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May 11, 2012

Hello!

Good afternoon and welcome to another scintillating installment of Weekend Rostrum, an open discussion where you can talk about anything you like, except climate change, which will see you banned instantly!

And what a fascinating week in politics it’s been. As we all know the World’s Greatest Treasurer delivered his fifth federal budget this week, and it was a fairly lacklustre affair. 

Not to be outdone, Federal Opposition Leader Tony the Abbott, delivered his budget reply speech which was more of an opportunity to lash out at the shambles Labor has become under Julia Gillard’s leadership than an opportunity to present an alternative policy agenda.

The train wreck that is the Craig Thomson affair, and to a lesser degree, the Peter Slipper scandal, continues to overshadow any of the policy statements or budget measures that the Government would prefer to see dominating the headlines.

Even Labor’s attempts to embroil the ever-painful Christopher Pyne in the Peter Slipper affair eventually ran out of steam.

However Labor’s fortunes could be about to change with reports emerging that Peter “Tip” Costello has expressed some regret about leaving politics prematurely and would like to get back in the saddle (so to speak).

The rumours emanated from senior Victorian Liberal Michael Kroger who earlier this week revealed that Mr Costello had approached him about re-entering Parliament.

Although the speculation has been flat rejected by Peter Costello, Mr Kruger remains adamant that his version of events is correct.

According to News Limited,  Mr Kroger revealed that former Treasurer Peter Costello thinks Tony Abbott is an  “economic illiterate”, doesn’t have a good word for John Howard, and remains critical of former colleague Alexander Downer.

Mr Costello’s bitterness towards “Howard and all his former colleagues” previously was known only over lunch tables at Melbourne restaurants and exclusive clubs.

But revelations today have exposed an explosion of grudges within the top Liberal ranks and deep fractures within the party.

At the centre is Mr Costello, the former Treasurer hailed as an economic mentor by Opposition Leader Tony Abbott in his Budget reply address last night.

Peter and former “best friend” Michael Kroger fell out in 2007 when Mr Costello was set to lead the Coalition in Opposition after the election but instead quit Parliament.

The last time they spoke was in October at a private Melbourne club when Mr Kroger insists Mr Costello asked him to help get a safe seat for a return to federal politics.

Mr Kroger decided today enough was enough and exposed his former mate’s bitterness, calling him a “bear with a terribly sore head, a migraine headache” who continued to attack former Prime Minister John Howard among others.

“People have just had enough of all this criticism,” Mr Kroger, a past state Liberal president, told ABC radio.

“People in the Liberal Party. We’re sick of him attacking John Howard. Everywhere he goes, ‘No, Howard’s no good’.

“He refuses to appear anywhere with John Howard.”

Mr Kroger said: “As all of his ex-friends know, lunch with Peter is agony. it’s a nightmare.

“You sit there and listen to him unload on Howard. He’s not gracious about John.

“Alexander Downer was a great foreign minister…He’s got to make up with Alexander…

“Peter has got to stop criticising Tony Abbott. He is not a economic illiterate. he’s a Rhodes Scholar for God’s sake.

“He’s got to stop criticising (federal Liberal president) Alan Stockdale and Malcolm Turnbull and (Melbourne Lord Mayor) Robert Doyle and (Senator) Michael Ronaldson and John Hewson and Andrew Peacock and (Mr Kroger’s former wife Senator) Helen Kroger.

“The list goes on and on…the Kemp brothers…the list goes on and on.”

Mr Kroger repeated the claim that Mr Costello had asked him to find a seat for him, and stick by it, although he suggested Mr Costello “puts a different interpretation on what he said”.

“Oh I wish I had another go,” Mr Kroger quoted him as saying.

“Peter doesn’t seek to help Tony Abbott at all,” continued Mr Kroger. He didn’t seek to help Malcolm Turnbull at all (when he was Opposition Leader).”

In other news, US President Barack Obama has received a wave of support after throwing his support behind marriage equality for same-sex couples.  It’s a courageous move in a nation known for its obsessive religious fundamentalism.  Closer to home, it’s a move which re-affirms just how out of step Julia Gillard is, with the majority of Australians on this issue.

Finally, where’s my cash hand out?

Have a top weekend everybodies…

 

 

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  1. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 2:25 pm

    Done a bit of work over lunch on this, so please excuse the diversion.

    Is Craig Thomson guilty of an offence carrying a maximum penalty of greater than 12 months?

    Federal Criminal Code 1995 – See S142.1(3)(b)

    142.1 Corrupting benefits given to, or received by, a Commonwealth public official
    Giving a corrupting benefit
    (1) A person is guilty of an offence if:
    (a) the person dishonestly:
    (i) provides a benefit to another person; or
    (ii) causes a benefit to be provided to another person; or
    (iii) offers to provide, or promises to provide, a benefit to another person; or
    (iv) causes an offer of the provision of a benefit, or a promise of the provision of a benefit, to be made to another person; and
    (b) the receipt, or expectation of the receipt, of the benefit would tend to influence a public official (who may be the other person) in the exercise of the official’s duties as a public official; and
    (c) the public official is a Commonwealth public official; and
    (d) the duties are duties as a Commonwealth public official.
    Penalty: Imprisonment for 5 years.
    (2) In a prosecution for an offence against subsection (1), it is not necessary to prove that the defendant knew:
    (a) that the official was a Commonwealth public official; or
    (b) that the duties were duties as a Commonwealth public official.
    Receiving a corrupting benefit
    (3) A Commonwealth public official is guilty of an offence if:
    (a) the official dishonestly:
    (i) asks for a benefit for himself, herself or another person; or
    (ii) receives or obtains a benefit for himself, herself or another person; or
    (iii) agrees to receive or obtain a benefit for himself, herself or another person; and
    (b) the receipt, or expectation of the receipt, of the benefit would tend to influence a Commonwealth public official (who may be the first mentioned official) in the exercise of the official’s duties as a Commonwealth public official.
    Penalty: Imprisonment for 5 years.

  2. May 11, 2012 2:33 pm

    “Penalty: Imprisonment for 5 years.”

    I sincerely hope so….

    But then, he’ll probably write a book and become a Christian….

    You know, the usual stuff you do in jail…

  3. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 2:37 pm

    It’s the legal fees once he was suspended from the ALP. Would they “tend” to influence him in the exercise of his duties?

  4. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 2:54 pm

    That’d probably where you’d have difficulty James – proving payment of legal fees would tend to influence him to act any differently in the exercise of his duties. He’s a long time member of the Labor party and his neck’s on the line.He’s hardly going to act against his best interests as he sees them, regardless of who’s paying the piper…

  5. el gordo permalink
    May 11, 2012 2:57 pm

    If the NSW ALP hadn’t come to his aid, to pay his costs after Craig’s bout with Fairfax, then there was a tendency to stay in power and not become bankrupt.

    His judgement was influenced.

  6. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 3:09 pm

    That section of the Criminal code may well get an airing with Mr Ashby however 😉

  7. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 3:26 pm

    That’s why the wording is interesting, Bacchus. “Would tend” puts it in the mind (I think) of the “reasonable person”. The objective with this type of legislation is for public officials to accept nothing in the way of benefits. It should be read (I think) in contrast to “did tend” which makes it more subjective and about what was in Craig Thomson’s mind.

  8. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 3:34 pm

    So James, would a reasonable person think that a long time Labor party hack would tend to act differently in the exercise of his duties because of this payment? That I assume would be the point of argument.

    With Mr Ashby however, would a reasonable person think that he would tend to pursue a course of action IF someone was covering his legal expenses and possibly more?

  9. May 11, 2012 3:39 pm

    OMG..

    Yesterday it was accountants anonymous..

    Today, it’s fkn Judge Judy…

  10. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 3:42 pm

    “……….He’s a long time member of the Labor party and his neck’s on the line………….”

    I suppose then he’ll be up there with Curtin and Chifley as a true Labor Party hero

  11. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 3:46 pm

    Ashby is not acting in the exercise of his duties.

    Now understand that I am only speculating here…..I really don’t know enough about it.

    IF it’s the reasonable person rule, then you can forget long time Labor hack stuff. He’s now an Independant. No longer subject to the rules of party discipline.

    Let’s say the Libs wanted to pass a law that said it was perfectly reasonable for Union officials to use members’ funds to spend time with hookers. One might say that Thomson might be all aboard such a law, as an Independant. Except for the fact that the other mob continue to fund his legals, and probably won’t if he supports the new law.

  12. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 3:48 pm

    Go back to sleep reb 🙂

  13. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 3:53 pm

    That’s a V E R Y L O N G B O W there James.

    You’re right, he’s no longer subject to the rules, but any reasonable person could see that it may be in his best interests to continue to support the Labor party regardless of any payments made. He’s still claiming he’s innocent (and of course we all believe him 🙄 ) so expects to be accepted back into the party with open arms once all this pesky legal stuff is out of the way…

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2012 4:02 pm

    Is Craig Thomson guilty of an offence carrying a maximum penalty of greater than 12 months?

    Surely you mean if Craig Thomson is found guilty?

    And I think proving that payment for legal fees by a political party to one of its members is corruption would be difficult to prove … by either measure — balance of probabilities or beyond reasonable doubt …

    As for the Union stuff … I suspect that the statute of limitations might cause a bit of angst … as for your “new law” hypothetical … tha’s all it is and it would be retrospective anyway …

    LOOK OVER THERE! Is that TIP CUSTARD? 🙄

  15. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 4:06 pm

    “……….so expects to be accepted back into the party…………..”

    I doubt it.

    They have to cut him loose for there own credibility. They cant take him into the heart of Head Office ALP or ACTU.

    And no individual Union will want a bar of him. They’d have members leaving left right and centre.

    He’ll be working for Jim’s Lawn Mowing once all this is over

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2012 4:06 pm

    **And I think proving that payment for legal fees by a political party to one of its members …**

    My understanding is that he was still an ALP member when his fees were paid …

  17. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 4:10 pm

    Thompson’s sticking around because he knows what he’s got now is the only form of income he’ll have for a loooooooooong time.

    And he’s destined for a lot of legal bills to come.

    And if the ALP are found to still be supporting him in future well its illegal to offer inducement to an MP for his/her vote

  18. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 4:24 pm

    Whichever way this pans out Jaws, Mr Thompson will not be an MP after the next election – even if he’s is totally exonerated on all counts and if Labor win in a landslide 😉

  19. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 4:26 pm

    Yes TB, that statute of limitations might well get in the way on the electoral matters – not sure about HSU stuff though…

    http://www.aec.gov.au/Parties_and_Representatives/compliance/AEC_Advice/russell_galt.htm

    The AEC has concluded that further investigation into the matter would not be warranted under subsection 315(11) of the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918. Under subsection 315(11), any offence would need to be referred for prosecution within 3 years of an offence having being committed. As the legal fees were paid in December 2003, the three year period has expired.

    The AEC considers the matter completed.

  20. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 4:27 pm

    It’s only a couple of weeks ago, TB. And I accept it’s a kind of a long bow. Someone asked me about it so I checked it out over lunch, not even a good, actually qualified lawyer would come to a conclusion that quickly. It’s just a matter thrown up for discussion that’s all.

    As for Costello v Kroger, well meh, I never liked Kroger so I’m on Costello’s side. I wished Costello hadn’t quit. He did. I wished Howard had quit. He didn’t. I wish the ALP hadn’t legislated a Carbon Tax. They did.

