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“THE COMPREHENSIVE STATEMENT”

May 20, 2012

Craig Thomson is due to make a “comprehensive statement” expected to last some 30 minutes to the nation’s Parliament tomorrow.

It is a perilous turn of events for the Gillard Government.

the PM Julia Gillard has recently attempted to preach from the moral high ground after referring to the HSU scandal engulfing the party has “disgusting” despite previously backing the beleaguered MP with her unbridled support.

Her comments were made in her opening address to the ACTU congress, an event that union leaders correctly identified as the start of their fight for survival, knowing the extent to which the HSU case has become entrenched somewhat unfairly in the public mind as broader evidence that unions are both innately crook and demonstrably useless.

However it may all be too little too late.

The “comprehensive statement” and the PM’s response will be interesting.

 

 

 

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  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2012 6:12 pm

    I’ll be out for much of the day, so here are my tips for informed commentary-

    • Let’s talk about Kathy Jackson, and Michael Lawler. We’re not sure why, but we should anyway.
    • Look over there at Heffernan!
    • Remember that silly woman who got caught shoplifting?
    • Howard and Downer are a disgrace.
    • Abbott is a disgrace!
    • Remember Workchoices?

  2. May 21, 2012 6:30 am

    I think Phillip Coorey’s prediction is on the money…

    He will defend his legacy as an MP, criticise the time it took for Fair Work Australia to investigate him, maintain he is innocent, urge that he be allowed to keep representing his seat while the matter progresses, and ask only that he be judged by the courts, not a politically-charged House of Representatives.

    So long as he does not mislead the Parliament and find himself the subject of an inquiry by the privileges committee, Thomson is unlikely to worsen his plight.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/thomson-has-no-words-to-lance-boil-that-will-ache-until-election-day-20120520-1yyvk.html#ixzz1vRZzQ54W

  3. el gordo permalink
    May 21, 2012 8:04 am

    …. ‘more than a year after the Thomson scandal was exposed by this newspaper. Thomson re-contested and won Dobell in 2010, a victory that saved the Gillard government.

    ‘Labor owns Craig Thomson. In every way.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/judgment-day-here-for-labors-life-of-shame-20120520-1yys2.html#ixzz1vRvfMo2Y

  4. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 9:39 am

    So its all happening at Noon I believe (?)

  5. el gordo permalink
    May 21, 2012 11:02 am

    Workers will lay down their tools and scribes leave their desks to hear Craig’s comprehensive statement. It’s bigger than the Melbourne Cup.

    ‘Chief government whip Joel Fitzgibbon said he expects Mr Thomson to make a comprehensive statement.

    “(He’ll say) he’s been a good Labor member doing good work in his constituency and that he should be left alone to continue to carry out his responsibilities as a parliamentarian,” Mr Fitzgibbon told ABC Radio.’

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2012 11:16 am

    Tom of Melbourne PERMALINK
    May 20, 2012 6:12 pm

    I’ll be out for much of the day, so here are my tips for informed commentary-
    dotpoints galore

    How about, let’s not talk about it at all? You, in synchrony with Abbott’s jackbooted galoots have been the one keepin’ it alive for so long. A grand obsession it has become for some.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    My tip for informed commentary post thomson statement:

    EXTREME OUTRAGE!!!
    (go hard and go long, oh and don’t forget the dotpoints as to why thomson must be chucked out)

  7. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 11:20 am

    Yes…………Yes

    Lets talk about a few things that have never been resolved …………………

    How about that bastard Billy Hughes and his push for Conscription during WW1…………….?

    How outrageous was that ?

  8. May 21, 2012 11:50 am

    The “comprehensive statement” is coming up live on ABC News 24…

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2012 12:06 pm

    • Let’s talk about Kathy Jackson, and Michael Lawler. We’re not sure why, but we should anyway.

    We are sure why, it is about being a traitor to your own, about receiving personal payment and benefit to betray your own organisation and work with an enemy that is committed to your organisation’s extinction. The Brad Manning of the HSU (except he has more integrity, he didn’t do it for personal gain). It’s about the personal ethics, political bias, and non-declared conflicts of interest from people in regulatory bodies (lawler).

    BTW, at the same time the labor party was having it’s conference kathy was delivering a lecture to the H R Nicholls Society – how nice, how cosy!

  10. May 21, 2012 12:11 pm

    Craig is re-telling his life story….

  11. May 21, 2012 12:16 pm

    apparently it’s all Kathy Jackson’s fault…

  12. May 21, 2012 12:23 pm

    It’s all Kathy Jackson’s partner’s fault too…

  13. May 21, 2012 12:28 pm

    Craig says that the Union didn’t have policies, therefore there couldn’t have been a breach of any policies…

    Interesting defence….

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 12:30 pm

    Kathy Jackson is to blame? Was she at ‘Fun Times R Us Escorts’?

    What did Thomson say? Is it a media beat up?

  15. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 12:31 pm

    The Media got it wrong apparently

  16. May 21, 2012 12:40 pm

    Craig is maintaining that he was “set up.”

  17. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 12:42 pm

    So Craig was such an outstanding high achiever that way back in 2004 people started to go to extraordinary lengths over an inordinate amount of time and spent massive amounts of money following him and entrapping him to be in a position to later destroy him and he didn’t notice anything unusual and if he did he never reported it to Police.

    And just to make sure they completely destroyed him they didn’t just do it once but just to make absolutely certain they did on multiple occasions.

    He really must have ben a standout talent if they were that scared of him. They really went in for overkill

    Wow

  18. May 21, 2012 12:42 pm

    Ooooh, Craig’s getting worked up into a bit of a frenzy now……!

  19. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 12:45 pm

    I cant believe that we are persecuting Thommo like this.

    Clearly he’s innocent…………………….just ask him.

  20. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 12:46 pm

    The Oppn need to “bait” him to get him to say something he’ll regret.

  21. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 12:48 pm

    Geezus, Craig, for your own sake, resign……

  22. May 21, 2012 12:49 pm

    The really interesting thing will be Julia Gillard’s response to all of this…

  23. May 21, 2012 12:54 pm

    He’s crying!!!

    It’s so touching…!

  24. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 12:55 pm

    FWA needs to visit these brothels and get their videos from 8 years ago. I’m sure they’d keep it for that long as I’m sure the customers like being videoed entering and leaving.

    Good for business when you are a brothel. That ability to identify customers if they so choose. I’m sure the customers would be pleased to be so easily identified.

  25. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 12:56 pm

    The guy is a Pathological Liar.

    He’s just proved it

  26. May 21, 2012 12:59 pm

    Now he’s blaming the house “you’ve trashed democracy” he declares…

  27. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 1:03 pm

    So to those who watched…..

    Has anything changed?

  28. May 21, 2012 1:04 pm

    Nope James…

  29. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 1:06 pm

    Nothing has changed.

    We still have a total grub and pathological liar representing the people of Dobell

  30. el gordo permalink
    May 21, 2012 1:07 pm

    I couldn’t watch…don’t like seeing grown men cry over nothing.

  31. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 1:09 pm

    LOL

    Bob Katter fell alseep ?

  32. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 1:10 pm

    “I couldn’t watch…don’t like seeing grown men cry over nothing.”

    So true Eg

    “Nothing to see here………..move along”

  33. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 1:12 pm

    The statement was long……was it comprehensive?

  34. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 1:18 pm

    Interesting that Andrew Wilkie , who demanded the statement in the first place, got up and left during it.

    Trying to find a bucket no doubt.

  35. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 1:22 pm

    Everyone on Twitter accusing Emerson of running. What’s that about?

  36. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 1:56 pm

    It all boils down to stupidity really. And Thompson has proven how stupid he is and not fit to remain an MP.

    I mean what sort of idiot pays for hookers using anything other than cash ?

  37. el gordo permalink
    May 21, 2012 2:01 pm

    LOL Jaws

  38. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 2:07 pm

    I think there are union leaders absolutely shitting themselves at the moment. I think that this sort of thing was commonplace and Thommo’s the poor fcker that got caught. The reluctance of the Union movement and the ALP to vigorously pursue these matters says to me that they knew it was widespread. They just want and expect it to go away.

    Which is why, Kittylitter if you’re watching, some of us want to keep talking about it. If we do, it will become an almost forgotten “young and naive” experience.

  39. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 2:08 pm

    *If we stop talking about it that is.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 2:46 pm

    Here in Queensland no one seems interested. Was Craig persuasive? Because if he wasn’n we should be talking about that stupid senator who got caught shoplifting.

  41. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 2:50 pm

    I understand Joel Fitzgibbon found it all convincing.

  42. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 3:57 pm

    Hate Media Head Honcho Peter Meakin of Channel 7 Sydney has stated on Sydney Radio that it is the first time he has heard of the complaint in relation to Channel 7 Reporters hovering outside Thommo’s bathroom window.

    He has questioned the reporters who have been assigned to his house and both deny the incident. As soon as he heard Thomson make the allegation he rang Thommo’s electoral office and questioned a staffer who also knew nothing of it.

    Meakin has expressed surprise that a complaint was never made to Channel 7 or any media authority and is very surprised that Thommo did not make a police complaint of trespass.

    It is noted that Thommo despite so much suspicious activity and persecution never seems to want to get police involved in anything.

    Sydney Radio is currently experiencing a high rate of callers angry that Thommo after his speech seems to continue to think people in general are so f**king stupid they’ll believe him

  43. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 4:37 pm

    “They just want and expect it to go away.”

    The new head of the ACTU Dave Oliver assured delegates at the ACTU Conference that what happened in the HSU was an unfortunate and isolated occurrence.

    His assurance is good enough for me.

    Clearly there is no need to enquire further if he says so.

    Good……………..I’m glad we got that little Elephant in the Room sorted.

  44. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2012 5:13 pm

    Thomson regrets settling with Fairfax. I have some good news for him – that settlement covers only the particular statements alleged to be defamatory. Thomson is still free to go after Fairfax for subsequent defamations. And guess what? The day after the settlement the SMH said:

    Fairfax Media, publisher of the Herald, was defending the case on the basis the allegations were true. It alleged that Mr Thomson was unfit to be a federal MP. Fairfax stands by the allegations published in the articles, which appeared from April 2009.

    So Craig is in luck. He can sue on that and other more recent “defamations”. No need for regret after all!

  45. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 5:22 pm

    So in short Thommo’s defence amounts to asking the rest of us to believe a 2004 conspiracy, (perpetrated upon a hapless union hack with distant political ambitions) that is so massive that it makes JFK, Moonwalk, 9/11 and Area 51 Consiracy Theorists look believable.

  46. el gordo permalink
    May 21, 2012 6:08 pm

    ‘Thomson was unfit to be a federal MP.’

    Nothing has changed.

  47. May 21, 2012 6:45 pm

    But what would jesus do?

  48. May 21, 2012 6:54 pm

    Spot the wishful guesses…

    “I think there are union leaders absolutely shitting themselves at the moment. I think that this sort of thing was commonplace and Thommo’s the poor fcker that got caught. The reluctance of the Union movement and the ALP to vigorously pursue these matters says to me that they knew it was widespread. They just want and expect it to go away.”

    Ergo, all Unions are venal & immoral…is a ridiculous generalisation.

