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Queensland XXXX now Officially Australia’s Top Selling Beer.

May 30, 2012
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A satisfied customer

This is a national disgrace!

Australia’s most popular beer for decades, VB, has lost its crown, to that rancid piss from Queensland Castlemaine XXXX.

Yes, it’s the unbelievable truth that simply shows just how far standards have slumped.  “ XXXX Gold” from Queensland now officially the nation’s biggest-selling brew.

No, we’re not taking the piss!

The latest figures from Nielsen show that XXXX’s mid-strength beer now commands 12.4 per cent of all beer consumed in Australia, just beating VB, with 12.3 per cent.

Sales of VB have apparently been waning for years, dragged lower by increased competition from a slew of international beers such as Corona and Heineken, and a switch by drinkers to craft beers, wine and other alcoholic drinks.

VB’s popularity has also not been helped by a recent reduction in its alcohol content, which turned off some traditional drinkers. A shift in its marketing campaigns also failed to win back drinkers.

According to Nielsen, VB’s market share was 13.7 per cent of the market in April last year against 11.7 per cent for Queensland rival XXXX Gold.

But in March this year the beers were neck and neck, both with a stake of 12.4 per cent, with just released April 2012 figures showing the Queensland beer had finally hit the lead.

XXXX Gold is owned by Lion, which is in turn part of Japanese conglomerate Kirin. Foster’s formerly owned VB before it was itself swallowed by London-based SABMiller,

In third place in terms of market share is Carlton Draught with 9.3 per cent, followed by Tooheys New 7.1 per cent, Tooheys Extra Dry with 4.4 per cent and Carlton Mid 3.8 per cent.

 

 

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  1. May 30, 2012 4:22 pm

    Forget about the Craig Thomson affair – this is an absolute disgrace!!

  2. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 4:36 pm

    I think that photo needs a funnier caption

  3. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 4:38 pm

    Halftime at State of Origin

  4. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 4:38 pm

    He spends more on a carton than he does on a haircut

  5. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 4:39 pm

    Is that Radar O’Reilly ?

  6. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 4:40 pm

    One of TBs Mine Workers about to have breakfast………………

  7. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 4:41 pm

    Bring on the competency test…………

  8. May 30, 2012 4:57 pm

    *****SPECIAL OFFER!****

    Buy a carton of Castlemaine XXXX and we’ll throw in a free boofhead delivery man!

    Yours to keep whether you choose to drink the beer or not!

  9. Bacchus permalink
    May 30, 2012 4:58 pm

    LOL – well VB tastes like cat’s piss too, so standards didn’t have far to slump. How anyone can drink either of them beggars belief! In fact that goes for any of the top 6 🙂

  10. May 30, 2012 5:05 pm

    I don’t mind a Boag’s Draught….

    Or a pint of guiness if I can’t be bothered cooking dinner….

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 5:06 pm

    In recent years the country has become more bogan. The price of polyester is through the roof, due to the Queensland demand. They find it comfortable in polyester leisure suits in the oppressive Queensland climate, downing a XXXX, to dull the senses.

    Queensland is too hot to enjoy good red, and they can’t even produce decent beer.

    It’s unAustralian!

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2012 5:07 pm

    Jesus fkn wept! And GOLD!

    Who would buy that crap!

    And as far as I know … the Japanese still own the brewery!

    Most of the “traditional” Aussie beer tastes like cat’s piss, Baccy, XXXX, VB, Fosters, Tooheys, Cascade, Swan ….. yuk … give me a Stella or a Hahn Premium anyday …

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2012 5:11 pm

    Guinness is Good!

    Speaking of incahol time for my Bowlers Run SSB!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Sitting in Centrelink today (what a fun place that is!) and in walks the classic 55 yo transvestite … and then begins the “discussion” with staff “… but they still have me listed as female don’t they?”