    I’m due.

  21. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 4:29 pm

    He’ll be working for Jim’s Lawn Mowing once all this is over

    He won’t be working. Someone has offered a pretty sizeable inducement for him to stick around and wear all of this.

  22. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 4:38 pm

    “Someone has offered a pretty sizeable inducement ……..”

    Ya reckon………..?

    At the risk of “Go to Jail”, “Go Directly to Jail”, “Do Not Pass Go” and “Do Not Collect Your Two Hundred Dollars”

  23. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 4:57 pm

    I’ve said it before, to TB I think, there is no way in the world I could sit there and take all this shit, and even if I could, I wouldn’t do it to my family. There has to be an incentive.

  24. el gordo permalink
    May 11, 2012 4:58 pm

    ‘I wish the ALP hadn’t legislated a Carbon Tax. They did.’

    If the Abbott gets a bounce in the next polls and Julia don’t….I expect her to fall on her sword.

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2012 5:01 pm

    There has to be an incentive.

    Innocence … ?

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2012 5:02 pm

    LOOK OVER THERE …. TIP CUSTARD and CROAKER (sic) ….

  27. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2012 5:27 pm

    This story is huge! If what Kroger is saying is true it should wipe the Thomson affair off the front pages. I can see the headlines now: “Costello Sore Loser”, “Tip Talks Behind Backs”, “Former Treasurer Boring Lunch Companion”, or, the real doozie, “Costello-Howard No Longer Besties”.

  28. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 5:52 pm

    Innocence … ?

    TB, yes, I did mention that last time. Looking less likely now.

  29. May 11, 2012 5:59 pm

    “That’s a V E R Y L O N G B O W there James.”

    He’s equipped with an arsenal of those.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2012 5:59 pm

    If what Kroger is saying is true it should wipe the Thomson affair off the front pages. I can see the headlines now …

    Yeah, I’ll bet … 😛

  31. May 11, 2012 6:00 pm

    The Liberals are eating their own…guffaw! 😆

    Slagabella has temper issues & Peter needs a spine transplant.

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2012 6:01 pm

    G’day Toillette … how’s GoT 2 shaping up? I’ve got the six ebooks (free of course 😉 ) downloaded onto my eReader and after I finish “1915” (600 pages to go) I’ll make a start …

  33. May 11, 2012 6:01 pm

    “That’s a V E R Y L O N G B O W there James.”

    Didya hear the one about Salvador Allende?

  34. May 11, 2012 6:12 pm

    Evening, TB (& Melbournian filth)…I’ve only slept 1 hr since 18:00 last night, so forgive my muddy ramblings.

    The books are awesome, TB. I’ve not enjoyed any fiction so well before. I’m about 1/3 of the way through A Dance With Dragons at the moment. That’s the last completed, #5 of a series of 7, with 2 to come & one of those currently being written.
    The HBO series is a mere taste of the intricate web woven within the books. Season 2 is well done so far…but having read the books, it’s lost its ‘wow’ element a little because I am constantly comparing it to what should happen next. The plot is simplified & some characters are absent, but all of the pivotal stuff is the same. In fairness, the books are on such a grand scale as to be almost impossible to reproduce for the screen. Having said that, the characters are superbly cast & the production is first rate, like all HBO series.
    Have seen up to ep #6 & things are getting very interesting indeed.

    The direwolves are fkn monstrous now, the size of small horses!…& they love to maim & dismember. 🙂

  35. May 11, 2012 6:15 pm

    Not sure how you have 6 books, TB. Only 5 are published thus far? Is one of them a sordid romp through the seedy world of the Maroons?

  36. May 11, 2012 6:16 pm

    Joffrey is an even more infuriating little tnuc than in Season 1.

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2012 6:31 pm

    Toillette, yep, wrong series, five books and he’s writing six with seven to come …

    I might hold off reading (based on your post above) … books are always “deeper” (for obvious reasons) …

    We tell folk, that its the same “quality” as “Deadwood” … getting some really good Collections now ie Band of Brothers, Pacific, Deadwood, GoT(BRay), The Bourne Trilogy – BRay) …

  38. el gordo permalink
    May 11, 2012 6:33 pm

    ‘….re-affirms just how out of step Julia Gillard is, with the majority of Australians on this issue.’

    Yep, a majority of Australians are happy to see it happen, we are broad minded on a whole range of issues. Whereas our Julia is always hedging her bets, watching the Abbott.

  39. May 11, 2012 6:56 pm

    (& Melbournian filth)

    Hey! I resemble that remark…..!

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2012 7:09 pm

    If the cap fits … lol … 😉

    … maybe you could rename the blog Melbourne Tymes?

  41. May 11, 2012 7:14 pm

    The stench couldn’t be ingrained in you that quick, reb. 😉

    You’ll always be human to me, until you start spouting SouthBank platitudes like Herr Bolt & Co. 😉

  42. May 11, 2012 7:16 pm

    Would anyone like a latte…?

  43. May 11, 2012 7:17 pm

    So you don’t have Thaiday’s tell all autobiography detailing widespread bestiality, not just rife throughout the Borncos, but infesting the entire niche fetish sport which comprises the predictably mediocre & unpopular NRL, TB?

  44. May 11, 2012 7:28 pm

    Andrew Bolt Hates Possums and muslims, greens, leftists, Obama, people who claim aboriginal heritage [but don’t satisfy his criteria], Dawkins, Assange etc. etc. squirt, squirt because they eat the poor dear’s flowers. Boofuckenhoo…

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_the_possum_who_touches_my_roses_is_endangered/

    The man is a fucktard. 🙄

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2012 7:28 pm

    Aw c’mon, Toillette, that was ????????????? just one bloke sticking his finger up people’s arses in tackles, ahh, Hoppoate from memory (I told, sreb, he’d find following NRL more intersting than aerial ping pong) …

    The BRONCOS play the Sea Beagles tonight, should be a good game for us, coming off a loss to the Warriors and our well known rivalry with, Fatty Vautin’s, mob …

    BTW, I accidently hit your “namessssssssssssssssss” and went to an horrific website! (Explains the Queensland colours you wear on your posting name … like all blogmastas @ wordpress)

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2012 7:30 pm

    The man is a fucktard

    Hear! Hear!

    “Bargain Hunt’s” nearly over (I can hear the auction in the next room) … and THE GAME is about to BEGIN!

  47. May 11, 2012 7:35 pm

    I can only assume, never having had one, that lattes include milk?

    Have I ever mentioned cleaning mastitis out of filters?

  48. May 11, 2012 7:41 pm

    Onya, TB! 🙂

    You are probably the 27th ‘visitor’ to This Toilet Earth. 😆

    Now that I’ve got a few days off (solid work for the last 2 months 😦 ) I might put in a bit of effort to spruce that place up & put some really outlandish shit on there. 😯
    I’d considered doing a thread each week taking the piss out of the weekend’s AFL, so I could talk to myself about it there, in quarantine rather than here.
    I figure I can be as big a cnut as I want about it if it’s my own space of defecation on teh interwebz…

    Funny, I’m still laughing that you went there by accident! Did you like the straightedge fucktards?! 😯

  49. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 7:42 pm

    Hi Tony. Will enjoy watching the Bloods do to the Tiges what East Malvern did to the hapless South Yarra last week.

    Think Li’l Sancty might make his debut.

  50. May 11, 2012 7:45 pm

    Andrew Bolt is a bigger oxygen thief than any possum. What with his roses, his opera fetish & his daily outrages against the mundane barbarity.

    His head would look good mounted on my gate post.

  51. May 11, 2012 7:46 pm

    The handbagz couldn’t even beat the Crows…at home!…again! 😆

  52. el gordo permalink
    May 11, 2012 7:47 pm

    A friend came back from NZ and presented me with a pair of possum gloves…

  53. May 11, 2012 7:50 pm

    They’re smeared all over the roads in NZ.

    I hope they eat Bolt’s eyeballs while he sleeps. He’s such a delicate pissant. What a prize sook.

  54. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:04 pm

    Not so sure about that, James. They’re about $1.90 each of two at the moment. Would you care for a small wager?

  55. May 11, 2012 8:12 pm

    Richmond for the win!

    Goodes is a broken down old has been & the rest are talentless ‘tryers’.

  56. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:13 pm

    😉

  57. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:16 pm

    Go Swannies

  58. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:21 pm

    (Loving my new Peugeot pepper-mill.)

  59. el gordo permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:30 pm

    ‘I frequently speak to Tony Abbott and advise him as he requests. We had a private dinner in Melbourne recently to discuss positioning for the Budget…’

    Tip Custard

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:31 pm

    I’m about to go out, but I can’t allow the contentious topic of PEPPER MILLS pass with out comment.

    I certainly though Tony had more taste, but the Florentine pepper mill represents true enjoyment.

    http://shop.mazehome.com/11-Florentine-Pepper-Mill/PAGIIBKDHPNJAGHP/product

  61. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:32 pm

    LOL

    What see do you use it for ToSy ?

    Salt …………….?

    LOL

  62. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:32 pm

    Loser fund Fifi and Lulu at the Melbourne dinner?

  63. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:33 pm

    I meant what else do you use it for ?

  64. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:37 pm

    And why would someone need 12 inches of pepper anyway ?

  65. May 11, 2012 8:38 pm

    The Melbourne Inner Circle Club is a perverse abomination against anonymity.

  66. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:39 pm

    “Loser fund Fifi and Lulu at the Melbourne dinner?”

    Done.

    The Florentine pepper-mill looks a bit fancy for my taste.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:40 pm

    Fifi & Lulu don’t mix with riff-raff I’m afraid James.

  68. May 11, 2012 8:40 pm

    Haha.

    Lurkers have been lifting the lid & looking in the toilet.

  69. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:40 pm

    “And why would someone need 12 inches of pepper anyway ?”

    We use a lot of pepper. Saves refilling.

    (Surely JAWS isn’t engaging in double entendre? 😯 )

  70. May 11, 2012 8:42 pm

    “‘why would someone need 12 inches of pepper anyway ?”

    12 inches is not to be scoffed at.

  71. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:46 pm

    ‘Professor R. J. Rummel, who keeps track of such things, now estimates that in the 20th century 262,000,000 people were murdered by their own governments. And all these horrors were perpetrated by collectivist governments for the alleged sake of “the proletariat,” the “master race,” and especially, “the greater good.” None were done by countries based on individualism.’

    http://freedomkeys.com/collectivism.htm

    (Sorry, couldn’t help myself.)

  72. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 8:47 pm

    That’s a lot of pink batts

  73. May 11, 2012 8:48 pm

    “We use a lot of pepper. Saves refilling.”

    How true. I’m not one for postponing a refilling any longer than necessary myself.

  74. May 11, 2012 8:51 pm

    Reb, nice ploy of yours today tying Neil up over at Massive’s place.

    While he’s off looking for some bullshit links at least everybody else can relax.

  75. May 11, 2012 8:53 pm

    We use a lot of pepper. Saves refilling.

    Have you tried using less? Even less refilling.

  76. May 11, 2012 9:04 pm

    Why use less when you can use more..?

    This whole ‘less is more” thing is totally over rated (as far as I’m concerned at least anyway).