  49. May 21, 2012 6:59 pm

    Spot the non-members only too happy to quickly piss on the snowball as it rolls down the hill; gathering inuendo & supposition & massaging the self affirmations of the pre-programmed.

    This country, without Unions, would become the type of corporate playground that the US enjoys; to the detriment of the cheap cogs & bootscrapers.

  50. el gordo permalink
    May 21, 2012 7:02 pm

  51. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 7:20 pm

    Actually, Toilet, I am a big believer in the rights of workers to obtain representation and act collectively if they wish. Indeed I consider it vital. What I don’t believe in is those given that task (to represent) abusing it. And I don’t believe the Union Movement nor the ALP have been proactive in stamping out such abuse. So much so, that I consider such abuse must be commonplace.

  52. May 21, 2012 7:26 pm

    * ‘n’ escaped

  53. May 21, 2012 7:31 pm

    I agree with most of that last statement, snacty. But I would err on it not being as widespread as all that.
    There is tremendous political advantage for various interests if Unions can be curtailed or eradicated.

    I’m not attempting a defense of Thompson.

  54. cookie permalink
    May 21, 2012 8:35 pm

    Hey folks, does anyone know the link between Jackson’s other half and Abbott.

  55. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 9:46 pm

    Yes. He works in the wages jurisdiction area of FWA . He does not work in the regulations area. He was also appointed by Tony Abbott. Julia obviously was ok with that as well as perhaps you might recall she was Employment Minister.

    So what does Lawler have to do with visits to brothels, and admitted cash withdrawals from ATMs

    Or are you just trying to imply interference in the prep of the FWA report ?

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 9:51 pm

    Well hi there cookie.

    I think you’ll find the delusional wishful thinking conspiracy theorists believe that because Kathy Jackson has a relationship with a WA deputy president, this has somehow caused a tainted FWA investigation and report.

    Really, it’s quite pathetic, and only demonstrates the paucity of their understanding of the role and structure of FWA.

    But if you know anything of substance, perhaps post it!
    ————————–
    Meanwhile, I’m just catching up with the news. No one i Qld is at all interested from what I can tell. It’s so very boring here.

    Craig’s excuse seems to defy any logic, but the tears were a really good addition. I’m a little surprised that he didn’t table a photo of his youngest child.

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 9:54 pm

    ” But I would err on it not being as widespread as all that.”

    I think unethical behavior in unions is not particularly unusual.

  58. May 21, 2012 10:05 pm

    I think unethical behaviour in humans is not particularly unusual.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2012 10:22 pm

    Fair point, but unions should set a higher standard of ethics than the rest of us.

  60. Bacchus permalink
    May 21, 2012 10:42 pm

    😯

  61. JAWS permalink
    May 21, 2012 10:47 pm

    Did anyone else notice Thommo’s sipping of water so he could half gargle it whilst speaking to make it sound like he was overcome with tears.

    Excellent acting

  62. Bacchus permalink
    May 21, 2012 10:56 pm

    You really have lost it Jaws 🙄

  63. cookie permalink
    May 21, 2012 11:32 pm

    So this Jackson Lawler Abbott thing doesn’t fly according to TOM (and my wife). So what does Stuart Wood get out of helping Jackson? He must be a good bloke. Is the Peter Wicks article for real…My wife says it sounds like something Getup would write. I must be simple I just join the dots.

  64. cassiekey permalink
    May 21, 2012 11:38 pm

    squeak, squeak, hello everybody, I’m back from my self imposed exile.Mmmmm, interesting speech from Mr Thomson today, though his labor buddies didn’t seem to think so, as I noticed that most of them were far too busy to attend the chamber, they missed his explanation, I guess it was lunch time though.

  65. cookie permalink
    May 21, 2012 11:45 pm

    Hi there cassiekey, yeh what was that all about….the Labor no show?
    I guess like all good unionists they had their snouts in the trough.

  66. cassiekey permalink
    May 21, 2012 11:47 pm

    Maybe somebody should serve up some humble pie.

  67. Bacchus permalink
    May 22, 2012 12:41 am

    You have interesting trolls Reb. Not very bright, but interesting 😉

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 1:31 am

    “…There is tremendous political advantage for various interests if Unions can be curtailed or eradicated…”

    “…So this Jackson Lawler Abbott thing doesn’t fly according to TOM (and my wife). So what does Stuart Wood get out of helping Jackson?…

    And that’s the crux of it, the HR Nicholls mobsters trying to achieve what WorkChoices was meant to, kneecap the unions for an unencumbered corporate takeover of the country.

    So this Jackson Lawler Abbott thing doesn’t fly according to TOM (and my wife).

    TomM hates unions, so there is no surprise in his responses.
    I think that a clear conflict of interest should be declared and said person should not participate in any aspect of their work that has the conflict, in this case, that means anything to do with cathy jackson and her interests. It the very reason that that rule of ethics exists, because people will use their positions to gain advantage for their favoured ones.

    Really, it’s quite pathetic, and only demonstrates the paucity of their understanding of the role and structure of FWA.

    I understand conflict of interest and the appearance of justice being done.

    This is from FWA Service Charter:

    …Fairness

    FWA staff are committed to providing a service that is ethical, fair and free from discrimination…

    There’s those ethics again, not only must they be fair, they must appear to be fair by not having any avenue for complaint or suspicion.

    Fair point, but unions should set a higher standard of ethics than the rest of us.

    Why? Why do you continue to insist on a higher standard from unions than from everyone else? Ethics are ethics, there is no higher or lower standard of them, they apply equally to all.

    So what does Stuart Wood get out of helping Jackson?

    He is a passionate contributor to the HR Nicholls Society who want to see unions destroyed. He also does their lawyering.

    Stuart Wood
    …He is a leading industrial relations barrister and over the last decade his practice has involved acting for or advising almost all of Australia’s major businesses…

    …He has written extensively in the daily press, legal journals and at conferences of this Society…

    The Jackson and Lawler HSU tangle: Part Two

    Questions have been raised about Lawler’s relationship with Tony Abbott, and how this may have had an influence on any investigations taking place in FWA which involved Craig Thomson…

    …A source, who cannot be named, has today leaked to us an email trail that was saved as a PDF document, allegedly by Kathy Jackson, from what appears to be a computer within Fair Work Australia…

    …It is not totally clear why Jackson was allegedly distributing the emails, however the date is noteworthy. According to the document properties it was created on the 6th of May — the day before the findings of the FWA investigation were released. If this Jackson is Kathy Jackson, as our source alleges, it raises not questions about why Jackson, as the HSU secretary, would have access to the computers of Fair Work Australia — let alone on the day before it announced its findings on the investigation into her union…

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 1:54 am

    I think you’ll find the delusional wishful thinking conspiracy theorists believe that because Kathy Jackson has a relationship with a WA deputy president,

    There must be quite a few conspiracy theorists around:

    I Think I Smell A Rat

    …The mind boggles at how someone who reportedly is a personal friend of Tony Abbott’s is able to allegedly hack the emails of a Union official, make a complaint regarding a Union he should have nothing to do with, be the partner of the Union whistleblower, and be the Vice President of the organisation in charge of investigating the Union, and yet none of this is widely known. Talk about conflicts of interest…

    …Speaking of the Coalition, Kathy Jackson has acted strangely, for a union boss, in her choice of legal representation.

    In Melbourne Jackson has hired Stuart Wood, a former Vice President of the HR Nicholls Society. The HR Nicholls Society is a right-wing group, set up as a think tank for Industrial Relations reform, much of which was the architecture of the infamous “Workchoices” policy.

    It would seem to be valid to question why the Secretary of a Union would hire a solicitor that is anti union, and whose ideas you have spent your working life fighting against. A quick look at HR Nicholls Society’s website shows just how close the ties are with the Liberal Party. Peter Reith is a board member, other notable names on the list of who contribute to this society are, Tony Abbott, Eric Abetz, Peter Costello, Michael Kroger… the list goes on and on, even Andrew Bolt gets a mention.

    Jackson is even due to be guest of honour and give a speech at the HR Nicholls Society annual dinner on June 12th.

    In yet another strange coincidence, James Ashby is using Kathy Jackson’s Sydney lawyers, she has more than one, it does seem a bit odd, however I’m sure there is probably no “specific” reason for this…

    Tony Abbott and the Murdoch Press

    ….Cameron is not the only Conservative politician to appoint a former Murdoch employee to their staff. Here in Australia Oppositon leader Tony Abbot has appointed a former News Ltd operative.

    Let me quote a report in the Australian Financial Review on Friday 10 May. ‘Creina Chapman, the long term regulatory affairs brains of the company [News Ltd – JP] has been poached by Tony Abbott and will join his staff as a senior adviser.’…

    …Others have described her as a News Ltd corporate affairs manager…

    Nice one tones, only in australia could this happen, whilst in another country an inquiry is being held over criminal bribery and corruption between newsLtd, government, police and the civil service.

  70. el gordo permalink
    May 22, 2012 7:27 am

    ”I let it be known to his brother words to the effect that Mr Thomson was dishonourable and had misled us, and there was a bit of colourful language but it was quite an insignificant interaction, until now obviously,” Mr Bolano said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/its-absolute-fiction-say-union-officials-20120521-1z1fm.html#ixzz1vXenIkMB

  71. el gordo permalink
    May 22, 2012 7:33 am

    Shanahan in the Oz…

    ‘CRAIG Thomson’s statement to parliament has ensured the political distraction and damage for the Gillard government is going to continue – nothing has been resolved and there is no end in sight for Labor.

    ‘Thomson solved nothing as far as the allegations and findings of fraud and misuse of credit cards are concerned, and the politics is only getting worse for Labor.’

    —————

    Kitty plays look over there.

  72. el gordo permalink
    May 22, 2012 7:41 am

    ‘…apart from the nervousness about what he was doing, there was nothing contradictory,” body language expert Allan Pease said about the one-hour speech today.

    “He believed what he was saying. It’s doesn’t necessarily mean anybody else does, but he did.’

  73. May 22, 2012 7:44 am

    I thought the confected tears and pause for effect was a masterstroke by Craig.

    The problem though, is that it was all a bit predictable and staged…

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he had it written in his notes…

    “Pause for effect here”

    “Start the waterworks here”

    “Stumble and make it look like you can’t go on here”

    He even had the whole quivering bottom lip going, a tip no doubt picked up from watching videos of the grand master – the lying rodent.

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 8:45 am

    AO … and be the Vice President of the organisation in charge of investigating the Union”

    You see, I think this reflects the paucity of knowledge, or the deliberate confusing of the structure of FWA. Those that advance this type of nonsense don’t understand the difference between the public service side and the (political) arbitral division.

    There is simply no structural connection. There is no greater ability to influence than there is available to another public servant, a political advisor or a senior union official.

    Of far greater interest should be the earlier appointment of an ALP political advisor as General Manager of that FWA division, who had no experience in the function. He oversaw the snail pacedd investigation for a few years and was then appointed as a FWA Commissioner.

    That seems to have slipped the attention of the “look over there” brigade.

  75. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 8:52 am

    LOL

    Nice touch reb..

    An attack on Thomson’s B Grade acting ability nicely counter balanced with a spray at the Lying Rodent………nice touch

    Bacchus thinks Thomson was sincere. Well no…………………he is a very calculated liar who just cannot hide his acting skills.