    A whole new world …

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    I see Colton got appendicitis on Survivor last night … karma at its most bitter …

  14. Bacchus permalink
    May 30, 2012 5:12 pm

    Agree Reb – the Boag’s is a nice drop. I quite like a Fat Yak as well, but I’m slowly working my way through the various James Squire range at the moment. i haven’t found one that really hits the spot yet, but the trail of discovery is 1/2 the fun 🙂

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2012 5:14 pm

    Queensland is too hot to enjoy good red, and they can’t even produce decent beer.

    This part of Queensland is fkn cold right now! If the Blogmasta were here now, he’d be off wi’ tha kilt an’ on wi’ the trews …

  16. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 5:41 pm

    “……but I’m slowly working my way through the various James Squire range at the moment.”

    Bacchus,

    Been there done that and have settled on the Four Wives Pilsener. Really really nice stuff with a nice crisp spicy taste and aroma. Have also converted a few mates to it including my boat owning friend

    Amber Ale : A bit of a “home brew” aroma to it. Not impressed.

    Golden Ale: Not bad but could be better on the taste (weak ?)

    Indian Pale Ale : Very aromatic (floral) and high in alcohol. A bit too over the top.

    Australian Lager: Just not very impressive

    Porter : Sorry but this one was Yuk.

    Also I refrain from drinking straight from the bottle as the experience is much better out of a glass (preferably a proper pilsener glass).

    Only draw back with James Squire range is you need a bottle opener handy

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2012 5:51 pm

    OK … I’m in the market for an MP3 player …. NOT a fkn iPod, Fanbois!

    I primarily want to use it for my daily constitutional (an hours walk) …

    … 8Gb minimum and shuffle … I currently use a $15 Hong Kong special that doesn’t have shuffle 😯 … flashes every fkn colour in the rainbow with every fkn button push and is virtually unreadable because of its size … think of half a cigar!

    Any advice and or experiences gratefully recieved …

    … please bear in mind I was bred in Yorkshire and as the Scottish git will tell ya – we’re tighter (with money) than a Scot’s sphincter on a braw bricht moonlicht nicht … och aye! 😆

  18. Bacchus permalink
    May 30, 2012 5:56 pm

    Thanks for that Jaws – next time I’ll go straight for the Four Wives. I’ve still got One Fifty Lashes Pale Ale and The Chancer Golden Ale in the fridge to get through.

    Bottle opener is not a problem any more either. Stella is my usual drop, so there’s a magnetic opener on the bar fridge door downstairs, an opener on the other end of corkscrew upstairs, a couple of “waiter’s friends” lying around, and an opener in the console in the car. I can’t remember the last time I opened a twist cap.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2012 5:57 pm

    Also I refrain from drinking straight from the bottle as the experience is much better out of a glass (preferably a proper pilsener glass).

    Absobloodylutely! I have quaffed beer, ale, lager and stout from a glass for nigh on 35 years … advised – of all people – by Len Evans many years ago … beer should be savoured and enjoyed in the same way you enjoy a good wine, he said …

    … and as you will know, Wally, the European breweries ALL have their own glass shape for aroma and taste … differently shaped glasses will direct the flavours to different parts of the mouth, nose and thoat at different times … the same reason we have different glasses for different wines …

    That reminds me …

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:00 pm

    Stella is my usual drop

    It’s getting a bit worrying now, Baccy … so’s mine … and the “original” Coke bottle opener is on the wall alongside the drinks fridge downstairs and a nifty aluminium job my son gave me sits on the bar fride upstairs … 🙄

  21. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:02 pm

    Different stroke for different folks Bacchus. One man’s beer is another man’s cat piss.

    But next time you are in your bottle shop buy a couple of Pilseners. I love it whether its hot or cold weather and for a Qld climate I’d think it would be perfect…..

    Hiccup………perhaps too perfect……..LOL

  22. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:05 pm

    “……….the same reason we have different glasses for different wines … ”

    I think Toilet’s idea of a different “glass” is one with a different label on it to the previous one.