  77. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 9:26 pm

    Oooops

    TB & Bacchus are not gunna be happy

  78. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 9:30 pm

    Broncos beaten by Manly in the last minute

  79. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 9:33 pm

    Why Jaws? It was a very good game. Unfortunately the better team on the night lost on this occasion, but it was still a very good game. Refereeing was good, both sides played hard and fair. The difference in the end was the Broncos goal kicker not having his kicking boots on tonight. That’s real rugby league!

  80. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 9:45 pm

    Melbourne will win it this year.

    How the hell do manly stay under the cap?

    Stewart x2, cherry Evans, foran. Lyon. Mathai, Williams. Watmough,

    Did I miss someone of note

    Mmmmmmmm……..

    Bit sus

  81. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 9:51 pm

    Maybe Jason king but he is fringe- ish

  82. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 9:59 pm

    Yep – Melbourne are the team to beat. Manly certainly have some top notch players Jaws – many who’ve been at the top of their game long enough to command top dollar. Maybe there’s a bit of a “culture” there that means top players are willing to fore go absolute top dollar to stay in the culture.

    Other teams with that “culture” attraction are Broncos and Melbourne (and there’s similar in the 15 man code too – think the Reds halfback recently). Most other Sydney teams have commanded that ability to retain players due to “culture” in the past but most have lost that now – Eels, Bulldogs, Roosters, Sharks, Magpies, Tigers, Bears, Dragons, Panthers.

    Interesting – I think the Dogs and Sharks are on the way to regaining that at the moment. The next couple of years will tell…

  83. Bacchus permalink
    May 11, 2012 10:03 pm

    Watmough and Lyons along with the Stewarts are probably on top dollar. Cherry Evans was playing Q Cup two years ago, but probably deserves a good contract, especially considering his Kangaroo selection – even if he didn’t get a run…

  84. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 10:17 pm

    Sharks ?

    Nah…….

    Almost broke…………….still

    The Dragons need a 3rd home ground LOL

  85. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 10:19 pm

    I suppose the big news this weekend will be whether the Greeks get their act together. I think the deadline is tomorrow ???

  86. el gordo permalink
    May 11, 2012 10:44 pm

    From Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in the UK Telegraph.

    ‘The new bonds issued after private investors suffered a 75pc haircut in March are already trading at levels of extreme distress, with 21pc yields on 10-year debt. The EU deal to end all deals has collapsed after just two months.

    ‘The disastrous chain of events has essentially discredited the entire crisis policy imposed on Europe by Germany. Combined fiscal and monetary contraction has pushed much of southern Europe into a deflation “death spiral”, pulling the rest of Europe down with a delay. Even The Netherlands is now in deep recession.’

  87. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 11:05 pm

    Excellent news then El Elgordo

    We shall be patient and feast upon the cheap carcasses to come.

    And afterwards complain to kitty about feeling bloated …….. Just
    to annoy and arouse her slight dislike of capitalist pigs

  88. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 11:06 pm

    Ooops I forgot this bit

    🙂

  89. JAWS permalink
    May 11, 2012 11:22 pm

    Oh well

    At least the Titans got the Dogs

  90. Bacchus permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:08 am

    yep – bit of a shock there. Titans for the spoon still Jaws?

  91. JAWS permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:14 am

    I think that’s a 3some of parra , panthers, and titans LOL

  92. JAWS permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:18 am

    Just watching JB Morgan. What a mess .

    How can a 2billion dollar loss be a result of hedging.

    YOU HEDGE TO PREVENT losses like that.

    Who runs the joint…………………. The Greeks ?

  93. JAWS permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:25 am

    Qatar have just bought a huge piece of Shell .
    Qatar have been looking at gas assets of late.
    Shell owns 24% of Woodside ….

    Mmmmmmmmmm……….!

  94. JAWS permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:31 am

    Just last year…………

    “Shell chief executive Peter Voser told a briefing in London that Australia was the next big platform for growth for Shell.
    “The next tranche of energy growth for Shell is coming from Australia,” he said after releasing Shell’s fourth-quarter results.
    Shell is developing the Prelude floating liquefied natural gas project off WA’s northern coast and has a 50 per cent interest in the Arrow Energy LNG project in Queensland.”

  95. JAWS permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:56 am

    Big budget war movie on its way from George Lucas

    TB will be happy…………at least once this week anyway.

    Maybe twice if he realizes he needs to change nappies LOL

    http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0485985/

  96. el gordo permalink
    May 12, 2012 7:43 am

    Julia didn’t get a bounce in the polls, so its all over red rover.

    “The real test is that if you are throwing that much money at people and you don’t get a bounce, then you realise they have just stopped listening,” a senior Labor source said.

    ‘Rather than shore up support among those Labor regards as its blue-collar base, the “class-war” budget appears likely to lose the government even more votes.’

    From the Daily Terror.

  97. el gordo permalink
    May 12, 2012 8:33 am

    And when the Chinese stop buying Eurozone bonds, we know in our hearts that its curtains.

    ‘The eurozone has lost a crucial lifeline as China’s biggest sovereign wealth fund said it no longer wanted to buy European government debt.’

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2012 9:14 am

    What about us???

    Do the Chinese want to buy our debt.

    Who will fund Swans deficit spending if the Chinese will not buy our bonds??

  99. May 12, 2012 9:21 am

    We are us.

  100. el gordo permalink
    May 12, 2012 9:40 am

    ‘Do the Chinese want to buy our debt.’

    Yes…

  101. el gordo permalink
    May 12, 2012 11:34 am

    The free enterprise system requires a balance of trade. We are the quarry and China the factory, buying our bonds is a good investment.

    I appreciate Neils angst against this pseudo treasurer….bring back tip custard for an encore…find him a seat.

  102. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2012 11:54 am

    In 2007 we had no Federal government debt hence there was no need to issue government bonds.

    There actually was some discussion after we became debt free whether the Government should still continue to issue bonds. The answer was we should continue to play in the bond market.

    However when Swan became Treasurer deficits became normal again and we had to issue bonds to finance the Labors parties debt spending.

  103. Meta permalink
    May 12, 2012 12:15 pm

    (Yes, Neil; there’s not the slightest possibility of forgetting Labor’s reckless spending and appalling waste; there are craters the size of open-cut mines all over Australia where the debt bombshells have gone off; and, soon, the MRRT and Carbon Tax will blow Australia to smithereens.

    Personally, and just as an aside, I think it would be remiss of China to continue buying Australian bonds or waiting until 2028-2032 to invade; the time is now, when Labor has failed to keep Australian Forces preeminent in air, on land, at sea, or under it, and has blown so much taxpayers’ and taxpayers’ great-great-great-grandchildrens’ dosh that it can’t afford to fight back with anything other than big pictures of bombs.

    Hence, Comrade Abbott’s preemptive appeasement strategy of preparing the childrens to speak the new high-tongue as a matter of supreme urgency.)

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2012 12:59 pm

    In 2007 we had no Federal government debt hence there was no need to issue government bonds…

    The Abbott Fact Check & Other Matters:

    http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/1973-the-abbott-fact-check-other-matters

    …ABBOTT: People who work hard and put money aside so they won’t be a burden on others should be encouraged, not hit with higher taxes.

    FACT: The tax to GDP ratio of the first 5 Labor Budgets averaged 21.1%. The lowest ever tax to GDP recorded under the Howard government was 22.2% and the average was 23.4%. The last time a Coalition Government delivered a tax to GDP ratio below 21.1% was in 1979-80. Cannot see where the “hit with higher taxes” statement fits these facts in the current Budget context…

    …ABBOTT: I know what it’s like to deliver sustained surpluses because I was part of a government that did; indeed, sixteen members of my frontbench were ministers in the government that delivered the four biggest surpluses in Australian history.

    FACT: As a share of GDP, they are not “the four biggest surpluses in Australian history”. The two biggest surpluses as a share of GDP were actually delivered by the Gorton and McMahon governments, followed by the 3rd largest surplus from the Howard Government, the fourth largest at 1.9% of GDP was delivered by the Whitlam government.

    The “four biggest surpluses in Australia’s history” in dollar terms, which fit Mr Abbott’s claim, were in fact driven by the highest tax to GDP ratio in Australia’s history plus there was an extra $5.2 billion in dividends in those four years from the RBA…

    ..ABBOTT: If the budget really was coming into surplus, it stands to reason that the government would have no further need to borrow. If the government really thinks that a surplus can be delivered, as opposed to being merely forecast, why is it proposing to add a further $50 billion to the Commonwealth’s debt ceiling?

    FACT: The debt ceiling is rising due to the requirement to main a deep and liquid bond market and to allow for intra-year cash flow lumpiness in government accounts.

    See also: http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/1286-gross-debt-gross-ignorance-2

  105. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:23 pm

    http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/1286-gross-debt-gross-ignorance-2

    “The amount or size of the market for government debt is clearly important. If you net off the government financial assets (as any business or even household would do), net government debt is a trivial 7% of GDP. That’s the same as someone earning $100,000 a year having a mortgage of $20,000 with $13,000 in a savings account (net debt $7,000 or 7% of annual income) and net interest costs of around $600 a year or $50 a month.”

    Well if I was on $100,000/year I could pay off a $20,000 mortgage in less than 6 months. Let us see Labor pay off some debt if it is so easy.

    Stephen Koukoulas is a total FOOL.

  106. Bacchus permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:28 pm

    Well if I was on $100,000/year I could pay off a $20,000 mortgage in less than 6 months. Let us see Labor pay off some debt if it is so easy.

    Maybe, maybe not Neil. It would depend on what else you had to support on your $100,000. Add 20 kids, 3 cars, 2 horses, a cat & a dog and see how well you do 🙂

  107. Bacchus permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:31 pm

    There’s the other side of the coin too KL – spending:

    http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/1966-mr-hockeys-budget-knowledge-exposed

    * Real government payments (spending) will fall by 4.3% in 2012-13. In nominal dollar terms payments will fall by $7.1 billion. In terms of “genuine savings”, the 4.3% fall in real government spending is the largest ever recorded, ever; and the fall in nominal spending is the first such fall ever record.

    Blind Freddie can see that these savings in the Budget are quite massive.

    * On another level, the spending to GDP ratio falls to 23.5% in 2012-13, some 0.7% of GDP lower than under the Howard government and down from 25.1% in 2011-12.

  108. el gordo permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:36 pm

    ‘…preparing the childrens to speak the new high-tongue as a matter of supreme urgency.’

    It’s well overdue…Mandarin would have to be the most popular.

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:36 pm

    20 kids??

    My point still stands

    If Stephen “I am a fool” Koukoulas thinks our debt is small and easily handled let us see Labor just pay some of it off.

    Most mortgages go down all the time. When has Labors debt ever gone down??

    And yes, if I was on $100,000/year I could pay off a $20,000 mortgage in 6 months.

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:45 pm

    If Stephen “I am a fool” Koukoulas thinks our debt is small and easily handled let us see Labor just pay some of it off.

    I think we know who the [willing] fool is!

    Another item of interest, but apparently not of ‘public’ interest according to both liberal and labor. I for one, am very interested.