    It was pretty damn obvious that when he got up to where his notes started with..

    “………..Rant about Channel 7 Reporters hanging outside Bathroom Window”

    ————————————–Pause———————————-

    IMPORTANT:Sip Water and hold in mouth then start talking again allowing water into back of throat to sound like drowning in tears
    ——————————————————————————–

    Only problem was he actually swallowed it so he had to take another sip so he could talk whilst swallowing it and sound ……………….Oh Sooooooooooooo Sincere.

    What a B Grade Acting Job….?

    Everybody in Sydney is laughing at that bit. Maybe we are just a tad more cynical than gullible Northeners.

  76. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 8:57 am

    And if his wife/partner chooses to believes that load of crap then so be it. She has had her chance to decide and has chosen poorly.

    No sympathy for her if she chooses to hitch herself to that pus-filled thieving grub then so be it.

    Although I do feel sorry for the kid who thanks to his father will now have to endure a life of finger pointing ridicule.

  77. Bacchus permalink
    May 22, 2012 9:00 am

    Deluded more likely 😉

  78. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 9:23 am

    Good to see Thommo has 2 people who support him.

    His wife and Bacchus..

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 9:45 am

    This is Thomson preparing his story for a criminal prosecution. He’s trying to string something together that might pass that test.

    Certainly he’s given up on the test he’ll face on the civil standard of evidence.
    =========
    I haven’t seen the Jackson/Lawler/HRN/FWA conspiracy advanced by anyone with a knowledge of the FWA structure, it’s just made up nonsense.

  80. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 9:53 am

    “This is Thomson preparing his story for a criminal prosecutionHe’s trying to string something together that might pass that test. ”

    LOL

    So the Australian Public is the largest Focus Group in History ?

  81. May 22, 2012 9:53 am

    ” He’s trying to string something together that might pass that test.”

    Perhaps. Although listening to his diatribe yesterday it just beggared belief really..

    It was all just a tale of fanciful conspiracies built on other conspiracies that were somehow connected to even more conspiracies…

    It’s extraordinary that he was able to deliver it with a straight face little lone (sic) keep track of how it was all meant to fit together…

    But yes, the emotional breakdown was a nice touch.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he had considered faking a heart attack, but that might have been testing the boundaries of credibility (like the rest of his story).

  82. May 22, 2012 9:54 am

    “So the Australian Public is the largest Focus Group in History”

    🙂

  83. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 9:57 am

    And no one in NSW has any idea where he got the idea that brothels had to keep video tape.

    Just another piece of bullshit to throw into the mix. He knows they cant be produced but that does not stop him.

  84. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:07 am

    I hope the people of Wyong appreciate the Craig Thomson Memorial Netball Courts.

  85. cassiekey permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:15 am

    I thought the hookers went to his room, just maybe the hotels would keep security videos for 6 or so years? I think Thommo has given me a great idea though, if ( not that I ever would) do any thing dodgy ! All I have to do is introduce dought, you know maybe ” it was rabbit who did it” or the CIA or something along those lines, then let these other dodgy people prove that they didn’t do it. By the way can any body explain why my name has changed for LittleMouse to Cassiekey? Is it because I am using a new computer??

  86. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:20 am

    It’s the CIA Cassie.

  87. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:21 am

    “By the way can any body explain why my name has changed for LittleMouse to Cassiekey?”

    Dunno LittleMouse……………………..it must be something to do with rodents as I noticed King Rat has disappeared too

    LOL

  88. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:34 am

    There was a CCTV security expert on Radio yesterday. He reckoned most joints (being pubs/clubs/nightclubs) only keep their hard drives for at most 12 months before they are re-used/written over. And they only do that so they can if necessary defend themselves in civil/criminal courts if a brawl breaks out etc. Also they keep them just in case the licencing police challenge them over something which might affect trading laws.

    Also he said most hotels have CCTV in their foyers , lifts and hallways. But they don’t keep footage for 6 years. It would cost them a fortune in hard drives.

    He was not aware of any brothels having security cameras. As mentioned in a column today it would kind of tear apart their business model as far as discreteness is concerned.

    Did anyone else notice Thommos speech lacked one overriding statement. For someone trying to be so forthright and innocent not once has he ever said.

    “I have never used a prostitute in my life”

  89. el gordo permalink
    May 22, 2012 11:58 am

    I did not have sex with those women.

  90. cassiekey permalink
    May 22, 2012 12:04 pm

    listening to Thommo yesterday reminded me of a song by think it was Shaggy(haha)’ and I think it was called It was,nt me. I just added my own lyrics, I still have the tune running through my head today.

  91. cassiekey permalink
    May 22, 2012 12:06 pm

    Now why am I a green thing??? I used to be a mouse, I still want to be a mouse, help me!

  92. el gordo permalink
    May 22, 2012 12:22 pm

    Latham talks to Murray on how the ALP operates, starting with the Hollingsworth affair….channeling the Bolter.

    ‘Well, you know, I was part of a team effort where we drove the Governor-General of the country from office and even better than that, the Labor Party drove John Kerr from the same office basically because he was pisspot and unfit for office and did the wrong thing in sacking the Whitlam Government, so you know, the Labor Party has a rich history, a proud history of driving mongrels from office and no one said, oh, no, John Kerr, presumption of innocence!’

  93. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 1:04 pm

    the mongrel pack has had a long chase and is hungry for the final kill.
    take a good look at yourselves, it ain’t pretty.

  94. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 1:29 pm

    “……………take a good look at yourselves, it ain’t pretty.”

    But ………….but…………..but………………Kitty

    If we changed our ways you’d find us boring and you’d visit less often

    🙂

  95. el gordo permalink
    May 22, 2012 1:59 pm

    ‘take a good look at yourselves’

    Craig needs psychotherapy and should take time out…for all our sakes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica

  96. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2012 2:16 pm

    “the mongrel pack has had a long chase and is hungry for the final kill.
    take a good look at yourselves, it ain’t pretty.”

    Or do you think the mongrel pack is Gillard and her factional overlords who think they can do anything they want with impunity? That they can lie and break promises and do shady deals with crooked scum and stab honorable men like Harry Evans in the back. That they can stab Rudd and support Thomson and elevate Slipper and expect to be taken seriously?

    Or maybe the mongrel pack is the cabal of union officials who think they can rape and pillage members’ funds for their luxurious lifestyles. And then get a nice safe Senate seat, or for the less successful ones, a sinecure in some cushy government authority. If you are especially qualified in this regard, like Williamson, you can be national president of the ALP.

    I might feel a certain vindication if, just this once, the Unionland corruptocrats don’t get away with it. Just this once. This time around they’ll regret pissing in our faces, but you should feel free to enjoy the golden shower if that is what tickles your fancy.

  97. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 3:09 pm

    LESSONS: Craig Thomson gives strong account of himself but those advising silence in the past were dead wrong

    …Indeed, in this case, we’ve had the person making the claims – Kathy Jackson – given a virtual immunity from public criticism or any real accountability about her involvement in what now appears to be a widespread fraud on the members of the HSU, perpetrated by herself and her associates.

    We’re contrarians here, so we don’t like the double standard and don’t like to cheer lynch-mobs along.

    Thomson’s account of events was calm, strong and – even to our cynical mind – highly persuasive.

    But the Parliament was never going to be the place where his guilt or innocence.

    Thomson made a damning critique of Fair Work Australia that warrants urgent review.

    Thomson reminded the Parliament of the serious claims of wrongdoing against Kathy Jackson and her cadre of con-artists that remain – to this day – inadequately investigated by Fair Work Australia.

    He disclosed that Kathy Jackson’s partner – former Opus Dei member Michael Lawler – is “on leave” from being Vice-President of Fair Work Australia. VEXNEWS has previously reported on his extensive involvement with Jackson’s internal union and political activities. He ought to stand aside, but apparently has no plans to do so. Jackson and Lawler have apparently loudly told people within the HSU that it’s “illegal” to criticise a Fair Work Australia member. That isn’t the case, their empty threats won’t spare them the justice they deserve. It is Michael Lawler who has – in our opinion – acted in manner we believe to be beneath contempt…

  98. el gordo permalink
    May 22, 2012 3:23 pm

    If Kitty can be wordy…from the wiki above.

    ‘The defining characteristics of pseudologia fantastica are:

    The stories told are not entirely improbable and often have some element of truth. They are not a manifestation of delusion or some broader type of psychosis: upon confrontation, the teller can admit them to be untrue, even if unwillingly.

    The fabricative tendency is long lasting; it is not provoked by the immediate situation or social pressure as much as it is an innate trait of the personality.

    A definitely internal, not an external, motive for the behavior can be discerned clinically: e.g. long lasting extortion or habitual spousal battery might cause a person to lie repeatedly, without the lying being a pathological symptom.[2]

    The stories told tend toward presenting the liar favorably. For example, the person might be presented as being fantastically brave, knowing or being related to many famous people.

    Pseudologia fantastica may also present as false memory syndrome, where the sufferer genuinely believes that fictitious events have taken place, regardless that these events are fantasies. The sufferer may believe that he or she has committed superhuman acts of altruism and love or has committed equally grandiose acts of diabolical evil, for which the sufferer must atone, or has already atoned for in her/his fantasies.

  99. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 3:45 pm

    “……….Thomson’s account of events was calm, strong and – even to our cynical mind – highly persuasive…………………” – Kitty’s Cut & Paste of Vexnews

    Is that from an upcoming episode of “The Chaser”………….?

    ROFLMAO !

    “Highly persuasive” unless you were to actually take the time to examine the FWA findings

    “Highly persuasive” unless you were to actually take the time to examine what he said in the past compared to what he has previously said.

    “Highly persuasive” if you are willing to abandon all logic

  100. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 3:47 pm

    “….Thomson made a damning critique of Fair Work Australia that warrants urgent review…”

    Where ?

  101. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 3:48 pm

    Correction

    “…..compared to what he has previously said.”

    Should read………..”compared to what he said yesterday

  102. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2012 3:51 pm

    “It is Michael Lawler who has – in our opinion – acted in manner we believe to be beneath contempt…

    What exactly is Lawler supposed to have done? Craig didn’t exactly say. He just gave us some innuendo and slime without making a specific accusation.

  103. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 3:53 pm

    There’s always lots of accusations and innuendo from Vexnews but seemingly never any shred of evidence .

    So what if Lawler was a former member of Opus Dei ?

    He might have ben a former altar boy too ……

    What’s that got to do with anything ?

    Former Liberal Leader Brendan Nelson was a member of the ALP until 1991.

    So f**king what ?

    Just bullshit upon bullshit from Vex

  104. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 3:56 pm

    Remember just after the 2010 election some people thought that such a slim majority government might actually bring about good government.

    Well sorry but………….ROFLMAO !

  105. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 3:58 pm

    “Craig didn’t exactly say”

    Exactly SB

    Neither does Vex.

    They just throw it out there to muddy the waters

  106. Bacchus permalink
    May 22, 2012 3:59 pm

    Methinks the wingnuts doth protest too much 😉

  107. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 4:04 pm

    Please draw upon your wisdom Mr Bacchus and sprout forth your to us, the uneducated, the exact reasoning as to why you are quite prepared to suspend your entire belief system based upon what that pus filled grub had to say yesterday.