    LOL

  23. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:07 pm

    “NOT a fkn iPod”

    Cant help ya then. The wife is addicted to her Ipod Nano (the size of a 50c piece)

  24. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:08 pm

    Its so small it also clips onto her sleeve when she goes to the gym

  25. Bacchus permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:19 pm

    Have you ever noticed that there are two versions of Stella available TB? Sometimes it’s Australian brewed, sometimes Belgian. You have to look closely to notice the difference, but the staff at Dan’s pick it straight away – the bar code is in a different place on the carton.

    The Belgian variety is the nicer of the two IMO.

  26. Bacchus permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:29 pm

    Language Warning – take care!

    Judge Sancty presiding? :mrgreen:

  27. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:32 pm

    Something happened with beer in recent years where I can’t drink Carlton beer at all, can drink one or two Tassie beers, and up to half a dozen Coronas. So sorry, Australia, it was me!!

    And I used to so love beer. *sniff*

  28. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:33 pm

    Very good Bacchus. If only.

  29. public toilet permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:55 pm

    Straight out of the stubby/longneck/can is fine. It’s fkn beer, not champagne. Putting it in a glass is introducing an unnecessary middleman.

    I’ve been on the Boags Draught & several Coopers variants for a while now.
    The beers on that list are worse than swine vomit.

  30. public toilet permalink
    May 30, 2012 6:58 pm

    Got sick of Heineken.

    Corona is like a watery yeast infection.

    VB is repulsive.

  31. el gordo permalink
    May 30, 2012 7:18 pm

    Judging by the comments… its no wonder the trend is towards wine consumption.

  32. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 7:25 pm

    Tell the truth, Toilet. You tip Southwarks in like a certain MP shags hookers!!

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 7:55 pm

    I don’t drink beer unless it’s accompanying a Thai meal, or unless it’s really hot.

    The notion that some people talk about beer in the way we discuss wine is stupid.

    IT’S JUST BEER!!

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2012 8:00 pm

    The notion that some people talk about beer in the way we discuss wine is stupid.

    IT’S JUST BEER!!

    There’s so much you just don’t get , ToMMie … 🙄

  35. Bacchus permalink
    May 30, 2012 8:01 pm

    IT’S JUST BEER?? 😯

    Go and wash your mouth out with Cock + Bull Merlot ToM 😆

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 8:21 pm

    Yes, it’s just beer!

    I can tell a VB from a Corona … because the shape of the bottle is different.

    But if someone comments “very strong hops, yeast, fruity… long fermentation”. I say- “it tastes like beer to me”

  37. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 8:36 pm

    ToM is a Philistinian, Merlot sipping, polygamy indulging, opera watching, unstrayan fkn snob

  38. May 30, 2012 8:56 pm

    What ‘s that mexican shit that people think it’s h ip and trendy to stick of wedge of lemon in the nec of the bottle? That corona piss i suspect.

    Honestly any decent beer isn’t going to improve much by shoving a wedge of lemon down its throat.

    Another beer Worth mentioning is moo brew.

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 8:57 pm

    Merlot is crap.

    It’s for people who drink light red, ie those that have no appreciation for wine.

    I’d rather drink beer than merlot.

  40. May 30, 2012 8:58 pm

    “ToM is a Philistinian, Merlot sipping, polygamy indulging, opera watching, unstrayan fkn snob”

    I object!!!

    No one of ToM’s calibre drinks merlot…..!

  41. May 30, 2012 9:00 pm

    Merlot is for people who cant handle shiraz.

  42. Bacchus permalink
    May 30, 2012 9:14 pm

    lol – hence why ToM should “go and wash his mouth out with Cock + Bull Merlot” @ $4.50 a bottle 😆

  43. Bacchus permalink
    May 30, 2012 9:15 pm

    * rather than soap – I know, I know, it’s cruel…

  44. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 9:17 pm

    As opposed to Fifi and Lulu washing their mouths out with C……. Oh never mind….

  45. May 30, 2012 9:22 pm

    $4.50 a bottle…?

    You’d better keep that quiet or TB’ll be onto it like a fly to he proverbial!!

    TB’s tastes – at a stretch – amount to $5.99 for a bottle of McWilliams “Inheritance Range” red….