    Senate blocks release of secret piracy docs

    and

    Unpaid Internships: Bad for Students, Bad for Workers, Bad for Society

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/05/unpaid-internships-bad-for-students-bad-for-workers-bad-for-society/256958/?google_editors_picks=true

  111. el gordo permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:52 pm

    ‘Labor has failed to keep Australian Forces preeminent in air, on land, at sea, or under it,’

    I don’t see any threat, but Ross Babbage does.

    “It’s a complete and utter nonsense. It’s a deep falsehood to say the plans of the white paper are on track…”

  112. Bacchus permalink
    May 12, 2012 1:59 pm

    Your point only still stands because you’re single, living with your parents alone with only yourself to support. The government has a ship load more to do than just pay off a mortgage!

  113. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2012 2:12 pm

    “The government has a ship load more to do than just pay off a mortgage!”

    It was Stephen “I am a fool” Koukoulas who compared our government debt to a mortgage.

    In fact he said our debt was like someone with a salary of $100,000 having a $20,000 mortgage.

    Do you people actually care about Australia or do you want us to be like Greece???

  114. Bacchus permalink
    May 12, 2012 2:26 pm

    Debt & Deficit are not dirty words Neil. We can in no way be compared to Greece (or any of the EU countries for that matter.)

    It is interesting how you focus on just one aspect of what Mr Koukoulas has to say and label him a fool based on that alone. Of course you’re much more economically qualified than someone who “has been Senior Economic Advisor to the Australian Prime Minister, Global Head of economic strategy and research at a major bank in London, has a decade of experience as Chief Economist in Australia, worked as a senior Treasury official and been the Australian Financial Review’s Economics Analyst and columnist…” and “…is currently Managing Director of Market Economics Pty Ltd.

    As well as this experience, he has a B Ec Hons – what are your qualifications that entitle you to call him a fool Neil?

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2012 3:52 pm

    Well if I was on $100,000/year I could pay off a $20,000 mortgage in less than 6 months. Let us see Labor pay off some debt if it is so easy.

    And how many people have a $20,000 mortgage? Noddy … with a couple of kids, a car on loan and credit card debt along with living expenses … you lot really are a bunch of Liberal dickwits!

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2012 4:06 pm

    As well as this experience, he has a B Ec Hons – what are your qualifications that entitle you to call him a fool Neil?

    But … but … Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar … and I’m wondering if he actually graduated (after all he didn’t finish his seminary studies) did he actually finish his economics, law and arts studies?

    His wikepedia biography only says he “studied” … did he actually graduate?

    (Personally, I have a Business degree … five years of mature age distance ed. slog, graduating when I was 45 … and I get pissed off with wankers who say “I studied” … but when it comes to graduation it all fades away to, “well, only for six months” … and “honorary” degrees piss me off too!)

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2012 4:42 pm

    “And how many people have a $20,000 mortgage? Noddy … with a couple of kids, a car on loan and credit card debt along with living expenses … you lot really are a bunch of Liberal dickwits!”

    It was Stephen “I am a fool” Koukoulas who used the example of someone with a $100,000 salary paying off a $20,000 mortgage.

    http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/1286-gross-debt-gross-ignorance-2

    Stephen “I am a fool” Koukoulas was trying to make out our government debt is easily handled and not a problem. Well let us see Labor pay some of it off.

    The ALP in Queensland went from zero debt in 1988 to $85B now and lost it credit rating during the biggest mining boom in our history, And the boom took place in Queensland.

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2012 5:02 pm

    Were you here in 2008, Noddy?

    I know people who lost $500, 000 over night …

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2012 5:10 pm

    The amount or size of the market for government debt is clearly important. If you net off the government financial assets (as any business or even household would do), net government debt is a trivial 7% of GDP. That’s the same as someone earning $100,000 a year having a mortgage of $20,000 with $13,000 in a savings account (net debt $7,000 or 7% of annual income) and net interest costs of around $600 a year or $50 a month. And no, I haven’t “done a Barnaby” and left off a few zeros – these numbers illustrate the extent of Australia’s debt “problem”.

    Ahh … so you took it out of context … typical (and yes I should have read it before commenting, I should have known you wouldn’t “get it”!)

    My bold BTW …

  120. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2012 5:14 pm

    ???

    Why have I taken it out of context??. Koukoulas is trying to make out our government debt is small and easily handled.

    He used the example of someone with a $100,000 salary with a $20,000 mortgage.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2012 5:47 pm

    Koukoulas is trying to make out our government debt is small and easily handled.</i.

    I give up!

    ……………………………………………..

    “Murphy, I am going fishing tomorrow and don’t want to close the clinic. I want you to take care of the clinic and take care of all me patients”.

    “Yes, sir!” answers Murphy.

    The doctor goes fishing and returns the following day and asks: “So, Murphy, how was your day?”

    Murphy told him that he took care of three patients. “The first one had a headache so he did, so I gave him Paracetamol.”

    “Bravo Murphy lad, and the second one?” asks the doctor.

    “The second one had indigestion and I gave him Gaviscon, so I did sir” says Murphy.

    “Bravo, bravo! You’re good at this and what about the third one?” asks the doctor.

    “Sir, I was sitting here and suddenly the door flies open and a young gorgeous woman bursts in so she does. Like a bolt outta the blue, she tears off her clothes, taking off everyting including her bra and her panties and lies down on the table, spreading her legs and shouts: ‘HELP ME for the love of St Patrick! For five years I have not seen any man!'”

    “Tunderin’ lord Jesus Murphy, what did you do?” asks the doctor.

    “I put drops in her eyes.”

  122. Bacchus permalink
    May 12, 2012 6:16 pm

    LOL TB..

    Yes, Mr Abbott did graduate – it’s just that he hasn’t used any of what he supposedly learned since. From Wikipedia:

    He graduated with a Bachelor of Economics (BEc) and a Bachelor of Laws (LLB) from the University of Sydney where he resided at St John’s College, and was president of the Student Representative Council. He then travelled via India to Britain to study at Queen’s College, Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar, where he graduated with a Master of Arts (MA) in Politics and Philosophy

    Mr Koukoulas trumps your Tony though, since his degree was a B Ec, but with Honours and he’s used the knowledge constantly since graduating 🙂

  123. May 12, 2012 7:02 pm

    It would be nice if this government did the conventional thing and treated the $10B Green Fund as spending. Instead its treated as an “Investment”.

    And then we have another little “investment” of $38B being rolled out near you.

    How come roads and hospitals and schools aren’t treated as Investments

    Guess what I’m referring to ?

  124. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2012 7:19 pm

    Where’s Sancty? 😉

  125. public toilet permalink
    May 12, 2012 7:25 pm

    Go tiges!

  126. public toilet permalink
    May 12, 2012 7:27 pm

    Also, crows blasted Geelong right up the bowelsystem!
    Contenders?

  127. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2012 7:29 pm

    Could be, they’re playing well.

  128. public toilet permalink
    May 12, 2012 7:32 pm

    I’ve watched 12 crows games this year. They’ve lost ONCE. 😯

  129. el gordo permalink
    May 12, 2012 7:41 pm

    GWS Giants record first AFL victory….

  130. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2012 7:58 pm

    Sancty’s had a bad day.

  131. JAWS permalink
    May 13, 2012 12:28 am

    WTF

    German Foreign Minister claims on CNN that Greece will definitely remain
    in the Euro yet the German Finance Minister said tonight that the EU can
    function without Greece and possibly will need to

    Meanwhile latest Greek coalition talks have failed. They have until Thursday
    apparently or new elections will be called

  132. JAWS permalink
    May 13, 2012 12:33 am

    “GWS Giants record first AFL victory….”

    Oh

    I thought they were the Dufch AFL team.

    Why is it that Tasmania has no AFL team. They have a Shield team

    Obviously Hobart is not huge population. But neither are a few other
    Teams

  133. JAWS permalink
    May 13, 2012 12:36 am

    New Greek elections will be on 17 June

  134. Meta permalink
    May 13, 2012 1:00 am

    (Koukoulas’s orthodox rationale, so far as one goes along with it, seems reasonably transparent, Neil; rather than gross debt being treated as a big-bad-scary, it becomes merely a tool; and net debt, even net assets, the better measure; particularly as debt-as-tool is used to moderate narrow and broader risks to net and gross positions within and over cycles via a pool of debt-assets available(d); set out to grossly shrink or wrong-size the moderation pool, with reference to proportional size of economic entity to receive treatment via that moderation potential, in fulfillment of misplaced ideology or uncritical sense of loss aversion, and increase the risks seems to be the derived bottom-line.

    In even simpler terms, Koukoulas seems to be saying that Robb, Hockey, Abbott & Co would like to ‘run’ the Australian economy at the best and the worst of times as if they were (mis)managers of a Fukushima power plant, completely oblivious of/to waves, even (global financial) tsunami(s).

    Or, something like that.)

  135. Meta permalink
    May 13, 2012 1:35 am

    (Many thanks for the many interesting links, over time and recently, KL.

    I found the Delimiter’s overview of backroom ‘piracy’ re public discussion and accepted standards of freedom from information most intriguing. In particular, the proffered rationale…

    “I have decided that disclosure of these documents would be contrary to the public interest,” the department’s director of its FOI and Privacy Section, Malcolm Bennett said at the time in one argument made. “My reasons for so concluding are essentially the same as [AGD senior legal officer Jane Purcell]‘s— that is, that the discussions that are taking place are at a delicate and sensitive stage.”

    Public exclusion from (knowledge of) “delicate” and “sensitive” discussions “that are taking place” would seem the essence of a kabuki democracy and wonted political stagecraft.)

  136. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2012 4:53 am

    “The Green River Formation, a largely vacant area of mostly federal land that covers the territory where Colorado, Utah and Wyoming come together, contains about as much recoverable oil as all the rest the world’s proven reserves combined, an auditor from the Government Accountability Office told Congress on Thursday.”

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gao-recoverable-oil-colorado-utah-wyoming-about-equal-entire-world-s-proven-oil

    http://science.house.gov/sites/republicans.science.house.gov/files/documents/hearings/HHRG-112-%20SY20-WState-AMittal-20120510.pdf

  137. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2012 5:05 am

    (You don’t seem to hear much about “peak oil” these days.)

  138. Meta permalink
    May 13, 2012 9:43 am

    (Yes; approaching not-peak oil is going very well.)

  139. el gordo permalink
    May 13, 2012 11:16 am

    Cheap abundant energy will secure our future…particularly if the sun remains cold.

  140. el gordo permalink
    May 13, 2012 11:50 am

    Stop laffing this is serious.

    ‘SENIOR Labor figures believe the Gillard government should cut ties with the Greens and call an early election if parliament becomes unworkable.

    ‘The internal debate comes as one of the union leaders who backed Julia Gillard for The Lodge, Australian Workers’ Union boss Paul Howes, prepares to publicly urge the party to distance itself from the Greens.’

    Daily Terror

  141. Meta permalink
    May 13, 2012 11:54 am

    (That will learn the latte-sippin’, inner-city leets; and no doubt raise the stocks in Smith with the bookies!)

  142. el gordo permalink
    May 13, 2012 1:40 pm

    Smith is still trailing, not exactly Black Caviar, but ultimately he is Labor’s last chance. Break with the Greens and go to the election without the tax, using the money saved on VFT and other sweeteners.