    We are all ears

    🙂

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 4:09 pm

    The hero of the barrackers (Rob Oakeshott, the most unpopular man in Port Macquarie) has just dumped a bucket on Thomson.

    He said Thomson-
    • Has brought parliament into disrepute.
    • Is a “category killer”
    • Has ruined the reputation of MPs

    He’s angry with Thomson for-
    • Not providing the statement he committed to a year ago
    • Not cooperating with law enforcement/investigation
    • Putting his legal advice in front of his duties as an MP.

    Obviously Oakeshott is feeling a little local heat, the folk of Port hate this kind of dishonesty.

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 4:27 pm

    The credit Thomson is getting is for his advocacy skill, not the actual content of his rebuttal.

    He should be a decent advocate, he’s legally trained, is a former union official and won preselection. Being a skilled advocate has about nothing to do with content, or honesty for that matter.

  110. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 4:30 pm

    “The hero of the barrackers (Rob Oakeshott, the most unpopular man in Port Macquarie) has just dumped a bucket on Thomson.”

    And with that spray out of the way……………..Parliament will go the full term with Oakeshott’s support

  111. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 4:42 pm

    The barrackers seem to be a bit confused.

    It was Craig Thomson who promised to give a “comprehensive statement”

    They seem to think it was supposed to be Kathy Jackson giving the “comprehensive statement”

    In which case they presumably wont have a problem if she is given the sometimes granted right of reply by the Parliament

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 4:47 pm

    As I’ve said, I’m entirely happy for anyone to state something about Kathy Jackson.

    It all just seems to be-
    • She’s not conforming with the typical union model of sweeping all this under the carpet
    • She’ was using the wrong lawyers (the labour lawyers were all conflicted)
    • She’s shacked up with Michael Lawler, and he was appointed by Tony Abbott.

    Not exactly spellbinding stuff.

  113. el gordo permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:22 pm

    ‘UNION boss Paul Howes says controversial former Labor leader Mark Latham should be welcomed back to the Labor Party to encourage internal debate.’

    Sounds reasonable…Howes is planning a coup.

  114. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:31 pm

    Some breathing space for the ALP

    Looks like a new headline tomorrow

    “Schapelle is coming home”

  115. cassiekey permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:33 pm

    why not make him PM. I imagine that he could kick a few heads and pull everyone into order. looks like I have to remain this greenblob, farewell little mouse, can no one tell me how I went from being a mouse called LittleMouse to a mouse called Cassiekey, to a greenblob called Cassiekey?

  116. Bacchus permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:37 pm

    You probably used a different email address casiekey. When you’re writing a post, there are 3 boxes underneath the text input area.

  117. Bacchus the GREAT permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:38 pm

    The top one is for your email address, the 2nd one is for the name you sish to have displayed, and the 3rd one is if you wiah your name to be linked to a website you have.

  118. Bacchus permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:39 pm

    Notice how my piccy changed in the above two posts? That’s because i used a different email address for each. Same with the name field…

  119. cassiekey permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:42 pm

    thanks Bacchus, but I only have one email address, will just have to live with the blob I suppose, could it be a different computer with same email address?

  120. Bacchus permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:43 pm

    why you are quite prepared to suspend your entire belief system based upon what that pus filled grub had to say yesterday.

    No-one said I am 😉 However, I’m not rabidly frothing at the mouth, hoping upon hope that the Lieberals dirty tricks campaign will be successful. That’s a very dangerous path to go down. He should be tried in the judicial system, not in the parliament, based purely on party political positions. 🙄

  121. el gordo permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:44 pm

    Is the choice of avatar a random event?

    Baccy and me have pointed heads, is this a coincidence?

  122. Bacchus permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:46 pm

    lol el gordo 🙂

  123. cassiekey permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:47 pm

    At least your not fat!

  124. Bacchus permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:49 pm

    Mine is the same no matter which 4 different computers I use here… Perhaps a slight difference in the way you’ve typed the email address – a space at the end or mistyped?

  125. cassiekey permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:52 pm

    OOOOOOOppppppps,very silly me, I put .com instead of .net

  126. cassiekey permalink
    May 22, 2012 5:57 pm

    Anyway will stick with mousey and Cassiekey, sorry bout all that guys

  127. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 6:20 pm

    Has anyone ever seen so many unicorns about the place?

    There are certain professions from which you get the arse if you conduct yourself inappropriately in life. Parliament is, or purports to be, one of them.

    Presumption of innocence is a construct applicable to the criminal court. No one is saying Thomson should be thrown in the clink without a trial. Many of us would like to see a trial but that’s a separate issue.

    The following professions require tougher standards of moral conduct than Parliament it would appear.

    Lawyers, Financial Advisors, Real Estate Agents, Accountants, Doctors, Clergy (yes, really), Bookkeepers, Builders, Airline Hostesses (unfortunately), armed forces, police, teachers, professional sportsmen, amateur sportsmen, reality television contestants, radio announcers, the list goes on.

    But apparently not parliamentarians if it would tip the numbers adversely. Then there is due this presumption of innocence. I presume every union leader is innocent, ok? I presume every director of every indusrty superannuation fund is innocent too. But I want the lot of them investigated.

    And I want Thomson to get the hell out of Parliament.

  128. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2012 6:23 pm

    hoping upon hope that the Lieberals dirty tricks campaign will be successful.

    What dirty tricks campaign?? Are you saying this is all a setup by the Coalition??

    What I find strange is that Thomsom even stated that his phone may have been cloned (whatever that is). Apparently the HSU union officials have capabilities that only ASIO and the CIA have. Are Union officials really that good at electronic manipulation of mobile phones??

  129. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2012 6:29 pm

    Jaws, Vex is not all bad. And sometimes it is absolutely spot on.

  130. May 22, 2012 6:44 pm

    It’s very hard to find truly unbiased sources.

    A good experiment, upon finding something which may, at first glance seem unpalatable, is to ask yourself the question….”Do I dislike this because it challenges my own proclivities…& if so, why?”

    Confirmation bias is a prolific trap which sux arse.

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 7:55 pm

    In my (unbiased) opinion, Craig is full of shit possesses a remarkable ability to maintain a demeanor of plausibility while providing an entirely implausible explanation.

  132. May 22, 2012 8:08 pm

    I don’t believe Craig either. The balance of probability & human frailty is against his elaborate, aromatic concoction heartfelt diversionary masquerading.

    I won’t view it as typical behaviour though, of Unions or men in general. For every opportunist, there are at least two humans with a conscience.

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 8:11 pm

    …and given that Gillard has previously expressed ‘complete confidence’ in Thomson, it’s time for her to come clean.

    What line did he cross? Has she denied him the presumption of innocence? Why is he no longer fit to be part of the caucus?

    Oakeshott should broaden the terms of his censure motion.

  134. May 22, 2012 8:13 pm

    I’m in tears.

  135. May 22, 2012 8:17 pm

    I don’t like Gillard either…but I hate the ABBOTTABBOTTABBOTT!!! much more; and I’m no orphan.

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 8:22 pm

    As I’ve said, I’m entirely happy for anyone to state something about Kathy Jackson.
    It all just seems to be-
    • She’s not conforming with the typical union model of sweeping all this under the carpet

    It’s where she went to get the vacuum cleaner that is the problem.

    • She’ was using the wrong lawyers (the labour lawyers were all conflicted)

    I don’t think she tried very hard. There were some very expensive briefs who could clear their calendar for her and volunteer their services for free. Nice, but no, they have no ulterior motives, they believe in her ‘destroy to fix’ approach.

    Everyone knows it’s best to use the lawyers who are the mortal enemies of unions, the ones who devote their lives to making unions extinct. Yep, that’s just what people who are committed to the cause of workers would do, sleep with the enemy.

    • She’s shacked up with Michael Lawler, and he was appointed by Tony Abbott.

    Lawler, like Abbott, doesn’t seem to understand quaint principles of ethical practise, things like conflict of interest, interference, collusion, prejudice and bias. Doesn’t know right from wrong, only knows good and bad according to their god. The holy warriors have a mission.

    Any normal person would recognise that Lawler has an enormous conflict of interest and should never have been allowed anywhere near the case.

    Not exactly spellbinding stuff.

    HOOKERS!!!

    PROSTITUTES!!!

    There, will that do? Much more exciting, really gets the hypocrites all cranked up with nowhere to vent.

    …They seem to think it was supposed to be Kathy Jackson giving the “comprehensive statement”…

    If it’s anything like her effort on ABC yesterday, she’s got a long way to go before she starts telling the truth.

    …There are certain professions from which you get the arse if you conduct yourself inappropriately in life. Parliament is, or purports to be, one of them…

    That all changed with “it’s not a hanging offense” howard’s government hypocrites, they couldn’t meet the criteria so the bar got lowered to ‘anything goes’ and no MP could ever be sacked again.

    A good experiment, upon finding something which may, at first glance seem unpalatable, is to ask yourself the question….”Do I dislike this because it challenges my own proclivities…& if so, why?”

    because…HOOKERS!!!

    and…PROSTITUTES!!!

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 8:25 pm

    In my experience many union officials believe they have a higher duty than simply complying with the law. Some treat industrial law much the same way some companies treat tax law – you’d be a mug if you complied with it.

    But there is a lot less regulation of unions. Reasonable policing of them is being cut.

    The regular behaviour of officials would not be tolerated in a sporting club, or a neighbourhood, or (the vast majority of) business competitors.

    (note- this commentary mainly applies to construction and manufacturing unions)

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 8:25 pm

    I don’t like Gillard either…but I hate the ABBOTTABBOTTABBOTT!!! much more; and I’m no orphan.

    I hate the ABBOTTABBOTTABBOTT too.

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 8:31 pm

    No one has made a specific case for Lawler to answer, but these days no one denies that Thomson has one.

    I’m quite perplexed about the misdemeanor that is alleged against Lawler.

  140. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 8:57 pm

    I’m quite perplexed about the misdemeanor that is alleged against Lawler.

    No personal values to guide you? We can only hope that you are never in a position where you need to apply some professional ethics then.

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 9:17 pm

    Well AO, I can see that Thomson has ‘a case to answer’.

    But the allegations against Lawler appear to be that he’s influenced the FWA investigation due to his relationship with Jackson.

    There is no evidence to support this (as far as I can see). FWA President is now the very highly regarded (former ACTU official) Iain Ross. Prior to Ross was Geoff Guiduce, equally regarded. Those making the veiled allegations seem to ignore the fact that the tribanal/arbitration function of FWA has no more influence over the administrative function than any public servant, political advisor, union advocate…

    The other allegation is that Lawler had a crack at a HSU official for not protecting Jackson. By now I’d imagine most union officials would have preferred it if the HSU had been a little more responsive to the concerns she raised.

  142. cookie permalink
    May 22, 2012 9:53 pm

    Again TOM I fear you are correct. Although I’d really like to know how Jackson and Lawler hooked up….Who wears the pants…What they talk about. They say oposites attract. If Lawler and Abbott do socialise it must be a bit awkward dragging Jackson along.

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:13 pm

    There is no evidence to support this (as far as I can see).

    Have you been interested to look? Eyes wide shut?