  46. May 30, 2012 9:23 pm

    I’m sure Snacty meant “Cognac….

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 9:25 pm

    Fifi & Lulu was their mouths out with Bollinger Blanc de Noirs Vieilles Vignes Francaises.

    Merlot is the stuff that you get at a wedding reception in suburban Perth, that’s as down market as it comes.

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 9:28 pm

    “McWilliams “Inheritance Range” red….”

    It grips your throat like velcro.

  49. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 9:35 pm

    Where’s that pilot chick anyway??

  50. Bacchus permalink
    May 30, 2012 9:40 pm

    Look out Mrs S* James is feeling randy 😯 and Randy likes it

  51. May 30, 2012 9:41 pm

    Put the tissue box away Snacty….

  52. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 10:39 pm

    The overseas markets are pretty good at just being a bit down if anyone is interestd

  53. James of North Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2012 10:52 pm

    By the way, it was CCoronas.

  54. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 11:10 pm

    Assange’s guilt has been proven beyond reasonable doubt………….. John Pilger was on tv tonight outraged.

  55. JAWS permalink
    May 30, 2012 11:19 pm

    Back to beer though.

    I like Pinot on Wednesday nights

    Goes with the climate I guess

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2012 9:36 am

    TB, for jogging I would use an MP3 player like this Philips. It is cheap, has good battery life and the controls are good once you get used to them.

    The best sounding player is said to be the Cowon. I would also have a look at the Sonys. My daughter has a Cowon and it is better than the equivalent Sony, which another of the kids has.

    I would also invest in some good earphones. I recently bought some Logitech Ultimate Ears 700s ($120) and they are astounding. Every time I put them on I am blown away by the clarity.

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 10:11 am

    sp, many thanks for that … I’ll check ’em all out … I came across Cowan a few months ago …

    … I read a lot of “reviews” before I buy but I reckon you can’t beat “personal” reviews from people who really own the bloody things …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    My favourite beer is still, Theakstons Old Peculiar, brewed in them dark satanic hills … hard to get and not cheap but worth it …

  58. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 10:13 am

    I bet you used to drink Scrumpy Jack as well

  59. May 31, 2012 10:16 am

    “Old Peculiar”

    If the cap fits I suppose….

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 10:32 am

    Scrumpy Jack’s not bad but doesn’t match the real Scrumpy form Devon …

    Is tha’ a wee jockular (sic), Jummy? 😯

  61. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 10:35 am

    “………..doesn’t match the real Scrumpy form Devon …”

    That’s why I used past tense.

    I see alcohol sales were up in yesterdays retail figures.

  62. May 31, 2012 10:38 am

    TB wants an iPod (or something).

    I’ve always wondered how you fit the ear pieces in when you wear a hearing aid. Do they fit over the top or is there some special connection?

  63. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 10:45 am

    LOL

    I was thinking the same thing Sancty. But I refrained from mentioning hearing loss as I guessed that coupled with erection problems it might get him cranky.

    Best we say nothing

  64. May 31, 2012 10:59 am

    Not to mention the headphone cable might get tangled up in the walking frame…

  65. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 11:02 am

    Thank God there are plenty of pockets in a Safari Suit to stash stuff

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 11:15 am

    What’s this test TB week? Ageism jokes now! … do I make sexist jokes … or racist jokes … or religious jokes … or lawyer jokes … or Wally jokes … 😛

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2012 11:24 am

    TB I have had two of the Philips players (predecessor model to the one I linked to) for about three years. They are very light but durable. The battery lasts about 20 hours. I keep one in the car and the other at work. They are also drag and drop and you can navigate them by folder structure which helps with badly tagged files.

    The Logitech earphones have two speakers in each ear. They are entry level for pro grade earphones but damn they are good.

    Happy listening. Maybe you should get some death metal from Toilet Boss to help you up the big hills!

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 11:29 am

    Maybe you should get some death metal from Toilet Boss to help you up the big hills!