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2012 3:51 pm

    Why is it that Tasmania has no AFL team. They have a Shield team

    Their heads get in way if they have to sheperd or bounce the ball and they often argue over where to kick the ball … slows the game down even more than usual …

    Imagine 36 players and 72 heads – bedlam … 😛

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2012 4:46 pm

    Hi meta

    “I have decided that disclosure of these documents would be contrary to the public interest,” the department’s director of its FOI and Privacy Section, Malcolm Bennett said at the time in one argument made.

    Funny how the government decides what is contrary to the public interest and it is usually what we are most interested in. It is this secrecy, lack of transparency and accountability to the people that drives operations like wikileaks. We have a right to know what governments are doing in our names, before the deals have been signed and sealed. It’s too late and too tricky and devious to say that if you don’t like it, you can vote us out at the next election. We should be informed up front.

  145. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2012 5:12 pm

    I tend to agree. Release the information and let us, the people, decide if it’s in our interest. Looks like Big Content trying to protect its patch. Pure anti-competitive, anti-free market, anti-consumer behaviour. Personally, I’d like to know who these organisations are that the government and the opposition are pandering to, and how much money they’ve contributed to the respective political parties.

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2012 5:21 pm

    ToSY can you direct me to the link you are discussing (always interested in The Robber Barons at work)

  147. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2012 5:32 pm

    Speaking of greedy politicians…………

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/former-premier-anna-bligh-wrote-to-successor-campbell-newman-asking-for-taxpayers-to-cover-costs-of-her-mobile-phone-ipad-and-staffer-to-answer-her-mail/story-e6freoof-1226352442922

    “ANNASTACIA Palaszczuk has distanced the Labor Party from Anna Bligh’s bid to have taxpayers to pay for her mobile phone, iPad and a staffer to answer her mail, saying she does not support the move.”

    Bligh is now on a $150,000 pension for life and she wants more taxpayers funds.

  148. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2012 5:35 pm

    Here ya go, TB.

    http://delimiter.com.au/2012/05/11/senate-blocks-release-of-secret-piracy-docs/

    Courtesy ‘armchair opinionator’ above, May 12, 1:45 pm

  149. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2012 5:37 pm

    “Bligh is now on a $150,000 pension for life and she wants more taxpayers funds.”

    Parasites.

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2012 5:44 pm

    Thanks, ToSY, I did find and read it …

    I coulldn’t improve on the last post much either … makes my point with a KISS eloquence, I think …

    Harquebus

    Posted 11/05/2012 at 8:29 pm | Permalink | Reply

    He who pays the pipers calls the tune or in other words, those with the gold make the rules.

    Parasites.

    LOL! Aren’t they all?

  151. Meta permalink
    May 14, 2012 3:59 am

    (Yes, Neil…

    Despite falling six months short of rules requiring premiers to serve five years before gaining access to such ongoing government gratuity, Ms Bligh has put her hand out for the “entitlements” for the two months after her crushing election defeat. The former premier has asked Mr Newman to fund her phone, iPad and staff member, which she has continued to use since quitting Parliament after the March 24 election. Ms Bligh, who retired on a lifetime pension of at least $150,000 a year, has argued the staff member is necessary to help her deal with the continuing correspondence and invitations linked to her former role. But it is understood Mr Newman has rejected his predecessor’s push for special perks, saving Queenslanders about $20,000. The decision is likely to force Ms Bligh to backpay her phone bill, return the iPad and open her own correspondence. Mr Newman declined to comment yesterday. Ms Bligh and her unnamed staff member could not be contacted. There is certainly no love lost between the current and former Queensland premiers after Ms Bligh’s attacks on Mr Newman’s personal interests during the bitter state election campaign. The Government’s official ministerial handbook states it is a matter for the premier to decide their predecessor’s entitlements.

    …Bligh is unequivocally very greedy. Former Premiers should down tools immediately; any residual correspondences, even those ideally resulting in redirections to Campbell or some other relevant personage, ignored and/or binned; any good longish-term former Premier would do that.)

  152. JAWS permalink
    May 14, 2012 9:53 am

    “……LOL! Aren’t they all?………”

    Which reminds me what exactly is ex National Party Senator Bill O’Chee upto these days ?

  153. JAWS permalink
    May 14, 2012 9:55 am

    “…..ANNASTACIA Palaszczuk has distanced the Labor Party from Anna Bligh’s bid to have taxpayers to pay for her mobile phone, iPad and a staffer to answer her mail,”

    What does a Letter Bomb Expert get paid these days ?

  154. JAWS permalink
    May 14, 2012 10:20 am

    From AAP this morning

    Australia has identified gas reserves that could keep up the rate of current production for nearly two centuries, Resources Minister Martin Ferguson says.

    Mr Ferguson said the Australian gas resources assessment for 2012 had identified gas resources, excluding shale gas of about 390 trillion cubic feet, which equated to 184 years of gas production at the current rate.

    “Importantly, this report reconfirms Australia’s capacity to continue to be a major gas exporter, supplying the world’s growing demand for gas well into the future,” Mr Ferguson was to tell the annual Australian Petroleum Production and Exploration Association conference in Adelaide on Monday.

    The report also found Australia has significant shale gas resources in Central Australia.

    “While exploration for shale gas in Australia has only recently commenced and resources are poorly understood, shale gas could potentially double Australia’s gas resources,” Mr Ferguson said.

    The report chronicles the growth of gas resources and industry infrastructure developments in the last two years.

    In 2010-11 Australia exported 20 million tonnes of liquefied natural gas.

    Mr Ferguson said the forecast would grow by a further 19 per cent in 2012-13 as production from the Pluto LNG project in Western Australia came online.

    “Based on projects under construction, LNG production capacity is projected to quadruple by 2017 to make Australia one of the world’s largest exporters of LNG.”

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2012 10:38 am

    That’s great news, Wally, my only concern is how they extract it and what damage they might do to aquifer reserves … especially the Grat Artesian Basin …

    (I have a little experience in the gas extraction process)

    Off for a gruelling day at the seafront … 😉

  156. el gordo permalink
    May 14, 2012 10:54 am

    ‘Off for a gruelling day at the seafront …’

    It’s dirty work, but somebody has to do it.

  157. JAWS permalink
    May 14, 2012 11:04 am

    “…..my only concern is how they extract it and what damage they might do to aquifer reserve….”

    Which has led to the unlikely partnership of Alan Jones and the Greens.

    Every morning Jones is banging the drum on CSG and tearing into the current NSW LNP govt over it.

    And he does make some very good points.

    They even started drilling in St Peters which is a suburb located next to Sydney Airport. Imagine if you owned a joint there and what a drilling platform does to your property value.

    Its bloody ridiculous.

    And then of course there is concern over the aquifers as you point out

  158. el gordo permalink
    May 14, 2012 11:40 am

    ‘…tearing into the current NSW LNP govt over it.’

    The barrackers have been tearing into Jones for years, so this should give them a moment for sober reflection.

  159. JAWS permalink
    May 14, 2012 11:56 am

    There are too many idiots out there that dont realise that the next boom is not going to be minerals led. Its going to be “Food”.

    Thats where Australia’s future lies. Exporting to a wealthier and wealthier Asia.

    Just look at TWE (Treasury Wine Estates) which owns the Penfolds, Wolfblass etc brands. Its share price has been steadily climbing over the last 12 months as its it currently on an expansion plan into Asia. So why would you tear up the Hunter or Barossa for short term gas reserves.

    Then you have other companies like GNC (Graincorp) which exports wheat, or AAC (Australian Agricultural) which exports meat, or even the humble BGA (Bega Cheese) which exports cheese and baby formula.

    Why screw up good agricultural land or the aquifers that feed into it ?

  160. el gordo permalink
    May 14, 2012 12:15 pm

    For food security the Chinese are going to Africa. Their investment is fairly insignificant at present, but they intend ramping this up to match their mineral and energy investment.

  161. JAWS permalink
    May 14, 2012 12:47 pm

    Another EU government in terminal mode ?

    German Chancellor Merkel’s CDU has suffered its worst post-war defeat in North Rhine-Westphalia State elections held over the weekend.

  162. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2012 12:57 pm

    ‘China now controls 95 percent of total rare-earth supply. A figurative sneeze on its export policy is all that’s needed to shake global markets, and in 2010 China began restricting rare-earth exports. International prices spiked, reaching near-dizzying levels last summer before crashing in the fall. In the wake of the World Trade Organization case, they’ve perked up again. . . .

    ‘That may soon change. Encouraged by rising prices and political support, new mines are starting up around the world, most notably in Malaysia and in California, where a company called Molycorp has reopened what until the 1980s was the world’s flagship rare-earth mine.

    ‘“In five years there will be rare earths produced all over the world and China will lose its edge,” said mining analyst John Kaiser, editor of Kaiser Research Online. “Molycorp is part of that equation. They’re putting back into production what was once the largest rare-earth mine in the world. And this is a good thing because it takes away power concentrated in China.”’

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/05/rare-earth-mining-rises-again/

  163. JAWS permalink
    May 14, 2012 1:12 pm

    Rare earths ?

    Have a look at Lynas Corp LYC.

    Just be prepared for a “fun” ride up and down.

    Or Iluka

  164. JAWS permalink
    May 14, 2012 1:14 pm

    The curious thing about “rare earths” is that most are not really “rare”

    They just are not really mined

  165. JAWS permalink
    May 15, 2012 8:45 am

    There’s a bit of a train of thought going in Sydney (following the latest Newspoll) that the Gillard/Swan might have tried to be too smart by half hence the tiny “bounce” in support.

    By restructuring the Back to School Allowance they have not won any votes from those who already get it (as it was pre-existing and has simply been streamlined) and they have pissed off people who had forgotten about it and are already fed up with subsidizing families and middle class welfare in general.

    There are a very large number of voters in the $60K to $90K zone that do lots of overtime just to get to that salary and are extremely angry that they are getting nothing whilst others who choose to breed seemingly get all the breaks.

  166. May 15, 2012 10:33 am

    According to the “budget calculator” I am going to be $3 a year (or $0.06 cents a week) better off…

    I’ll try not to spend it all at once…

    http://www.news.com.au/money/federal-budget/budget-gives-labor-a-three-point-boost/story-fn84fgcm-1226355769313

  167. JAWS permalink
    May 15, 2012 10:46 am

    A few years ago you would have been scoffing at the $5 a week tax cut that Howard gave out.

    Where’s your outrage lad ?

  168. May 15, 2012 10:52 am

    “Where’s your outrage lad ?”

    I’m resigned to the fact that I’m a second class citizen but a first class taxpayer..

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2012 10:53 am

    Amazingly I’m also $3 a year better off! That means I can have almost an extra latte every year!

  170. el gordo permalink
    May 15, 2012 10:59 am

    Being in very small business (VSB) I’m relatively poor and proud to say I pay no tax, thanx to my accountant.

    Signed some papers yesterday and she asked me pointedly…’How do you survive?’

    In a funny way its embarrassing.

  171. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 15, 2012 11:08 am

    “a first class taxpayer”

    Very virtuous indeed. You should be proud. We all appreciate your contribution, as do Chantelle, her five children and their five unemployed fathers.

  172. JAWS permalink
    May 15, 2012 11:22 am

    Surely Chantelle’s 15 year old daughter is also now pregnant.

  173. JAWS permalink
    May 15, 2012 11:24 am

    Well Egg

    Welcome to the Winners Circle.