    There is evidence and wixxy has been talking about it, I think it has even been given to the MSM who have not been interested in running with it. Apparently there is still a lot more to come. This one person is credited with ‘breaking’ the story of the connections between lawler/abbott/jackson. Seriously, the media in this country is a joke.

    People who believe their bleatings without question need their heads read.

    http://wixxy.wordpress.com/

    Some of you may have seen my posts last week on the serious questions that remain unanswered relating to the HSU saga, if not, here are links to part one, and part two. It is fair to say that I have received all types of correspondence, as has Independent Australia, since publishing these posts. However, it is interesting to note, not one person has disputed any of the findings.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/under-investigation.html

    …So, at the time Thomson gave his interview, he was right in making that statement.

    Time for Thomson to ring his lawyers back and pump some more money out of Fairfax…

    …After more than fifty failures to suspend standing orders, at what point does that gesture lose its symbolism? At what point do you blame the media for not actively looking into this “saga” and just waiting for various interested parties to drop things into their laps?…

    …There is more to this story, and of course the fact that Peter Wicks is ahead of people who fancy themselves as professional journalists is cause for the entire profession to rethink the way it works. Wicks has broken the story, give him the Gold Walkley or have it rendered as a sub-Logies joke…

    …Will there be any follow-up on Heffernan, will Abbott refuse to accept his tainted vote, can a broadsheet newspaper focus on more than one issue …

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:24 pm

    But the allegations against Lawler appear to be that he’s influenced the FWA investigation due to his relationship with Jackson.

    Influencing the investigation, threatening people who are trying to give the other side of the story. That is not what a fairminded investigator should be doing, he should be gathering facts, not actively seeking to pervert the course of the investigation.

    And doesn’t it mean that Lawler has “a case to answer”?

    Why do you always seek to minimise Lawler’s bias and prejudice, conflicts of interest and collusions yet maximise the case that Thomson needs to answer?

    You really are incapable of being unbiased, balanced and objective when it comes to unions tomM, are you sure you are not an astroturfing Liberal Party apparatchik?

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:32 pm

    Yeah, I saw the bullshit partisan comparison with Lindy Chamberlain.

    Lindy Chamberlain was convicted and went to prison.

    The fact is, no one here is suggesting that Thomson should be put in prison. I’m simply applying the same test of reasonableness that applies to other questions regarding honesty and trust in employment.

    I’m suggesting people are entitled to say ‘we no longer want this person in his current employment as a leader of the community”

    In matters of trust and honesty in employment there isn’t “innocent until proven guilty”, it’s “who do we believe?” or “what reasonable conclusions can be drawn from the various statements?”

    This wixxy is incredibly confused about the difference between the criminal standard and the standard applied to employment. But that’s the line approved by the ALP, so it’s no wonder he’s following it. to employment. People are actually discussing Thomson’s employment and his suitability for it.

  146. Bacchus permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:33 pm

    lol KL – you’ve noticed too 🙂

  147. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:38 pm

    Getting back to the very basics

    If Thomson is entitled to the presumption of innocence according to Julia then why did she basically throw him out of caucus/ALP ?

    Who amongst the ALP threw the first stone ?

    LOL

  148. cassiekey permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:44 pm

    what is Wilkies problem, earlier he was going to second a censure , 10minutes later he’s changed his mind.

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:45 pm

    If anyone was suggesting that Thomson should be convicted, it would be an entirely different debate.

    I’m not seeking to convict him, I’m simply suggesting that he’s demonstrated his lack of suitability for his current job., on the basis of a lack of honesty and transparency. He should go and find another one.

    That’s a legitimate debate to have, and it doesn’t have any parallel with the conviction Lindy Chamberlain, no matter how much people like wixxy might wish it was so.
    ——————
    By the way, has anyone asked Thomson why he said Jackson was to blame for spending the cash on the prostitutes last year (he said he’s paid back $15K). But now he’s changed his story to blame some other hack.

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:50 pm

    This wixxy is incredibly confused about the difference between the criminal standard and the standard applied to employment.

    This Lawler is incredibly confused about conflict of interest, and so it would appear, are you.

    Oh FFS, do you really think a biased, conflicted investigator who has been throwing his weight around, threatening others who are placing evidence before him about his partner, is really cognizant of ANY differences.

    Not that i think you have a legitimate argument there anyway, it’s more like trying to find something, anything to defend this unethical and prejudicial behaviour.

    Craig Thomson under the rain

    …The credit card vouchers for the transactions were issued in Mr Thomson’s name, were signed and noted a driver’s licence number. According to subpoenaed RTA records, a licence with that number was issued to Mr Craig Robert Thomson of Bateau Bay. NSW drivers’ photo licences can be used to verify a person’s identification.’

    Evidence reportedly tendered by Fairfax in defamation proceedings brought against them by Craig Thomson.
    As you can see by the image above, the surname on the credit card imprint purportedly made by Craig Thomson clearly says “Thompson”.

    It is clearly a manual credit card imprint from one of those old fashioned credit card machines, which results in a receipt showing a carbon copy of the face of the credit card. In other words, the credit card alleged to have been used by Craig Thomson had his name spelt wrong…

  151. JAWS permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:52 pm

    Blaming Lawler ,for whatever he was supposed to have done ,
    in the fantasies of the Thomson supporters is currently looking
    akin to a Nazi war crim at Nuhrenburg blaming the makers of zyklon b .

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 10:57 pm

    The fact is, no one here is suggesting that Thomson should be put in prison. I’m simply applying the same test of reasonableness that applies to other questions regarding honesty and trust in employment.

    And I am applying that same test to Lawler’s employment.

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 11:03 pm

    If Thomson is entitled to the presumption of innocence according to Julia then why did she basically throw him out of caucus/ALP ?

    Why has Lawler and the gone on “long leave”

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/craig-thomson-under-the-rain/

    …As I mentioned in a previous post, Michael Lawler suddenly gone on what FWA are calling “Long Leave”. This happened last Friday in such a hurry that even his PA was unaware of it when I spoke to her. Why has Lawler suddenly vacated the scene without his partner if there are no suggestions of a conflict of interest.

    CHRIS UHLMANN: Has Michael Lawler ever been involved with you in any of the strategy meetings with the HSU about any of the actions that you have got going?

    KATHY JACKSON: Well, obviously, as my partner I talk to Michael about what I’m doing and as my partner I talk to him about not just HSU issues but other issues as well.

    Now, this shows the colossal conflict of interest. The police operation set up to investigate the HSU, Strikeforce Carnarvon was set up after Michael Lawler made the original police complaints about union corruption. The prospect of the Vice President of an investigative body being the partner of and discussing the case with his partner, who is head of the body under investigation, is an atrocious look for any investigation. Indeed, there are excellent grounds for this situation to be investigated by the Independent Commission Against Corruption. It is somewhat akin to Ivan Milat going out to dinner and spending the night with the judge at his trial.

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2012 11:12 pm

    the Vice President of an investigative body”

    Rubbish. Lawler has no role or responsibility in investigation, no role in administration. A Vice President has less involvement in that part of FWA than the routine public service.

    You’d be better off looking for the motivation for the previous General Manager of the division, an ALP political advisor, who was then appointed as a Commissioner.

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2012 11:54 pm

    Try to distract and divert as much as you like tomM, but there is more than ‘a case to be answered” here, it is official collusion and corruption. Lawler has not been on the sidelines looking out the window, he’s been making threats and bullying people who have been trying to give evidence that he doesn’t want heard.

    A very active and aggressive defence of his partner, it is more than a colossal conflict of interest, it is a stand over on a par with mobsters.

  156. Meta permalink
    May 23, 2012 12:59 am

    (Is Brandis still making up ‘standards’, and attributing the Constitution(al) line to Labor? If so, and he really wants some trust and transparency, maybe beginning to wonder why that particular line was drawn once upon a time would be a good employment. Surely it wouldn’t be because partisan hacks like making political mileage at opponents’ expenses, with no particular accountability on the other side of the ledger when they’re rewriting history and laws without any relevant powers? Don’t we all yearn for reasonable bosses whose trustworthy and transparent contributions to conjoined efforts consist of making stuff up to their own advantage as the standard-bearer’s standard?

    For example, check out Brandis’s contributions to public discourse over past weeks; studiously avoiding the Constitution altogether, whether it’s in pursuit of making his case for drumming out a sitting Member or pretending that the criminal standard is irrelevant to his prosecutions via the media or turning Parliament into a Court of Brandis Chamber, when he was once such a Constitutional expert in quilling himself a little exculpatory note about ‘pairings’ and avoidance of social contracts (un)made . And it’s not as if Brandis is unaware; he was going on and on about Craig’s alleged criminality, trundling off to sundry constabularies, why? And now, some new ‘standards’; betterer ‘standards’; reasonable ‘standards’; ‘standards’ we can all enjoy”: ‘standards’ will always be lower under….)

  157. el gordo permalink
    May 23, 2012 7:04 am

    Kitty may have a point about the driving license. Why haven’t I been told about this before?

  158. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2012 8:12 am

    If Craig’s “explanation” to parliament is to be believed, why, then, did he consistently refuse to cooperate with investigators from Fair Work Australia, the New south Wales Police, and Victoria Police? Surely someone convinced they were victim of such a dastardly conspiracy would be protesting their innocence long and loud to anyone who would listen, including to investigators who had the ability to clear their name. A more timely “comprehensive statement” might have helped, too.

  159. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 8:35 am

    “Jaws, Vex is not all bad. And sometimes it is absolutely spot on.”

    LOL

    You had me worried there for a moment Splatter……..!

    That’s very amusing

  160. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2012 9:01 am

    In other words, the credit card alleged to have been used by Craig Thomson had his name spelt wrong…

    Yes it looks like his name is spelt differently on the credit card and drivers license. Only problem with the point the person is trying to make is that no-one has denied that it was not Thomsons Union credit card. Not even Thomson. Just that it was not him who used it.

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2012 9:07 am

    The AFR yesterday said the allegations Thomson made against Lawler were so serious that the government should investigate them immediately, and either clear him or act. That seems reasonable.

    Mind you, the notion of him having such influence over an entirely separate part of FWA that hie is able to get them to co-operate in a conspiracy to come up with almost 200 false findings against Thomson is bizarre, when-
    • The current President is a former ACTU official
    • The former President is a highly regarded SC
    • The General Manager who was in charge of the investigating division is a former ALP political advisor.

    The conspiracy theorists will have to come up with a better one.

  162. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 9:07 am

    A mis-spelling on a corporate credit card is not unusual. The card is issued to the corporate not the individual. Just google mis-spelt name on credit card if you dont believe me

    The primary liability for the charges on the card rests with the corporate (the HSU) with the secondary liability resting with the person whose name appears on the card.

    Just because your name is mis-spelt does not free you of ultimate liability if the corporate (the HSU) fails to honour the credit card charges.

  163. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 9:20 am

    Besides the fact remains that Thomson (despite having put rigorous financial controls in place at the HSU……….. LOL) on repeated occasions has not queried the charges on his card.

    He’s just authorized them month after month to be paid

  164. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 9:29 am

    Thomson will say and do anything..

    From the Australian today….

    ONE of three people named in parliament by Craig Thomson as still writing him “regular letters of support” has denied contacting the MP for 25 years, or supporting him in any way.