    😯

    Tell you what, sp, the strangest songs are good for walking to … I’ve never been a “fan” of American Pie but the beat’s really good and Dire Strait’s stuff … Michael Buble’s Just Haven’t Met You Yet … as well …

    What with my introducution to the comedy acts at Centrelink and my new found exercise regime … its a whole New World … 🙂

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 11:34 am

    Assange’s guilt has been proven beyond reasonable doubt …

    No it hasn’t …

    … he’s simply been extradited to face charges in a Swedish Court … I’m surprised that the “resident lawyer” didn’t comment on that statement …

  70. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 11:40 am

    If Pilger is supporting him he must be guilty.

    He should hang now, and his body drawn into quarters and taken to the four corners of the UK with his head stuck on a pike on Waterloo Bridge.

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2012 11:52 am

    I have quite a degree of sympathy for Asasange. I don’t mind people who needle governments, it’s good for democracy.

    But Gillard has said Assange is guilty, so it must be true.

  72. May 31, 2012 11:52 am

    Get this up ya, TB…

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 11:57 am

    Toillette! Is that the title of the band or the song/album? Yer sick lad … but I like your new name … LOL!

  74. May 31, 2012 11:57 am

    Of course, it has absolutely nothing to do with the US projecting its tendrils of intimidation & control.

    Discrediting a whistleblowing institution by making one man’s ego the centrepiece of the smear is a great way to protect hegemoniacal entrenchment. It doesn’t work so well (hegemony) if ugly truths are available to the global populace.

    All too suspiciously carried out behind closed doors, this Assange thing.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 11:59 am

    Oh! Bugger “sick” doesn’t mean “sick” anymore … like “gay young man” doesn’t mean “gay etc” …

    HD, you are one fkd up dude, bro’! And very poorly to boot!

  76. May 31, 2012 12:01 pm

    DYING FETUS is the band, TB. A monolith of technical brutal death metal. Good for what ails ya.

    I was gonna post a track which they only released today, but it is not PC (cough) & might have caused a bit of distress. called “Womb to Waste” for anyone who wants a good bit of being offended .

  77. May 31, 2012 12:02 pm

    Very poorly???

    I’m fit & comfortable. Neither rich nor in the gutter.

  78. May 31, 2012 12:05 pm

    One man’s fucked up is another man’s war against sugary, benign, popular bilge. 😉

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 12:08 pm

    Hehehehe … what are doing up, anyway?

  80. May 31, 2012 12:31 pm

    I saw the comments and just thought it was a touch of sarcasm.

    I don’t get the Assange hysteria. He can’t be extradited to the US from Sweden having been extradited from the UK to Sweden without UK approval. The extradition relationship between the US and UK I understand is stronger than that between Sweden and the US.

    He’s been accused of multiple counts of sexual assault in Sweden. He should answer those accusations.

  81. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 12:38 pm

    “The extradition relationship between the US and UK I understand is stronger than that between Sweden and the US.”

    I spose a bit depends on whether he would face the death penalty if extradited to the USA as well.

    Same restrictions that we imposed on whatever state in the USA it was when the USA extradited that guy for murdering his wife on that barrier reef diving expedition.

  82. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 12:40 pm

    “He should answer those accusations.”

    Yep

    Another case of “justice delayed is justice denied”

  83. May 31, 2012 12:47 pm

    I have no issue with him ‘answering charges’ in Sweden. However, he/we should be rightfully concerned about US behind the scenes machinations & any attempt to whisk him over there.

    Substitute the name Julian Assange for ‘Australian Citizen’ & forget all of the innuendo about the man & the vagaries of the potential backroom shit going on here are disturbing.

    Snacty, you say…”He can’t be extradited to the US from Sweden having been extradited from the UK to Sweden without UK approval.”

    Now, I hope you’re right, but given decades of less than honourable international interferences from the US (think South & Central America, for a start) it should be approached with healthy cynicism.

  84. May 31, 2012 12:48 pm

    I’m on arvo shift, TB, so I’ve been up for a few hours. 😉

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 31, 2012 1:05 pm

    The government says that Assange is receiving the same support that any Australians receive when in legal trouble overseas.