    You are going to benefit BIG from Julia’s largesse

  174. el gordo permalink
    May 15, 2012 11:41 am

    ‘You are going to benefit BIG from Julia’s largesse’

    I can’t see it…we seem to fall through a hole every time. Remember when they handed out money to everyone at the GFC, pissing it up against the wall, I didn’t see a bit of it.

  175. JAWS permalink
    May 15, 2012 11:48 am

    Your bit probably went to an ex-pat corpse laying in a cemetery in Santorini

  176. el gordo permalink
    May 15, 2012 11:52 am

    🙂 ‘…cemetery in Santorini.’

  177. May 15, 2012 3:52 pm

    Now, it’s fair to say I’ve maligned NRL a fair bit over the years because it’s a shit sport that’s about as exciting to watch as lawn bowls & there is but a thimble full of any sort of talent in the whole league but…they definitely have something right butt fingering & dog molesting aside.

    At least the powers that be let them play it hard & don’t appear to be on a mission to take the brutality out of the game. They hit hard & get up quick & get on with it. More importantly, they go about it without too much fear of suspension for laying brutal, but fair, tackles.

    The AFL, on the other hand, seem determined to sanitise the game into a sport of second guessing & self preservation, where the hard contact is removed by increments.
    This shits me. I imagine I’m not alone in that.
    On a Sunday, Ch 7 will often play an old game before the days fixture. Looking back on what used to be the norm serves only to highlight the way that things have been degraded; as far as hard contact goes, at least. Simply, 10+ years ago players were able to go in harder without fear of reprisal. If they tried that shit now, to the same extent, half the team would be missing the next couple of weeks.

    My bias here is pretty clear. The Crows are travelling well & just had their spearhead (& current AFL leading goal kicker) rubbed out for a fortnight. Walker can’t win. He’s maligned for a lack of effort one week then suspended the next for making the effort.
    I put to you that I’d feel the same way if it were any other team though except those Port cnuts .

    In closing, I’d just like to say…

    FUCK OFF & BURY YOURSELF ALIVE, ANDREW DEMETRIOU !!!

    *end of rant…

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/free-tex-and-kick-the-afls-ass/story-e6frecj3-1226355974205

  178. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2012 8:31 pm

    I got blocked by Craig Emerson on Twitter for this series of tweets. There were three replies in there from him……

    It’s great that politicians are listening to the people.

    James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    Nice to wake up on 41st bday to be labelled “young liberal”. Cheers. @CraigEmersonMP

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP 1- Governments that promise one thing before an election and do the exact opposite after. AND YOU KNEW YOU WOULD.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP 2- Governments that tolerate the kind of contemptible behavior going on in the trade unions. And tolerate you have.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP 3- Plagiarism. From ministers and members reporting from taxpayer funded junkets.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP 4- Government ministers describing constituents as being of “no consequence”.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP 5- blaming your border prot failure on push factors, then switching to an abomination of a policy in Malaysia. People dying.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP 6- the nation’s wealth being urinated against a wall on no hope ventures called “investments”.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP 7- Governments, supposed leaders, trying to create societal divisions. Tories? You idiots.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP 8- being told massive deficits don’t have an adverse effect on interest rates then being told the opposite re surpluses.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP 9- Opposition leaders being fitted up for racism to incite riots on our national day.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP interesting you raise the issue of what voters like. Want a list of ten things they don’t like? 10-Elected leaders knifed.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP you’ve gone quiet but do you get it? It’s actually got really insulting. There won’t be an ALP soon. It’s that bad.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP Keep insulting the voter. Keep up the rehearsed lines. Keep sneering “Abbott”. And keep watching your vote head south.

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    13 May James Shannon‏@Warrigal150

    @CraigEmersonMP Do you understand how utterly stupid you look with all this due process stuff. Due process worth nil if stat of lim expires.

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  179. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2012 8:31 pm

    Start from the bottom up……sorry.

  180. el gordo permalink
    May 15, 2012 8:35 pm

    Rebecca Brookes has been charged with ‘perverting the course of justice’.

  181. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2012 9:12 pm

    Not really, although I stalk you…..:shock:

  182. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2012 9:14 pm

    😯

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2012 9:38 pm

    I got blocked by Craig Emerson on Twitter for this series of tweets. There were three replies in there from him……

    You sound surprised, James?

  184. May 15, 2012 9:53 pm

    Onya, snacty. I’m all for the general populace letting the MP’s know that they’re being watched.
    Imagine how much worse they’d be if they thought they really had a free hand?! 😯

  185. Meta permalink
    May 15, 2012 11:36 pm

    (I’m not sure that observing ‘due process’ in one place necessarily should fulfill a desire to meet ‘limitations’ in another; maybe, if harmonisation between two (or more) places is really desired, and there might be arguments pro and con on that, then ‘reform’ based in ‘lessons learned’, or even ordinary causal reality, probably should form a prominent part in the Esteemed Brandis’s proposal for further debate-inquiry; along with, say, any supplementary ideas about how to better resource or empower an FWA or an EC to better/faster progress investigations and/or prosecutions, if that’s even possible (there seemed to be a lot of necessary/mandatory administrative to-ing and fro-ing on docs and interviews, from my brief perusal of the FWA Report), but, either way, still observing ‘due process(es)’ (and possibly even some sense or semblance of the kind of ‘separation of powers’ that Windsor et al sometimes like to talk about); not merely (retrospective) magic-thinking doing the (prospective) heavy-lifting.)

  186. JAWS permalink
    May 16, 2012 10:15 am

    Do these people have even the tiniest grasp of reality ?

    Casual work can be unstable because the Work that’s required cant be predicted. Which means the workflow is ………..well……………….unstable.

    As a tradeoff for annual leave will the casual worker sacrifice the 25% hourly loading they currently receive that compensates for no A/L ?

    http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/give-casual-workers-annual-leave-actu/story-e6frfm9r-1226357346943

  187. Tony permalink
    May 16, 2012 11:06 am

    <i<New York Times: Private Sector Edges Deeper in Space

    ‘It sounds like a routine event for NASA: At 4:55 a.m. on Saturday, a rocket is scheduled to lift off from Cape Canaveral, Fla., and carry cargo — but no people — to the International Space Station.

    ‘But if all goes as planned, that morning will mark something transformative for the space industry: a victory for capitalism in what has been for decades a government-run enterprise. The capsule, built by Space Exploration Technologies Corporation — SpaceX, for short — would be the first commercial spacecraft to make it to the space station, and many observers view its launching as the starting gun in an entrepreneurial race to turn space travel into a profit-making business in which NASA is not necessarily the biggest customer.’

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/science/space/contracts-help-private-sector-edge-deeper-into-space.html?_r=1

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2012 11:10 am

    Do these people have even the tiniest grasp of reality ?

    Well you certainly don’t, if you believe money can compensate for time … not spent with family and friends …

    … you’re the one that posts during the middle of the week, out fishing on the mate’s, “big boat” …

    … but you advocate that other people should be denied some time of their own because they get paid an extra $2.50 ph … how much an hour do you charge …

    Talk about a bunch of fucking hypocrites with no understanding of the working poor in this country …

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2012 11:15 am

    SpaceX, for short — would be the first commercial spacecraft to make it to the space station, and many observers view its launching as the starting gun in an entrepreneurial race to turn space travel into a profit-making business in which NASA is not necessarily the biggest customer.’

    Hurrah … for commercialism … but remember, ToSY, this is after all the high cost research and development, risk taking by military personnel and the possibilities proven by tax payer money … and BIG government spending … and just one political visionary …

  190. JAWS permalink
    May 16, 2012 11:39 am

    TB

    There is nothing hypocritical about it.

    One either wants a job or they don’t. Even if it is casual. So obviously you oppose Casual employment then.

    So employers have to employ excess labour on each shift just in case someone calls in sick.

    People like you just want to put so many constraints on employers they just wont bother hiring employees.

    Besides someone not classified as an Adult is on $10 per hour by the way ?

    Clearly its you with no understanding if you don’t even know what the minimum hourly rate is these days.

    By the way if you check back you’ll actually find that I went out on my mates boat only once during the week. Otherwise it’s been on the weekend. And Lord knows how that’s bloody relevant anyway.

    Oh I forgot………………..you just like the politics of envy.

    And as far as this bit is concerned

    “Well you certainly don’t, if you believe money can compensate for time … not spent with family and friends …”

    Clearly you left your kindergarten comprehension skills in bed this morning as I didn’t even raise the issue of overtime payments. I was talking about the 25% Award loading for Casuals.

  191. JAWS permalink
    May 16, 2012 12:08 pm

    Oh………….so the abolition of the “casual” is not about worker welfare at all. Its about preserving the strength of the Unions according to Paul Howes

    “………Australian Workers’ Union national secretary Paul Howes said the push would help prevent the disintegration of the movement into “isolated fortresses” of unionism….”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/actu-out-to-reverse-work-casualisation-improve-bargaining-power/story-fn59noo3-1226357513342

  192. el gordo permalink
    May 16, 2012 12:12 pm

    I identify with the working poor.

  193. el gordo permalink
    May 16, 2012 12:37 pm

    The middle kingdom has told Bob Carr that’s its either us or them, not too hard to swap allegiance. We need trains fast.

    ‘There is still much to be done, as the minister freely admits. Our equipment is ageing. Our flagship long-distance trains, the XPTs, were introduced in 1982 and are 30 years old.

    ‘What plans are there to replace them with a new generation train?

    ‘A trip around the world reveals amazing new trains that would make even the least informed of us green with envy. Some of our double-deck interurban trains must be nearly 50 years old.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/points-for-choosing-right-track-but-long-haul-needs-clear-destination-20120515-1yoqy.html#ixzz1uzp3mc37

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2012 3:06 pm

    One either wants a job or they don’t.

    Oh, does one?

    … of course one may have trouble finding permanent work and one then resorts to part time/casual work, where one is employed at the whim of the employer … not the contract of a permanent job …

    So employers have to employ excess labour on each shift just in case someone calls in sick.</i.

    No, they don't … and that demonstrates your lack of HR knowledge and management in general …

    While you may be well qualified as a bean counter … I've never encountered (don'tcha love it!) a bean counter who remotely understood real management of people … and somehow I doubt your the exception …

    People like you just want to put so many constraints on employers they just wont bother hiring employees.

    … and I’d bet dollars to pancakes I’ve employed far more people than you have … under far more awards and contracts … and I suspect treated them with more respect …

    Oh I forgot………………..you just like the politics of envy.</i.

    Wrong again … what have I to be envious about? I've been happily retired for six years …

    … I do get angry at the lack of justice and industrial democracy in our workplaces and the LibNat approach of simply making money and sell, sell, sell …

    … instead of providing service and striving for return business and long term clients …

    … not all professions have manipulated the system to the extent that all businesses NEED to see and accountant every year …

    Not envy, (your words BTW) more like challenging your politics of arrogance and born to rule, 'cause I'm better'n everybody else, posts …

    … by all means fool the likes of, Noddy, but some of us came through the "ranks", the hard way, putting up with "bosses" who don't give a shit except their own advancement and simply see workers as soft tools … not human beings with needs …

  195. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2012 4:05 pm

    The ACTU isn’t just taking about insecurity as a casual. They’re saying contracting jobs are insecure, making up 40% of the workforce.