    Ella Skinner, a former employee of the University of New England, where she encountered Mr Thomson through his work as a young Health Services Union official, said she was shocked and angered that he had named her in his address to parliament on Monday.
    Mrs Skinner, 72, said that she had not had “any form of contact or communication” with the former Labor MP for more than 25 years, “nor offered support to Craig Thomson in any way”.

    “I’m staggered, shocked and angered that Craig Thomson has stated in parliament, under parliamentary privilege, to the contrary,” she said.

    Mrs Skinner, who held a senior role at the university before retiring, was initially a member of the Health & Research Employees Association of Australia, which was superseded by the HSU in 1991.

    Mr Thomson used his early years with the HSU as a key plank in his parliamentary rejection of allegations that he misused union funds to pay for prostitutes and fund his own election campaign.

    “I am going to . . . talk about, firstly, the young industrial officer who joined the Health Services Union and worked there for 19 years,” he told parliament. “I used to look after university workers.

    Can I say that I still get regular letters of support from people like Richard Black at the University of Sydney, Ella Skinner at the University of New England and Ted Davies at Macquarie University.”

    Mrs Skinner’s son, Steve, said his mother was deeply worried that her neighbours in Armidale would now believe she supported Mr Thomson. “My mother’s not well,” he said. “She hasn’t spoken to him (Mr Thomson) since her days with the union many years ago. Whatever he said in parliament, it’s not true. She’s now very distressed. What she’s now worried about is what people here are going to think of her.”

    The other two university employees named by Mr Thomson during his address – Mr Davies, an audio-visual technician at Macquarie University, and Mr Black, a former Sydney University librarian and president of the local branch of the HREA – did not return calls yesterday.

    A letter Mr Black sent to The Sydney Morning Herald last year suggested he still held Mr Thomson in high regard.

  165. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 9:53 am

    Despite people with no current links to the HSU who are innocent of dealings with Thomson for many years denying things he has said, despite the Federal Police now denying they were shown the emails he claims to have beeen sent to him, despite Julia casting him onto the crossbenches, despite $500,000 in ATM withdrawals, despite his claims of phone cloning which experts say only the most sophisticated of spies could achieve back in 2004, despite his signature appearing on brothel receipts, despite a copy of his drivers licence being kept by the brothel, despite him authorising payment of his credit card, despite a 4 year investigation by FWA, despite claiming his phone was stolen…………….etc………….etc…………etc……………

    Bacchus and Kitty still maintain it’s a conspiracy.

  166. el gordo permalink
    May 23, 2012 10:25 am

    Baccy and Kitty are barrackers and need to be debriefed.

  167. el gordo permalink
    May 23, 2012 11:23 am

    What is needed… a psychotherapist to get a splash in hate media on Craig’s state of mind.

  168. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2012 11:30 am

    But Lawler was once a member of Opus Dei!!! He HAS to be responsible for all this. Haven’t you seen the movie?

  169. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 11:38 am

    LOL

    You mean Tom Hanks is involved in all this as well………..?

    I thought it was so far restricted to Sean Connery,………………….oh hang on…………………who played 007 back in 2004 ?

  170. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 11:40 am

    At least you can spell Opus Dei correctly.

    I’ve seen others accuse him of being a member of Opus Day.

    Which to me sounds like a once a year mobile phone discount.

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2012 12:03 pm

    Bacchus and Kitty still maintain it’s a conspiracy.

    The whole thing has been a conspiracy and all roads lead to tony abbott.

    Now, that does not exonerate thomson from facing whatever he is due for his wrongdoing. bacchus and myself have consistently supported waiting for the whole saga to play out.

    And it is interesting that jackson is not the sainted one that you have attempted to portray her as all along, but choose not to bring any of that up because it doesn’t suit your mindset – you will accept ANY and ALL wrongdoing on the part of the opposing team if the outcome means an immediate election. In other words the good ole’ conservative motto of “the ends justify the means”. I say that all parties have to act with honesty and there is a higher standard to be applied to those who bring the allegations to ensure that the methods used to obtain the convictions are honest, ethical, transparent and beyond reproach in themselves. Otherwise, in my mind, the people making the allegations are just as dirty as the ones they are accusing – “two wrongs don’t make a right”

    It is also interesting that tomM says he should not go to jail, why not? Why is jail only for drug addicts, people who don’t pay motor vehicle fines and thieves? Corporate crime doesn’t rate with you elitists and libertarians does it?

    Of course there’s a conspiracy between the Libs in this and the Slipper/Ashby thing, it is the only reason the issues are before the public.

    There is an enormous conspiracy between Lawler, Abbott and Jackson, they conspire to bring down a government.

    Another thing my mind keeps going back to is jackson’s last appearance with friendly journo chris uhlmann, she was lying her head off and trying to make out her motivations were not self serving and then said:

    CHRIS UHLMANN: Is there a conflict of interest here because your partner Michael Lawler is the vice President of Fair Work Australia?

    KATHY JACKSON: No, not at all and I reject that claim totally. And Craig Thomson’s allegations are totally wicked against him. Michael Lawler is the Vice-President of Fair Work Australia, formerly the Australian Industrial Relations Commission.

    Wicked? That is a strange word to use. I suggest there is a big catholic connection here, between the abbott, the ex opus dei lawler and the saint kathy. Why is there so much religious interference in the background of our politics?

    You seem to have completely ignored the bits you don’t like to acknowledge – it goes against the confirmation bias:

    http://wixxy.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/comin-under-fire/

    …A source, who can not be named, has today leaked to us an email trail that was saved as a PDF document, allegedly by Kathy Jackson, from a computer within Fair Work Australia. The document has Jacksons name in the documents properties, and in the same properties it also tells us that the license for the software comes from Fair Work Australia. This all seems very odd indeed.

    Kathy Jackson has been touring the country telling anybody who will listen that Craig’s conspiracy theories regarding fiddling credit cards, setting up people with prostitutes, and elaborate private expenses on a union credit card are all nonsense, absolutely unheard of ridiculous stories…

    Some of you may have followed my link yesterday to a remarkably similar story from a few years back, if you didn’t, here it is again. It also involves prostitutes, credit cards, and the man being set up was from the HSU.

    Here is an small exert:

    “The statement of a Bendigo Gold Visa card allegedly issued to Jackson shows expenditure on services that fall far outside his normal duties. It includes a string of prostitutes, designer clothes, dental work, gourmet food and drinks at a favourite Melbourne hotel. Jackson challenges the authenticity of this credit card account and dismisses allegations he has misused any funds as part of a “dirty tricks campaign” mounted by opponents within his union…”

    I understand that Kathy Jackson may have not remembered this case, as it was a while ago. Except for one minor detail that I didn’t mention in my last article…. This person happens to be her ex husband. I would have thought she’d remember that…. just maybe…

  172. May 23, 2012 12:29 pm


    “The whole thing has been a conspiracy and all roads lead to tony abbott. ”

    Oh come on, do you honestly believe that Tony Abbott could dream up such a conviluted fantasy of a conspiracy that Craig Thomson would have us all believe has been foisted upon him…..?

  173. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 12:42 pm

    “…A source, who can not be named, has today leaked to us an email trail that was saved as a PDF document, allegedly by Kathy Jackson, from a computer within Fair Work Australia………”

    Oh………….here we go again. Good old Wixxy with his sources who can never ever be named….ROFLMAO

    “The document has Jacksons name in the documents properties, ……..”

    So what……….?

    I just saved an email onto my hard drive and went into Properties and it allowed me to change all manner of things.

    You should try it………….hardly rocket science.

    “………..It includes a string of prostitutes, designer clothes, dental work, gourmet food and drinks at a favourite Melbourne hotel…………”

    Sorry…………but from what I’ve read his name (Jackson’s) is not even on that particular card.

    His problem related to cash advances of $15,000……….

    (Page 466 of FWA Report). Nassios points out citing a newspaper report, the $15 000 had been repaid by Jeff Jackson in settlement of three payments of $5 000 identified as “back pay” dishonestly claimed.

    When asked by Fair Work Australia to clarify his claim that another person had used prostitutes on his card, Thomson declined to provide any details, citing legal advice.

    So apparently he (Jackson) paid the money back. And yet again Thomson refuses to co-operate.

    So much for that conspiracy.

    I mean seriously why do you lot expend your credibility capital on such a pointless defence ?

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2012 12:43 pm

    All roads lead to AbbottAbbottAbbott and they are coming to take me away haha hehe heyhey!!!!

  175. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 12:45 pm

    “Oh come on, do you honestly believe that Tony Abbott could dream up such a conviluted fantasy of a conspiracy that Craig Thomson would have us all believe has been foisted upon him…..?”

    If Tony Abbott has pulled this off then we need to make him PM ASAP.

    He is positively brilliant………a reincarnation of Einstein

  176. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 12:56 pm

    And now to bring Opus Dei into the whole thing……………….FFS

    Nazis invading from the Moon will be cited next

  177. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 12:57 pm

    Did anyone go and see that Movie by the way ?

  178. May 23, 2012 1:16 pm

    No, but I was thinking about it…

    I did see “The Grey” the other day, but it was kind of crap.

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2012 1:18 pm

    Oh come on, do you honestly believe that Tony Abbott could dream up such a conviluted fantasy of a conspiracy that Craig Thomson would have us all believe has been foisted upon him…..?

    Please don’t be stupid reb and don’t treat me as stupid.

    Of course I don’t believe that Abbott dreamed up the events, that is the union bunfight and remains the union stitch up/dispute.

    Abbott has made sure it has become the dominant No.1 public issue for his own re-election agenda. With Thomson on the front page of all media [the media campaigning for him] his conspiracy is to use what was an internal union dispute as his ticket to the lodge. I believe there is a conspiracy between Abbott, Lawler and Jackson and the Liberal Party to bring down the government, there can be no excuse for Jackson to be using the Liberal/HR Nicholls contacts in her power play for union control. She is betraying HSU workers by sleeping with their mortal enemy. There is no excuse for lawler to be operating under a massive conflict of interest and perverting the course of an official investigation.

    With this on the front page and dominating 24hr news coverage Abbott hasn’t had any scrutiny applied to his policies (or lack of), his inconsistencies, his lies and what is basically an incompetent Opposition. He thinks he can gain the keys to the lodge through getting rid of an MP rather than putting himself, what he stands for (tony abbott becoming PM) and his ragtag collection of religious zealots to the people.

  180. el gordo permalink
    May 23, 2012 1:29 pm

    ‘Abbott has made sure it has become the dominant No.1 public issue for his own re-election agenda.’

    It’s his job to defeat the government, it’s called democracy.

  181. Meta permalink
    May 23, 2012 1:29 pm

    (Modus operandi.)

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2012 1:33 pm

    It’s his job to defeat the government, it’s called democracy.

    It’s his job to be an alternative government and present an alternative ‘vision’, it’s not his job to get in by default, through foul means.

  183. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2012 1:33 pm

    there can be no excuse for Jackson to be using the Liberal/HR Nicholls contacts in her power play for union control

    Do you reckon the speech thing might be a bit of a payback for the pro bono representation? You seem to be the expert on conflicts of interest, Kittylitter. Do you understand why Jackson can’t engage the major industrial lawyers that usually represent Unions?