    Well in that case, I guess we can expect Assange to be extradited to the US, imprisoned in a military jail from where he will never see the light of day unless he agrees to a military kangaroo court 😉

    Or he could simply be assassinated, I hear the Israelis and the CIA are pretty good at that.

  86. May 31, 2012 1:21 pm

    It’s the law, Toilet. It prevents exactly what is unreasonably suspected of many in this case.

    Now I will stand corrected if Sweden DO act as some seem to fear, but there simply is no reason to suspect such a thing of them. They are hardly the US’s lapdogs. The US are far more likely to achieve extradition from the UK than from Sweden.

    But whilst we’re on the subject of US interventions etc, any ideas on what, if anything, should be done as regards Syria? I mean Kofi Annan’s 6 point plan has been a rip roaring success so far.

  87. May 31, 2012 1:27 pm

    Invade! Invade!

    Israel is always after a bit more annexed real estate.

  88. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 1:29 pm

    “I mean Kofi Annan’s 6 point plan has been a rip roaring success so far.”

    Yeah,

    The UN should just stick to tourism awards…….

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/u-n-endorses-zimbabwe-president-robert-mugabe-tourism-leader-article-1.1086536

  89. May 31, 2012 1:33 pm

    Seriously though. I’m not across the detail but Assad is widely acknowledged as a tnuc & tyrant who is more than willing to slaughter his own countrymen/women/children. I’m not familiar with the motivations of any internal opposition to him (obvious emancipatory efforts aside).
    Aren’t things somewhat complicated by Russia et al?

    It’s probably illustrative of a ‘lack of US interest’ being served, when juxtaposed against the reckless willingness to lay waste to Iraq with a hurried occupation based upon far less blatant (at the time) inhumane acts than are making headlines in Syria. Let’s face it, you wouldn’t need to make up bullshit about WMD to build a rational case for intervening there at the moment.

  90. May 31, 2012 1:50 pm

    I’ve just been down to JB HI FI, and saw a very unconvincing transvestite…

    Just a six foot tall burly bloke with long red hair in a dress…

    It’s always the unconvincing ones who seem to stand out…

    But I guess that’s because the convincing ones blend in.

  91. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 1:54 pm

    Very loosely the joint is run by the Baath Party which is supported by the Sunni Muslim minority and the Christians. Most Syrian are Shi-ite.

    I’m sure the USA wants the killings to stop but I’m not so sure they also want Assad kicked out.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2012 2:00 pm

    I’m certainly no expert, but there is plenty of commentary around to suggest that Sweden has been quite co-operative with the US on extradition.

    If Sweden does eventually extradite Assange to the US, I’ll be dusting off some of my ancient protesting habits and directing them to both consulates here. Extradition of Assange would be a compete crock, and the government should seek a specific commitment from Sweden.

  93. May 31, 2012 2:04 pm

    Bingo! Jaws.

    They predictably act out of self interest, which is entirely understandable…but puts the sword to any hollow claims of noble purpose with regard to such ventures as Iraq. Altruism & humane outcomes for the civilians of other countries subject to invasion are incidental & rarely the primary motivation.
    The facade is what irks me. It’s just something for their arselickers to hang their hats on.

    Recognising where they do & don’t choose to expend blood & treasure is an excellent indication of the ‘reality’ of the situation. It’s a pity so many people are willing to buy the bullshit & end up cannon fodder out of some misplaced sense of allegiance to a table cloth & the slippery truths attached to it.
    Same goes for most powerful nations, of course, it’s just that the US wields a bigger stick & more influence than most & the threat should be recognised as such.

  94. May 31, 2012 2:05 pm

    The interests are largely similar to Iraq. 2.5 billion barrells of oil, a Ba’ath Party nutcase running the show, atrocities against own people. If no WMD argument in Iraq, then the motivations are largely similar. Interference in Lebanese politics. Russian issue existed with Iraq too, although I’d grant Russia is a little stronger now than a decade ago.