    Presumably this includes working with some of Australia’s biggest companies (many are contractors) – Leightons, Transfield, Lend Lease… Then there are all the some quite large contracting companies that have long term relationships with big operational companies such as Telstra, Qantas, Blue Scope Steel, BHPB, Rio… Then there are the dozens that have several years worth of work in government projects, such as NBN construction.

    The ACTU is either just sensationalising this issue for publicity, or they don’t know what they’re talking about.

  196. JAWS permalink
    May 16, 2012 4:06 pm

    “… and I suspect treated them with more respect … ”

    I suspect you surrounded yourself with “Yes” men

    You quote me here

    “…So employers have to employ excess labour on each shift just in case someone calls in sick…….”

    And all you can say is…………………………… “No they dont”…………and thats the response. WOW. Aint that detailed. You got me convinced………….NOT

    What sort of a f***ing answer is that supposed to be ?

    Its as good as the Thompson “It wasn’t me defence”…………………….Pathetic

    I doubt you know much about Awards at all. Certainly nothing in relation to running any sort of business with the exception perhaps of a one man band dogwash where even the clients cant respond if you pull on their fur too hard

    “……….and I’d bet dollars to pancakes I’ve employed far more people than you have … under far more awards and contracts …”

    We will never know will we. However having myself been an employed at very high level management in ASX Listed Mining, Listed Construction, Non Listed Building Materials Manufacture, Listed Retail and Listed Insurance I do wonder if you are really the “expert” you keep claiming to be.

    “I’ve been happily retired for six years … ”

    That I very much doubt given the way you come on here some mornings and open up venting at someone like Neil with a pathetic insult rather than any real effort to actually engage his argument or if you have none bring up a new talking point.

  197. JAWS permalink
    May 16, 2012 4:31 pm

    “……….They’re saying contracting jobs are insecure, making up 40% of the workforce….”

    And that’s where they see what was once their membership now residing. In that 40%.

    Hence their eagerness to get rid of contracting and casuals.

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2012 4:33 pm

    That I very much doubt given the way you come on here some mornings and open up venting at someone like Neil with a pathetic insult rather than any real effort to actually engage his argument or if you have none bring up a new talking point.

    Wally, you should actually read some of the stuff you post … and as for fucking, Noddy … if he chooses to use phrases blanketing all ALP supporters as liars why would I want to “engage” …

    What “argument” … Hypocrites.

    Also the ALP are liars and the masters of deceit.

    Lot more volatile shit is posted than is received … and my “venting” is ‘usually because I have limited time to play and can’t believe the back patting (“I Believes) and reinforcement of untruths and innuendo from the Rat Pack whenever I drop in …

    Like 90% of posters here these days, Noddy, are (sic) a rusted on bunch of right wing, know it alls, spreading the, Young Liberal BS … who often can’t see the wood for the trees (or think that everything is simply made from coal or oil …

    And all you can say is…………………………… “No they dont”…………and thats the response. WOW. Aint that detailed. You got me convinced………….NOT

    Not my job to educate you … I can direct you to some text books but you would never understand the application … you could always start at the bottom and read up on Maslow’s Heirarchy of Needs Theory, or, check out, The Hawthorne Experiment, but I somehow doubt you get the subtleties of workplace psychology … and you still wouldn’t have the ability opportunity to actually apply the methods anyway …

    Whips, poor working conditions and threats don’t make money (in the long term) … good products/services, involvement of the troops and recognition will …

    … I can guarantee it!

    As my business mentor used to say … “I’d sooner work with great people in a lousy job, than in a great job with lousy people” … and I agree …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy!

    TB Farnham

  199. el gordo permalink
    May 16, 2012 4:35 pm

    After the US and Japan, Italy has the world’s third largest debt …’at €1.9 trillion it is big enough to bring the global financial system to its knees. It is also in the front line of contagion as the Greek crisis metastasizes.’

    Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

  200. JAWS permalink
    May 16, 2012 4:45 pm

    I know about the Hawthorne Experiment by chance.

    If you think that has relevance to a Kitchen Renovator/Bathroom Renovator/Small Retailer or any small business which might employ 4 or 5 people (some on a casual basis) but collectively they do employ the vast bulk of the workforce then you truly are lost in some weird universe of you own textbook fantasies.

    Any other textbooks or answers to make our “eyes glaze over”

  201. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2012 4:49 pm

    (“I Believes)

    WTF? I’m not even in this fight.

  202. JAWS permalink
    May 16, 2012 4:53 pm

    Sorry James

    I’m not sure we can have you here anymore since North Melbourne was named as a hotbed of terrorism in the Herald Sun today.

    What sort of head dress does the wife wear ?

    LOL

  203. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2012 5:21 pm

    “I prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy!”

    Sounds touching TB, but what does it mean? Are they mutually exclusive choices?

    All people bar hermits live in societies and those societies have economies. The question is what sort of society and what sort of economy?

    I would prefer a society that allows me the freedom to live my life according to my own precepts (without impinging on others) and an economy that produces sufficient wealth so that all members can live well. This latter point assumes a sufficient level of wealth distribution.

    Essentially that would be a market-based democracy. I suspect we all agree on this and the differences are relatively minor in the scheme of things, yet they seem to provoke a lot of heat.

  204. el gordo permalink
    May 16, 2012 5:48 pm

    ‘Like 90% of posters here these days, Noddy, are (sic) a rusted on bunch of right wing, know it alls,’

    I reject the notion that I’m ‘a rusted on right wing’…having only recently moved to the right because of the stench of watermelons going off.

  205. JAWS permalink
    May 16, 2012 5:53 pm

    “I suspect we all agree on this and the differences are relatively minor in the scheme of things, yet they seem to provoke a lot of heat.”

    Only when one tries to argue in favour of an employment classification that has been in existence for eons which is now under attack because as Paul Howes argues they need to boost their membership numbers.

    It’s got nothing to do with the welfare of workers as they claim.

    Its just so they can pressgang more money from the poor to blow on whores as quickly as possible before the demands of greater transparency (which they are still arguing against can you believe) become too great to hold back.

  206. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2012 6:16 pm

    Maybe I’m getting a bit soft in my old age, but it seems to me that we need to look at what it is we want. What would a happy prosperous Australia look like. For me that would be a free and fair society which had adequate wealth distributed widely among the citizens. it would incentivise behaviours that produce a flourishing economy without pressuring people to work long hours for low pay in insecure jobs. It would develop its human capital and allow scope for people to pursue happiness according to their own lights.

    We should probably look at other societies which seem successful and in doing so look at the whole system. Welfare benefits may be great, but not if they come at the cost of massive debt or if they disincentivise hard work. Free markets have been great engines of wealth creation (in a way that command economies have not), but they need to be tamed to knock off the rough edges and smooth out the boom-bust cycle that so often occurs in them.

  207. el gordo permalink
    May 16, 2012 6:29 pm

    ‘smooth out the boom-bust cycle’

    The Chinese capitalists may have the answer.

  208. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2012 6:36 pm

    Let’s wait and see about China. They are fairly new at this game.

  209. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2012 6:39 pm

    I’m more interested in the Scandinavian countries, which seem to produce reasonable outcomes, and also in what went wrong in places like Iceland, Ireland and the Baltic states, which were doing quite well for a while, before their bubbles burst.

  210. Tony permalink
    May 16, 2012 6:55 pm

    Things seem a bit tense around here. 😯

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2012 7:17 pm

    Perhaps a little friction! Unusually though I don’t think I caused it.

  212. el gordo permalink
    May 16, 2012 7:50 pm

    ‘…the process of vote-buying with debt, builds division, friction, lack of collaboration, less wealth creation and ultimately a spiral down in the economy.”

    David Murray on the budget.

  213. May 16, 2012 11:27 pm

    “I would prefer a society that allows me the freedom to live my life according to my own precepts (without impinging on others) and an economy that produces sufficient wealth so that all members can live well. This latter point assumes a sufficient level of wealth distribution.

    Essentially that would be a market-based democracy. I suspect we all agree on this and the differences are relatively minor in the scheme of things, yet they seem to provoke a lot of heat.”

    Amen…

  214. el gordo permalink
    May 17, 2012 5:32 pm

    Typical bipartisan public servant.

    ‘JAMES Ashby, the staffer who has accused federal Speaker Peter Slipper of sexual harassment, has now lodged a separate complaint in the human rights commission against the Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr and Queensland National Barnaby Joyce.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/slipper-accuser-now-pursuing-carr-joyce-20120517-1ysym.html#ixzz1v6sRllYR

  215. JAWS permalink
    May 17, 2012 8:19 pm

    Where is every body ?

    Where is the Blogmaster these days ?

  216. el gordo permalink
    May 17, 2012 8:40 pm

    It’s quiet around here…TB’s off in a huff but the whereabouts of the blogmaster is a mystery.
    ——————

    Noticed that UK mortgage holders are expecting a sharp increase in rates, because of the banks high cost of borrowing.

    The rates are at a record low of 0.05%, where it’s been for 38 months.

  217. JAWS permalink
    May 17, 2012 8:43 pm

    What……………………..?

    Who upset TB …………..?

    LOL

  218. Tony permalink
    May 17, 2012 8:52 pm

    “Who upset TB …………..?”

    Noddy? The Nils? Wally? ToMMy? The resident legal expert? Egg?

    I give up. 😉

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2012 9:00 pm

    It’s difficult to sustain positive contributions when-

    • Government is so much more difficult than it looked.
    • The pesky press keep reminding people of your promises.
    • Various allies, colleagues and hangers on are dishonest.
    • Half the population dry retch when Our Leader opens her mouth.
    • Every time you complain of a “media beat-up” the facts emerge to prove it wasn’t.

    It’s no wonder that these days, so many have little to say.

  220. Tony permalink
    May 17, 2012 9:20 pm

    It’s happens every time with leftist ‘movements’: “By the summer of 1968, Sar began transitioning from a party leader working with a collective leadership, into the absolutist leader of the Khmer Rouge movement. Where before he had shared communal quarters with other leaders, he now had his own compound with a personal staff and guards. Outsiders were no longer allowed to approach him. Rather, people were summoned into his presence by his staff.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot#The_path_to_rebellion_.281962.E2.80.9368.29

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2012 9:29 pm

    “The rates are at a record low of 0.05%, where it’s been for 38 months.”

    I still think John Howard was right when he said interest rates would always be lower under a Coalition govt. Whether that is good or bad is another question. Older people need higher interest rates because they live off their savings.

    But our interest rates are WAY above the rest of the world. They all appeared to crash due to the GFC- except ours. Our cash rate was similar to the US’s pre GFC. For some reason the US rate crashed and ours did not.

    Could it be that our high rate of borrowing means we need to have higher interest rates???

  222. Bacchus permalink
    May 17, 2012 9:38 pm

    Could it be that our high rate of borrowing means we need to have higher interest rates???

    You didn’t give that any thought, did you Neil? 😉

  223. JAWS permalink
    May 17, 2012 10:00 pm

    Economics is all about human psychology.

    Although not recommended a series of interest rate rises can be a good thing in a recessed economy if they go up for 6 months say they will affect many of course.

    But if you then talk things up as a politician and the central bank suddenly drops them it can kick starts confidence and get those in jobs to start spending again.

    Otherwise you can just have a populace that “stares at a wall” rather than actually start to feel optimistic.