  184. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 1:39 pm

    “There is no excuse for lawler to be operating under a massive conflict of interest and perverting the course of an official investigation.”

    Firstly where is the proof of “perverting”

    Secondly is not FWA General Manager Bernadette O’Neil (who was in charge of the investigation and was appointed by the ALP) in the same “compromised” position.

    Oh sorry………………..that wont fit your construct.

    And one more thing………..”Abbott has made sure it has become the dominant No.1 public issue for his own re-election agenda.”

    What do you think he’s going to do ?

  185. el gordo permalink
    May 23, 2012 1:44 pm

    ‘…it’s not his job to get in by default, through foul means.’

    Julia did and I’ll never forgive her for that useless tax which has dudded Labor.

  186. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2012 1:45 pm

    Do you understand why Jackson can’t engage the major industrial lawyers that usually represent Unions?

    So the dastardly unions both understand and avoid a conflict of interest, but Liberal party people and their connections can’t understand the concept?

    There are other barristers she could have used, are you saying the only other legal advice she could gain was through the Liberal Party?

    And pro bono too! No, no conspiracy or conflicts there. She is on a pretty good salary isn’t she, why not pay her own way?

    Jackson has through her actions, betrayed the very people she purports to represent, she is a traitor to their cause.

  187. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 1:51 pm

    Good point eg

    What tax are you referring to ?

    LOL

  188. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 1:54 pm

    Sorry Kitty

    Wrong yet again.

    Jackson announced this morning they will be paid.

    And why is it upto her to pay for it anyway. Its not likethe ALP bankrolling Thomson’s failed Fairfax action.

    Which yet again he continues to lie about saying they settled with him.

  189. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2012 2:00 pm

    Tell ya what, Kittylitter, I’ll agree that Jackson should pay her own way immediately as long as you agree Thomson should too. That will end this whole farce immediately.

    All you have on Jackson is allegation and innuendo. The evidence against Thomson is in his contradictory statements to Parliament and to FWA, and in news conferences. There are also material records.

    Your anger against Jackson is way out of proportion with your “let the whole process run its course” as regards Thomson. “Letting the whole process run its course” has so far taken about 6 years. It is entirely about delaying tactics from Thomson, FWA, and the ALP. It’s all about stalling and nothing about swiftly getting to the truth.

    If Jackson’s cause is about protecting Union mates, then you’re damn right she’s betrayed them. Beyond that, she’s brought to the attention of the broader public the disgusting rip off of the HSU members by the likes of Williamson and Thomson. Nothing would have been done without the public outcry. Nothing was done about Wilson. It would have been the same result.

    She may well not come with clean hands, to be fair and just I’ll make a judgement on that in 6 years time. Let’s just await an FWA report on her.

    Pro bono work is performed all the time by lawyers in circumstances where there is a significant imbalance between the financial capacities of the parties involved. In fact, the union lawyers do it all the time (no win no fee?). Are all those Plaintiffs crooked? Or is it only a conflict when it’s performed by those on the side you don’t like.

    There is just so much in this case that contradicts your statements in previous cases of a similar nature. Wilkie and Assange are whistleblowing heroes as far as you’re concerned, despite the security implications of their revelations. Jackson is a traitor.

    You, Kittylitter, are a hypocrite.

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2012 2:14 pm

    Wrong yet again.
    Jackson announced this morning they will be paid.

    She’s all over the place isn’t she? Twisting, turning and fibbing everywhere. She announced that because she/the libs know it’s not a good look and hasn’t gone down well with the public.

    ‘…it’s not his job to get in by default, through foul means.’
    Julia did and I’ll never forgive her for that useless tax which has dudded Labor.

    And if you’ve been so angered, so outraged by Gillard (or should I use the Libs term “her” or “this PM”), why do you hypocritically accept it in Abbott?

    Once again it’s been entertaining, cheerio now, I’m off to work!

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2012 2:19 pm

    ” It is also interesting that tomM says he should not go to jail, why not

    I’m saying – that’s not up to me to determine, and the those that crap on about parallels with Lindy Chamberlain are full of it.

    But his suitability for employment as an MP is something that we’re entitled to form a view about. He now has a proven record of telling several conflicting versions of part of the expenditure. So even if one of them happens to be truthful, he’s not been truthful in telling the other version.

    If a court finds him guilty, and a custodial sentence results, fine with me. If he doesn’t get gaol, that’s also fine with me. If he’s found not guilty on the criminal standard, fair enough, that’s the system.

    But none of that should prevent anyone from forming a view about the character of this man, and his suitability in his current occupation.
    —————————–
    I also don’t understand the fuss about Kathy Jackson using Harmers.

    Harmers seem to do some reasonable advocacy on behalf of individual employees. They took on the sexual harassment case against David Jones, which probably didn’t endear them to some for the corporate community.

    I think they did that pro bono too.

  192. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2012 2:21 pm

    “Let’s just await an FWA report on her.”

    We have that. It found that she was late filing a return. The percentage of space in the FWA report devoted to her misdeeds is in inverse proportion to the invective sprayed at her by the rusted-ons.

    “You, Kittylitter, are a hypocrite.”

    That is a bit harsh. Like Thomson, she probably believes passionately in the truth of what she says.

  193. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2012 2:52 pm

    AO would be wise to avoid linking us to that wixxy site, otherwise I’ll be tempted to comment there. It’s largely a fact free site.

  194. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 3:35 pm

    This Thomson saga is getting a bit like the Carbon Tax versus Carbon Price argument.

    Neverendiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing

  195. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 3:48 pm

    Everything Thomson has claimed has upon further investigation been found to be seriously lacking in fact/evidence.

    Yet defend him they will.

  196. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2012 4:03 pm

    Jaws, the first rule in the ALP is not to be a “rat” (which is probably why you wouldn’t fit in). That means that you toe the party line no matter how wrong it is or how ridiculous you look doing so.

    If your Labor boss is a pedophile and you dob on him you will be punished by the party. You will be a hated outcast. If you dob on Laurie Brereton you will be vilified and have your political career destroyed. Welcome to Unionland – that is the way the ALP works.

    Thomson was unlucky enough to be a crucial vote in a hung parliament. Without the attention this has brought he would probably have slithered out of his predicament like Gillard’s ex, Bruce Wilson.

  197. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 4:07 pm

    Why did Facebook go public?

    They couldn’t figure out the privacy settings either.

    Kaboooooooooooom

  198. May 23, 2012 4:13 pm

    *groan*

  199. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2012 4:43 pm

    Some of these are actually funny.

  200. el gordo permalink
    May 23, 2012 5:59 pm

    Pat has a poem up at the cafe.

  201. May 23, 2012 7:02 pm

    I see that Min is still ruling the cafe with an iron fist..

    Apparently any dissension from the “prevailing wisdom” that Craig is innocent will immediately be stomped upon.

    I wonder why I bother…

    🙄

  202. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2012 7:08 pm

    Newsflash!!!! ACA have found a hooker!!

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2012 7:12 pm

    Well, I think it’s the embarrassment of –
    • saying case to answer = trolling
    • recommending to wait for the FWA report, before forming a view
    • walking away from that position, because the FWA report is quite compelling
    • scratching around for yet another excuse to overlook Thomson’s unsavoury & unethical behaviour

    Some people just find it a little embarrassing to have their incorrect judgment pointed out so regularly.

  204. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2012 7:25 pm

    Craig Thomson is entitled to due process ant the presumption of innocence in this civilized nation with it’s separation of powers.

    BUT THAT FUCKING TRAITOROUS SLUT KATHY JACKSON SHOULD BE STRUNG UP!!!!

  205. May 23, 2012 7:29 pm

    LOL @ snacty… 🙂

  206. May 23, 2012 7:35 pm

    The funny thing is that they’ve all welcomed Nasking back with open arms back at the cafe whereas it wasn’t all that long ago they were all declaring that he was a psycho and a troublemaker..

    A fkn weird lot if ever there was one…

  207. May 23, 2012 7:44 pm

    Remarkable. I’ve been accused of “deraling a thread” that was talking about Craig Thomson by talking about Craig Thomson.

    I guess I just didn’t say “the right” things…

    😯

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2012 7:57 pm

    Well, I think it’s lucky that I’m not entitled to participate there. Because I still think the points I made there just prior to my banning have been entirely validated.

    Scaper is welcomed back too.

    With the greatest of respect to that blog, I think they prefer their challenge to be relatively unchallenging.

  209. May 23, 2012 8:05 pm

    I wonder whatever happened to Min.

    Once upon a time she was a lovely gay-friendly old soul, and now she’s just a vindictive nasty old bitch.

    I guess people change overtime.

    Pity really….

  210. cassiekey permalink
    May 23, 2012 8:09 pm

    She fell off her perch

  211. el gordo permalink
    May 23, 2012 8:45 pm

    As a go between I can report that Min was about to go off blogging for awhile, then Miglo fell ill so now Min is doing a Farnham until someone else fills the shoes.

    I am inclined to throw my hat in the ring, but as I’m still referred to as a troll my nomination as acting editor might be premature.

  212. cassiekey permalink
    May 23, 2012 9:13 pm

    James, is the hooker found by ACA able to identify the “member”?

  213. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2012 9:42 pm

    Around some of the blogs there are some who are critical of the opposition for going hard on Thomson given his mental state.

    I really don’t think this is up to the opposition. If there is a risk to his health or safety, it is up to Thomson or the ALP to remove him from the workplace where he is exposed to the risk.

    Certainly it’s not the responsibility of the opposition.

  214. cassiekey permalink
    May 23, 2012 9:45 pm

    OHS

  215. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 10:41 pm

    Come on I thought we had a peace deal between blogs going. It has been rather pleasant to cut the sniping out. Miglo leaves me alone and I leave him alone and everybody accepts what they post over there. So let’s just live in harmony

  216. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 10:46 pm

    Help I have been kidnapped

    If you are reading this I have been assassinated …… !

  217. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 10:49 pm

    Seriously I was enjoying the peace

  218. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 10:53 pm

    Sancty

    Should I call a good friend of mine in the tcn9 newsroom or are you just having a lend ?

    I do know the cheque books were well and truly out . That’s been the case for months though.

  219. Bacchus permalink
    May 23, 2012 10:59 pm

    Seriously I was enjoying the peace

    So was I Jaws…

  220. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 11:19 pm

    Yes bacchus I agree

    The maroons played hard, done well tonight…… But that try seriously…… Anyway you still would have won.

    I do not and will never understand why NSW give up their game advantage by going to a joint built around an oversized natural stormwater drain each year .

  221. Bacchus permalink
    May 23, 2012 11:38 pm

    Yep Jaws – I called that “no try” as I did the first NSW try. I’ve looked at that one on video and the ball came off Uate onto Boyd, but that really doesn’t matter. Overall not a memorable Origin game. Quite possibly another reason this should have been played in front of a QLD or NSW crowd. Bloody Victorians have no idea of what real football is 😉

  222. Sean permalink
    May 23, 2012 11:41 pm

    Besides all that Bacchus. The trio of Cronk, Smith and Slater should have been broken up at club level when the cap was breached.

  223. JAWS permalink
    May 23, 2012 11:44 pm

    That was from me ( Sean)

    Frigging mobile blogging

  224. Bacchus permalink
    May 23, 2012 11:46 pm

    Why Sean – IF the Storm can keep them and still come under the cap? They did lose Inglis.