    At one end, you have the Kofi Annan solution (Syria, Rwanda, Kosovo) and at the other you have George Dubya (Iraq, Afghanistan). It’s on. Right now. What should be done?

  95. May 31, 2012 2:09 pm

    What ToM said!

    I couldn’t agree more.

    I was under the impression (rightly or wrongly) that Assange was indeed more likely to be extradited from Sweden than the UK…& that this was a primary motivation in the arm wrestle to have him sent there.

    It remains to be seen, I suppose; but, as I said, I’m the eternal pessimist about such things. Our own government could be rightly accused of being complicitly quiet on the issue, for the most part.
    It smacks of the importance of Australian citizenship balanced against appeasing ‘daddy’…& there’s more than a whiff of willful ignorance from our government, ala Hicks, about it.

  96. May 31, 2012 2:13 pm

    I personally think that it’s about ‘risk v reward’ for the US. They’ve had their fingers burnt & I doubt that they’ll get tangled up in it directly.

    As for what to do?…I really don’t know. I’m sure the situation is complicated, but noone likes to see the wholesale massacre of civilians.
    The world (US included) is very good at pretending not to see & then clamouring posthumously…kinda like when Saddam was gassing his own people but helpfully smashing that other favourite boogeyman, Iran.

  97. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2012 2:18 pm

    Most Syrians (74%) are Sunni. Assad and the ruling clique are Alawites (which are a subset of Shi’ite Twelvers). So, it is not surprising Iran supports the Assad regime and the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda and other Sunni groups support the rebels.

  98. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 3:42 pm

    You are correct SB. I had it around the wrong way.

    Anyway I doubt the USA wants Assad out

  99. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 3:45 pm

    Can we get back on subject ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_Syria

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 4:09 pm

    Russian issue existed with Iraq too, although I’d grant Russia is a little stronger now than a decade ago.

    But Russia didn’t have a naval base in Iraq or sell most of its armaments to Iraq either … now Syria …

    We watched Green Zone again on the weekend … an it really does hit the mark in so many ways …

    HD, cannon fodder unfortunately don’t decide wher they get eaten …

    As I said before its becoming more obvious that the UN should have a standing army of volunteers of its own … not just secondments from national standing armies …

    … the UN reacts too slowly and often its too late … I am reliably informed that the UN is very wasteful of resources … a close relative was seconded to the UN in E Timor for about nine months …

  101. el gordo permalink
    May 31, 2012 5:19 pm

    Hooray! More pressure on Julia.

    ‘The NSW upper house has passed a motion calling on the federal government to allow gay marriage, despite a Liberal MP saying that change could lead to polygamy.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-upper-house-backs-gay-marriage-20120531-1zkew.html#ixzz1wQgYqMHi

  102. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 6:09 pm

    Spanish Bonds are creping closer and closer to 7%.

    Also

    AAAP 5:45pm…………………

    “It is believed that the Vatican City will be making formal approaches to the Italian Finance Ministry to seek bailout funds to enable the renovation of various sections of St Peters Basilica and the Papal residence in the coming weeks. The necessary renovations to the City are believed to have been preliminarily costed at approximately US$1.3 Billion.

    It is believed that these approaches will be met favourably and will be partially funded by cutbacks in student, unemployment, homeless and aged benefits and pensions.

    However as it is quite possible that Italy will be ultimately forced to turn to the IMF for a bailout it is likely that all IMF members (including Australia which recently contributed $7B to the IMF) will be indirectly contributing to these renovations.”

    Further reactions and details in coming hours

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 6:50 pm

    I actually like crepes but I always thought they were French … not Spanish …

  104. el gordo permalink
    May 31, 2012 7:13 pm

    ‘Brussels floated the idea on Wednesday for a eurozone “bank union” and use of the European Stability Mechanism — which has not yet been ratified by most states — to rescue banks and sever the dangerous nexus between crippled lenders and crippled states.