    Sounds weird………..but its all based on confidence about the future by getting people to “snap out of it”

  224. JAWS permalink
    May 17, 2012 10:06 pm

    Sorry Neil

    I dont buy the Government spending affects interest rates line unless the govt is sourcing $ from the domestic savings market . The Big 4 source from a variety of sources overseas plus domestically so it depends upon the mix at any point in time,

    However tax increases pushing prices up DO affect the inflation rate and that determines RBA rate rises.

  225. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2012 10:14 pm

    Does anybody know why our interest rates are so much higher than say the US or Britain?? They were similar before the GFC

  226. JAWS permalink
    May 17, 2012 10:55 pm

    Because we do not have a sufficient population (depositors) to actually fund all the required investment (borrowers).

    So amongst a global money market and with alot of competition we are going to continually be higher over the long term than most heavily developed nations.

    The 2 nations you mention are far more mature in their infrastructure and have much larger populations.e.g motorways, hospital, schools, housing already built many years ago

    I dont think they were similar before the GFC……….were they ?

    I’m not sure they really were.

  227. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2012 11:19 pm

    “I dont think they were similar before the GFC……….were they ?”

    As far as I know our interest rates were similar to the US before the GFC. I got my data from this link

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/

    Click on the interest rate for the country you are interested in and alter the chart so it goes back before the GFC.

    In 2007 US interest rates were at 5.2% but crashed to 0.25% after the GFC.

    Ours were at 6.2% in 2007 and fell to 3% after the GFC but still WAY above the US rates.

  228. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2012 11:35 pm

    Link for US interest rate

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/interest-rate

    Link for Australian interest rate

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/interest-rate

  229. JAWS permalink
    May 17, 2012 11:46 pm

    I’ll have a look a bit later if thats ok

    Just watching Sky and the Run on the Banks has started. Even in Spain.

    Angela Merkel will have to fund this (read Germany) and that is the End Game for her politically.

    She has only 2 choices.

    Let the EU die (and she probably wont survive politically)

    or fund it and she certainly dies (politically)

    She has the choice of writing a very very big cheque

    or none at all

  230. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 17, 2012 11:47 pm

    So employers have to employ excess labour on each shift just in case someone calls in sick

    Can’t have it all ways, if they won’t offer permanency and secure work, the workers can have unpaid sick leave whenever they like. Perhaps they are working their second job, the one that pays more and the employer treats them better.

    People like you just want to put so many constraints on employers they just wont bother hiring employees.

    Constraints? Working minimum wage and casual rates, yeah that’s an employer constraint for sure.

    A 40% casualisation of the Australian workforce hardly shows constraints being imposed by workers, the employer likes it like that. Employers here won’t be happy until we go the way of the f*ked up US.

    I know of young nurses, new graduates, who work full time hours for years and they are kept ‘casual’ as a budgeting measure. Others are permanent part-time but still don’t get permanency. This is an occupation that is supposedly in high demand and short supply. You’d think they would welcome them as full time workers wouldn’t you?

    Besides someone not classified as an Adult is on $10 per hour by the way?

    This is age discrimination. These workers should be paid equal rates for equal work, the bosses expect them to do the same work as the others. So many of our youth are used and abused by business for $10 bucks an hour. Who do you think supports them? It’s just cheap slave labour with the costs socialised to the community/family.

    Youth wages exploit all workers because the minimum wage is used to keep the wages of adults down. Those over 18yrs are denied work because the boss would rather pay a cheap youth wage. Where is all the supervision and extra work that bosses supposedly have to put into the youths to justify their cheaper wages? They don’t even do any on the job training anymore.

  231. Reb permalink
    May 18, 2012 7:00 am

    I’m in NZ at the moment.

  232. Reb permalink
    May 18, 2012 7:06 am

    They speak funny over here.

  233. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2012 8:32 am

    “They speak funny over here.”

    Try talking to the humans. The sheep stutter because they’re running scared.

  234. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 8:32 am

    Sounds as though you just woke up one morning and voila you found yourself in NZ.

    How did that happen ?

  235. Reb permalink
    May 18, 2012 8:38 am

    I’m visiting my folks.

  236. Reb permalink
    May 18, 2012 8:39 am

    I’ll never have that recipe again.

    Rest in peace Donna Summer…

  237. el gordo permalink
    May 18, 2012 8:40 am

    ‘They speak funny over here.’

    Something to do with the squeezed vowels.

  238. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2012 8:50 am

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/shorten-returns-fire-after-bhp-chiefs-attack-20120517-1ytoi.html

    It’s particularly unusual for business leaders to publically criticise governments. They usually use lobbyists and business groups.

    To have Jac Nassar having a crack at the government is an indication of their disconnection from business. Nassar’s criticism of industrial relations follows similar comments by Toyota.

    Shorten’s response shows that he still has his trainer wheels on. He can’t get past reacting like a union hack, and is still playing the union game.

  239. el gordo permalink
    May 18, 2012 8:55 am

    ‘DESPITE the devastating Christchurch earthquakes, New Zealand is undertaking a fiscal consolidation twice the size of Australia’s.’

    Fiscal consolidation rolls off the tongue.

  240. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2012 9:12 am

    And just as a matter of opinion, I doubt that the examples of unsavoury union behaviour in the HSU as particularly isolated-
    • Union members should have a look at the fee unions take out of industry training funds and the like, and how they are spent.
    • Whether the union directors of those funds keep their directors fees. Should they keep all the fees as some do, while others return this to the union?
    • The salaries paid to heads of unions whose members are primarily involved in the public sector. They’ll be paid similar rates to the HSU officials.
    • Have a look at the relationships between some of the construction unions and bikie gangs.

    That’s the problem Dave Oliver faces, he’s come from a frugal union, and he has good, traditional union ethics. But he’ll struggle to get a number of the ACTU affiliates to conform to his standards.

  241. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 9:23 am

    I wonder if a good old style military junta taking control of Greece would be such a bad thing. Where are the Generals of 1974 these days.

    They’d whip everybody into shape.

    They’d be able to throw the Socialists into jail, censor the Media, and ban protests.

    And basically tell the population to pull their collective fingers out, stop whingeing and get back to work.

    Sounds rather appealing compared to what is likely to happen when they finally get tossed out of the EU

  242. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2012 10:00 am

    The modern Greeks are missing their sense of pride and destiny. They need to re-take Thrace and move their capital to Constantinople. That’d fire up their economy.

  243. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 10:06 am

    Send in the Spartans…………….

  244. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 10:08 am

    “They need to re-take Thrace and move their capital to Constantinople. That’d fire up their economy.”

    I agree…………the Turks and the Greeks are “all tarred with the same brush” anyways.

  245. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2012 10:35 am

    Yes, they both have a touch of the tar about them.

    A Greek boy left home because he didn’t like the way his father reared him but he returned as he couldn’t bear to leave his brothers’ behind.

  246. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 10:46 am

    The Greeks claim that they actually invented sex

    The Italians concede that although that is probably true…… it is they that tried it with women

  247. el gordo permalink
    May 18, 2012 10:50 am

    Benson in the Daily Terror.

    ‘The talk among senior ranks of the Labor caucus is that Gillard may not see out the end of June as Prime Minister.

    ‘And that decision is likely to be made within the next two weeks.’

    ———————-

    I would just like to add that Smith is out and the Ruddster will be the new PM.

  248. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 10:57 am

    But…….but…………but……….that means we’ll have a psychopath back in the Lodge according to what his Labor colleagues said of him only a few months ago

  249. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 11:34 am

    Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

    I know I know the Greek shit has still to fully hit the fan and its far too early to start buying (no point in trying to catch a falling sword) but wow there are some incredible bargains emerging on the ASX if you are prepared to take a 5 year view on things.

  250. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2012 11:49 am

    So Jaws. I’m selling my house – settling in 6 weeks + 6months rent free before I move out. Do you think I should rent for longer and invest? Every time I’ve bought and sold my home I’ve managed to fuck it up one way or another!

  251. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 11:56 am

    Well you have not fucked it up this time if at least you’ve sold it.

    I think 6 months on the sidelines renting is a pretty good position to be in actually

  252. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2012 12:13 pm

    Splatter, I’m in the same position (or similar) and here’s what I’m finding.

    Property is holding up generally pretty well EXCEPT where sellers HAVE to sell, in which case they’re being belted and that’s dragging the whole market average down. So if you got what you wanted for your house. Good. If you want to buy another. Good. If you don’t HAVE to buy. Good. The property slump is not across the board.

    Our place is on the market, and we’ll just sit until we get what we want.

    2 bedroom apartment for sale in North Melbourne. Huge lounge and balcony if any newcomers to Melbourne are interested. (Hi Reb).

  253. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 12:19 pm

    Why are you moving…………….too many terrorists in North Melbourne as the Herald Sun announced the other day ?

  254. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 12:22 pm

    Sydney is a bit the same as Melbourne. Anything sub $1M is holding up OK in Sydney. If you are over that and out of the very inner city (over 5kms out like me) ya stuffed at the moment.

    Over 5kms out is still OK but not if you are after over $1M

  255. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2012 12:22 pm

    Yes and I’m NOT enduring a situation where headscarves become the new “shoes”.

    That and Li’l Sancty is outgrowing the place. He needs a backyard (or Mrs Sancty needs him to have a backyard).

  256. el gordo permalink
    May 18, 2012 12:33 pm

    Travel to Sydney, turn sharp left up the M4 and over the Great Divide, can’t lose.
    ————————

    Here’s that Benson article, nicely put together.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/simonbenson/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/something_afoot_in_the_quiet_before_the_storm

  257. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 12:42 pm

    Yes Egg, I’d imagine your backyard is quite spacious

  258. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2012 12:51 pm

    Booligal??

  259. el gordo permalink
    May 18, 2012 1:18 pm

    Booligal?? 🙂

  260. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2012 1:23 pm

    😯

    Bring on NBN!!!

  261. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2012 1:29 pm

    I got a bit lucky – a developer wanted it, so I should be able to pay off the mortgage and buy an equivalent house. Might be better to downsize (only got 5 kids at home now and they are late teens – mid 20s) and buy an investment unit or some shares.

  262. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 1:36 pm

    Try and buy something (apartment) you’d like to retire to and get the neg gearing in the meantime and when the time comes sell the hose tax free and move in.

    Shares have still got downside at the moment.

  263. JAWS permalink
    May 18, 2012 1:36 pm

    hose = house

  264. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2012 1:53 pm

    TKS Jaws.

  265. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2012 4:42 pm

    THE OLDER WOMAN

    I ended up with an older woman at a club last night. She looked OK for a 61 year-old. In fact, she wasn’t too bad at all, and I found myself thinking that she probably had a hot daughter.

    We drank a bit, and had a bit of a snuggle, and then she asked if I’d ever had a Sportsman’s Double.

    ‘What’s that?’ I asked.

    ‘It’s a mother and daughter threesome,’ she said.

    I said, ‘No,’ – excitedly.

    We drank a bit more, and then she says that tonight was ‘my lucky night’. I went back to her place.

    She put on the hall light and shouted upstairs: ‘Mum, you still awake?’

    😯

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2012 5:10 pm

    That’s Fifi.

  267. el gordo permalink
    May 18, 2012 8:10 pm

    😉

  268. May 20, 2012 6:03 pm

    GO you mfkn CROWS !!!

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