)

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2012 4:18 pm

    Now, it seems to me that if the same people (who have now fallen completely silent on the issue)

    No matter what you say, if I was innocent, I’d be saying the same thing —- so would you …

    History is full of people accused and “found guilty” before trial and the jury finds them “innocent” …

    Ordinary (intended!) people tend to “jump to conclusions” … that amazes me, after all the books that have been written and movies made on the subject of assumption …

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