    ‘The proposals were shot down instantly by Berlin. Such plans amount to debt-mutualization, a form of back-door eurobonds. German opposition is “well known”, said the Kanzleramt.’

    Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2012 7:32 pm

    Just getting back to the subject, I’m currently having a sensational 2005 Heathcote shiraz.

    Why would anyone drink beer? It’s only beer!

    Whereas good shiraz is not.

  106. May 31, 2012 7:57 pm

    Beer is for people who have no taste Tom. I’m supping on a Coonawarra cab sav 2008…..

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 8:03 pm

    Just finished my baked beans on toast … after a nice couple of Bowlers Run Semillon Sauvignon Blancs … large full rim glasses so that you can appreciate the quantity rather than the quality … 😉

    Does anyone know what wine to have with tin of corned beef and chips? (we’re having a real meal tomorrow for lunch)

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2012 8:20 pm

    TB, I’d have a De Bortoli Yarra Valley Syrah (shiraz). I had corned beef once, and I think it’s a little salty, this shiraz would be ideal. You’ll probably pick up a bottle for about $50.

    Hope you enjoy it!

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2012 8:38 pm

    50 fkn bucks! Tell ’em their dreamin’ …

  110. May 31, 2012 8:47 pm

    TB, May I suggest a Yellowtail Sem sav blanc or Penfolds Rawsons Retreat ? Although I suspect that at $10-$15 dollars a bottle it might be above your budget…

    Apparently Mitre 10 have a nice run on methalated spirits at the moment too….

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2012 8:57 pm

    How much is a bottle of the WT you drink? Now that’s a waste of money!

    If you want something a cheaper, the Taylors (yes the detested Taylors) Jaraman Shiraz is only about $20 a bottle. It’s quite a good quaffer.

    It’s years since I tried anything further down market, perhaps Bacchus can help. I think he’s from the north too.

    Otherwise reb is right about Mitre 10, though Bunnings may be even cheaper!

  112. Bacchus permalink
    May 31, 2012 9:02 pm

    How about a Penfolds Koonunga Hill Shiraz 2006 or a Penfolds Thomas Hyland Shiraz?

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2012 9:25 pm

    Maybe Bacchus, the Thomas Hyland can be ok (if you’ve had a few bottles of good red to “condition” the palate first).

    But if you’re going to spend $14 on a bottle, just go ahead and spend the extra few on something that doesn’t quite rip the phlegm of the throat.

  114. Bacchus permalink
    May 31, 2012 9:32 pm

    I suspect your “extra few” may mean something entirely different to what a pensioner (or even someone on the average wage) would consider ToM 😉

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2012 9:44 pm

    Bacchus, a wine tosser said to me (when I was spending less on wine) – life’s too short to drink bad wine.

    Sage advice.

  116. JAWS permalink
    May 31, 2012 10:15 pm

    8 million to be spent on the pope mobile which will be custom built on a Humvee chassis. 16 million US to be spent on aircon / humidit controller for the papal wine cellar as designed by a team from MoetChandon.

    Seems reasonable

  117. public toilet permalink
    May 31, 2012 10:49 pm

    Don’t get me and reb started on the mfkn pope!

  118. June 1, 2012 7:56 am

    I’ve ben drinking Tahbilk Coonawarra Cab Sav 2008 fron Dan Murphys lately. At $17 it’s a steal.

  119. June 1, 2012 9:25 am

    At 7.56am????? FMD, Reb, no wonder your posts are getting so rambling…….

    😯

  120. June 1, 2012 11:30 am

    Nice one! snacty does a quick “LOOK OVER THERE” to head off what was promising to be a welcome tangent of pope-bashing! 😆

  121. June 1, 2012 11:32 am

    The pope’s worst nightmare is gays on boats making sandwiches & getting married while using condoms & preventing nazi war criminals from escaping to South America.

  122. JAWS permalink
    June 1, 2012 12:21 pm

    “At 7.56am????? FMD, Reb, no wonder your posts are getting so rambling…….”

    They must have introduced TB’s competency tests at Reb’s workplace

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