  225. Bacchus permalink
    May 23, 2012 11:50 pm

    The “trio” didn’t star tonight Jaws, but neither did the NSW trio. Players of the match for mine were Uate, Tate and Hayne (Why TF can’t he play like that for the Eels? 🙄 )

  226. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2012 1:44 am

    BUT THAT FUCKING TRAITOROUS SLUT KATHY JACKSON SHOULD BE STRUNG UP!!!!

    I don’t think anyone else here has referred to jackson in such derogatory terms. Sure, criticism for her actions but no personal and demeaning insults – that’s all your work.

    That rant of yours was all BS james, you are like the typical bully, you can’t fight on the merits so you throw up a bunch of personal slights and falsely made accusations, in the hope of gaining a win because the other person refuses to stoop to your level.

    I see you are still using the same old trick of completely re-framing the opponents argument to pretend they are saying something they haven’t actually said, then arguing your manufactured/imagined debate not theirs. Did you think I wouldn’t notice you trying to Bolt me?

    If Jackson’s cause is about protecting Union mates, then you’re damn right she’s betrayed them.

    I actually said nothing of the sort. I said jackson betrayed the workers, the union members, by going to their mortal enemy the HR Nicholls/Liberal connections who are ideologically opposed to the very existence of unions. Nothing about union mates.

    So, in the end, you need to manufacture a completely false argument just so you can say at the end

    “You, Kittylitter, are a hypocrite.”

    What a shame it’s all a big fat lie and only exists in your head.

    Your anger against Jackson is way out of proportion with your “let the whole process run its course” as regards Thomson.

    But I’m not angry about jackson, I am critical and I am questioning her motivations but no, I am not angry. She doesn’t affect me personally.

    Pro bono work is performed all the time by lawyers in circumstances where there is a significant imbalance between the financial capacities of the parties involved. In fact, the union lawyers do it all the time (no win no fee?). Are all those Plaintiffs crooked? Or is it only a conflict when it’s performed by those on the side you don’t like.

    And Jackson stated on national TV that she was getting pro bono lawyering because the law firm believed in her, believed in her cause. Does that mean that lawyers don’t believe in the cases and causes of other people, the ones who receive a bill and have to pay for their services? That’s a weird way of doing business.

    There is just so much in this case that contradicts your statements in previous cases of a similar nature. Wilkie and Assange are whistleblowing heroes as far as you’re concerned, despite the security implications of their revelations. Jackson is a traitor.

    Wilkie and Assange?, FFS how do you make a giant leap from Thomson to them? Maybe you can rake up something I said to my little brother 20 years ago and throw that in as being relevant to THIS discussion and THESE people.

    Different people, totally different argument, nothing similar about them at all [there you go with that manufacturing of content again] c’mon man stay focused, your mind keeps wandering!

  227. JAWS permalink
    May 24, 2012 8:44 am

    Yep

    Sounds like one of the many horizontal dancing girls has been found………..

    Good………………..we need some fresh material to talk about

    Kitty would be bored otherwise

    🙂

  228. JAWS permalink
    May 24, 2012 8:47 am

    “…..IF the Storm can keep them and still come under the cap?………”

    Those guys have played together since they were in the maternity ward Bacchus

    They would likely never played as a combination if the Storm hadn’t rorted the cap.

  229. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 24, 2012 8:55 am

    Kittylitter, the CAPS was directed at “the other place” and more broadly at the left commentary. It was intended as a humourous characterisation of a ridiculous argument. It was not directed at you personally.

    I didn’t leap from Thomson to Wilkie and Assange (you know, the accused sexual assaulter). I leapt from Kathy Jackson to Wilkie and Assange. It’s the contrast in characterisation of whistleblowers. They are heroes right up until they expose sleaze in the unions. Then they are traitors to the cause. A cause that appears to be undefined at this point.

  230. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 24, 2012 9:04 am

    Bloody Victorians have no idea of what real football is

    Well we do, it’s just that we enjoy other forms of “entertainment” from time to time.

    Next week we have female mud wrestling. Queens Birthday weekend I think the World Dwarf Throwing Championships are on. After that the Kiwis roll in for the festival of “spin the bottle” complete with an army of virgin ewes. Aside from the dwarves, everyone else are willing participants.

    They would likely never played as a combination if the Storm hadn’t rorted the cap.

    I thought they were all rejects?

  231. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 24, 2012 9:16 am

    Now I may be going mad (going???? I hear) but I could have sworn that over at the “other place” just yesterday someone was asking why there wasn’t evidence from one of the “ladies of the night” in relation to all this. That post appears to have been removed or edited.

  232. el gordo permalink
    May 24, 2012 9:27 am

    “Who is going to take this seriously when they pay a prostitute money?
    “It has absolutely no credibility,” said Thomson.

    guffaw

  233. JAWS permalink
    May 24, 2012 9:29 am

    After the initial opening questions from the TCN9 Reporter how long will this interview go for ?

    I shudder to think of how one would fill a typical slab of prime time TV.

    Just what sort of detail are we going to be subjected to ?

  234. JAWS permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:05 am

    “……….I could have sworn that over at the “other place” just yesterday someone was asking why there wasn’t evidence from one of the “ladies of the night” in relation to all this. That post appears to have been removed or edited.”

    Sancty I think you might be referring to the “Note” directly beneath the “Poem”.

    So it appears you still retain your mental faculties.

    My….my……I didn’t realise there was an outbreak of rioting over there yesterday. I dont bother peering through the Cafe window very much these days.

    They tend to play the same music over and over again.

    At least we have Toilet to jolt us bolt upright with his amusing musical selection.

    By the way……………..Did TomR “top himself” in Blogging Terminology ?

    Dont see him much these days.

  235. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:14 am

    Ah, then I unreservedly apologise for the inference that a post had been edited or deleted. I was wrong.

  236. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:22 am

    “Who is going to take this seriously when they pay a prostitute money?”

    Was Craig talking about his own statement to parliament?

  237. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:28 am

    I didn’t leap from Thomson to Wilkie and Assange (you know, the accused sexual assaulter). I leapt from Kathy Jackson to Wilkie and Assange.

    It’s the contrast in characterisation of whistleblowers.

    Either I didn’t read you right james, or you could have explained yourself better, I had no idea you were talking of the other place – I don’t go there and i don’t indulge in idle gossip about the people there!
    Apologies if I misunderstood and have accused you unfairly.

    I don’t see kathy jackson as a whistleblower, I think that for many years she has taken part in and profited from the largesse in general, her own exorbitant wage and expenses being an example. Whistleblowers don’t usually personally benefit from exposing the corruption in the organisation either.

    I don’t think she is telling the truth herself, she looked very dodgy in that last Chris Uhlmann interview it was very damaging for her, showed up her obfuscations and lies.

    Also, why has this info only just come to light (public knowledge) since Thomson’s speech.
    Surely, someone in the media should have been interested in the background, lives, work and history of the people from the other side of a dispute that has brought a government to it’s knees. It’s not the ‘balanced’ reporting that you guys like to see in any issue is it?

  238. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:31 am

    Dont see him much these days.

    Wonder why? 🙄

  239. Meta permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:33 am

    (Given that Strikeforce Carnarvon was said to be widening its search to finding memorable sex industry workers some weeks ago, one can only assume that Channel 9’s contributions to tainting evidence-gathering procedures is to be welcomed. I guess we can but hope, after shopping around Craig’s photo, that “Candy” is given the benefit of the doubt and ‘pixelation’, and maybe some hawt voice distortion.)

  240. JAWS permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:39 am

    “….then I unreservedly apologise for the inference that a post had been edited or deleted. I was wrong.” – Sancty

    “….Apologies if I misunderstood and have accused you unfairly.” – Kitty

    WTF…….?

    If you two keep this apology shit up I’m outa here ……………..!

  241. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:41 am

    …I guess we can but hope, after shopping around Craig’s photo, that “Candy” is given the benefit of the doubt and ‘pixelation’, and maybe some hawt voice distortion.)

    😆

  242. JAWS permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:42 am

    So Meta…you think pixelation should be the go ?……..I take it you are not a fan of the dark silhouetted talking head against a bright background method

  243. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:43 am

    If I don’t apologise when I’m wrong then I have no credibility expecting that of those I criticise.

  244. el gordo permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:48 am

    ‘Wonder why?’

    Has he stopped his blog?

  245. JAWS permalink
    May 24, 2012 10:52 am

    I’d hazard a guess that most of the “Candy’s” of the World are now after upto 8 years happily married/have finally finished fulltime law or journalism degrees perhaps and working for Harmers Lawyers or Channel 7.

  246. Bacchus permalink
    May 24, 2012 12:18 pm

    Or have died of an overdose Jaws?

  247. JAWS permalink
    May 24, 2012 12:33 pm

    Some bloggers (the “True Believers”) , who still believe Thomson, are relying on an ABC interview conducted with a couple of people from the Dobell electorate to reinforce their belief in him. These voters apparently believed Thomson was telling the truth in his address to Parliament in the immediate aftermath.

    Apparently the “truth” does not extend to telling outright lies in his claim that others were sending letters of support to him when they in fact have had no contact with him for 25 years plus.

    That to the “True Believers” is of no consequence

    They still believe him.

    Very curious indeed.

    I think some True Believers may have succumbed to a version of the Stockholme Syndrome

  248. JAWS permalink
    May 24, 2012 12:36 pm

    “.Or have died of an overdose Jaws?”

    Nah,

    It dont look like a “smack” or “ice” house to me. More like a coke joint

    Looks quite classy actually

    http://www.tiffanysgirls.com.au/

  249. JAWS permalink
    May 24, 2012 1:06 pm

    LOL

    Hey Meta

    Have you been to Thomson’s preferred horizontal dancing club by any chance.

    Meet Candy…………………….

    http://www.tiffanysgirls.com.au/tiffanys_sydney_girl_des.aspx?print=175

  250. JAWS permalink
    May 24, 2012 1:11 pm

    Oh……..the poor little mite.

    Or should I say sleazy corrupt cnut

    Seems to be getting a bit too much for him.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/no-end-to-the-relentless-pursuit-20120524-1z6od.html

  251. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2012 2:13 pm

    As far as “the relentless pursuit” of Thomson goes, that is entirely of Thomson’s own making. If he and the sleazy government he is propping up stopped pissing in our faces then he would not be front page news every day. He is the poster boy for a rotten government. In the normal course, he would have stepped out of the limelight and resigned. But precisely because he is crucial to the ambitions of the ALP, they have bought and paid for him to the tune of $400k (that we know about). His part of the bargain is for him to stand up and tell bald-faced lies to the Australian people to keep Gillard and her Unionland cabal in power. The Australian people do not like having their parliament debased and are taking a keen interest in the unraveling of the web of lies that is at the core of this stinking turd of a government.

  252. May 24, 2012 2:24 pm

    I agree with Splatterbottom…

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2012 2:46 pm

    Breaking news on local radio is that NO MONEY WAS PAID to prostitute … Stat Dec in possession of Channel 9 …

  254. May 24, 2012 6:32 pm

    “Wilkie and Assange are whistleblowing heroes as far as you’re concerned, despite the security implications of their revelations.”

    squirt, SQUIRT

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