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June 1, 2012

Life.

What is it and who does it think it is?   This week has been a weird and whacky world of politics and grim headlines from around the globe.

Who can you trust to bring you the most reliable news and topical stories none of which are ever sensationalised a bit too much or even made up at all?   The Farnham Report of course.

The world already provides enough unbelievable stories of its own.  Take for example the “Miami Zombie” who decided to make a meal of some homeless guy’s face in Florida earlier this week.  Apparently he was “high” on baking soda of all things.  Who knew?

HE’S NOT A ZOMBIE, HE’S MY SON” claims distressed mum.

Not I’m not saying that it’s the start of the Zombie Apocalypse or anything, but when some dude chows down another guy’s noggin and doesn’t react to being shot, perhaps we ought to consider it.

It pays to BE PREPARED.

Check out the grisly photos here (or don’t if you’re a bit squeamish)…

And the even more grisly one here…

And if that wasn’t enough gore for one week, now there’s some Canadian gay porn star who’s the subject of a world-wide man hunt after murdering and dismembering another guy and sending bits of him to different people in the post.

I mean to say, who are these people…??

A video reportedly circulating online shows a man repeatedly stab another man with an ice pick and dismembering him, as a song from the soundtrack of the film “American Psycho” plays in the background.

“It’s a video of the murder,” police told the Daily Globe and Mail. The newspaper also reported that the footage showed acts of cannibalism..

Meanwhile, back home a Sydney woman – Jian Chen – has pleaded guilty to manslaughter after attempting to “castrate” her husband she discovered Mr Chen had a new girlfriend.

According to a statement of facts before the court, police said she had used sleeping pills to spike the soup she gave her former partner at her North Ryde home on February 9.

Once Mr Chen was asleep, Mrs Chen allegedly bound his hands and feet and stabbed him a number of times in the neck and groin, before cutting off his penis and scrotum.

It doesn’t bear thinking about really..

And if that’s not enough for one week, apparently there’s a new AIDS like disease that’s already infected 8 million people and is spread through mosquito bites and it’s going to KILL US ALL!

On that note, have a lovely weekend..

 

 

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2012 4:42 pm

    This thread is especially for, Toillettesmellybrushesandturdingwipes, isn’t it? Just ’cause he listens to shitty music!

    … and what about the Svedish professor who cut off his wife’s lips and ate ’em ’cause he thought she was having an affair?

    Or the campers who fell off a cliff and landed on a bush and ate each other’s legs mouthful by mouthful and survived for two weeks before a grizzly bear attacked and ate one of them!

  2. June 1, 2012 4:58 pm

    Right…..so gays are cutting people up now?

    Kind of fair that they make “some” nervous then isn’t it?

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2012 5:04 pm

    attempting to “castrate” her husband she discovered Mr Chen had a new girlfriend

    That’s a bitter experience that we can all learn from. It’s a reason that I only have a relationship with twins.

  4. June 1, 2012 5:20 pm

    Who was it said that the truth can be stranger and fiction? Some idiot who didn’t know his zombies from his castrators I guess! :-O

  5. June 1, 2012 5:21 pm

    Oops — that should be a ‘than’, not an ‘and’. I knew that ‘bloody’ zombie finger would stuff it up!

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2012 5:33 pm

    That’s a bitter experience that we can all learn from. It’s a reason that I only have a relationship with twins.

    That explains it – you couldn’t get that silly playin’ with one … ! 😛

  7. JAWS permalink
    June 1, 2012 5:40 pm

    Another idiosyncrasy care of the Greeks.

    Two weeks out from their elections today is the last day opinion polls can be published in Greece.

    The last poll I saw today had the Socialists at 30% which given they get a bonus 50 seats should enable them to form an anti austerity coalition fairly easily (I think its 50 bonus seats anyway)

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2012 5:49 pm

    This is a classic example of how our world is changing … service no longer exists but the race to the bottom for a quick dollar continues …

    A GEELONG mother says she feels disgusted that she was asked to pay to breastfeed her four-week-old son, Kaiden, in a parenting room inside a Ballarat pharmacy.

    … “As a result of Ms Dunn’s complaint, and the relative lack of public facilities in this area of Ballarat, we are reviewing our policy for visitors,” Ms McLennan said.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/woman-asked-to-pay-10-to-breasfeed-her-son-in-a-ballarat-pharmacy/story-e6frfkx0-1226380341070

    This is Über Kapitalism at its worst … no empathy, no customer service, no civility, no morals, no understanding, no humanity … no reason …

    Robber Baron mentality and writ large in the microcosm of society … multiply this sad management thinking into the hundreds of thousands and it gives you a picture of a civilisation in decay … a mislaid understanding of marketing and customer psychology …

    Give your customer respect and service and they will buy your products.service … its so bloody easy … it hurts …

    Businesses just don’t get it … put people over profits and make money … people buy service too many businesses don’t sell it …

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2012 5:50 pm

    Apologies, guys … this is mine (don’t want to cause any confusion)

    This is Über Kapitalism at its worst … no empathy, no customer service, no civility, no morals, no understanding, no humanity … no reason …

    Robber Baron mentality and writ large in the microcosm of society … multiply this sad management thinking into the hundreds of thousands and it gives you a picture of a civilisation in decay … a mislaid understanding of marketing and customer psychology …

    Give your customer respect and service and they will buy your products.service … its so bloody easy … it hurts …

    Businesses just don’t get it … put people over profits and make money … people buy service too many businesses don’t sell it …

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2012 5:53 pm

    Another idiosyncrasy care of the Greeks.

    … another expensive nonsense (I know what you mean, Wally!) … if I remember they were originally introduced to keep out the national socialists … oh dear …

  11. el gordo permalink
    June 1, 2012 5:55 pm

    ‘All that can save the single currency is a full political and economic union in which every country has the same tax and spending policies, and mutualised debt.

    ‘The Germans, as the only seriously credit-worthy country in the euro, would have to underwrite it.

    ‘That would effectively mean the creation of the Fourth Reich.’

    UK Mail

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2012 6:06 pm

    That would effectively mean the creation of the Fourth Reich.’

    Mein Kumpel Teutonic sagte mir, es wurde vor 20 Jahren kommen

    Sieg!

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2012 6:19 pm

    Its like War of The Worlds – and still they come … here’s another one!

    A US college student in Maryland has admitted murdering and dismembering a man and then eating his heart and part of his brain.

    http://www.news.com.au/news/killer-cannibal-admits-eating-house-guests-heart-and-brain/story-fncvfxcm-1226380618950

    HD, must be in ecstasy land!

  14. public toilet permalink
    June 1, 2012 7:03 pm

    Sniffeth it…

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2012 7:04 pm

    Got the flu, mate?

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2012 7:04 pm

    You look awful!

  17. public toilet permalink
    June 1, 2012 7:06 pm

    That gay ex-porn star come cat torturer come dismemberer from Canada seems far worse, TB.

    Still on the loose & mailing body parts to the Canadian PM.

  18. JAWS permalink
    June 1, 2012 7:36 pm

    In Breaking News the Lebanese Olympics Boxing Team has withdrawn from the London Olympics.

    They just found out Boxing is a one on one competition.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2012 8:27 pm

    Still on the loose & mailing body parts to the Canadian PM.

    … and you have a problem with that … astounding ..

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2012 8:27 pm

    They just found out Boxing is a one on one competition.

    What about tag boxing?

  21. public toilet permalink
    June 1, 2012 8:55 pm

    GSP for the win!

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2012 10:15 pm

    Being a sports fan, I’d like to see tag team beach volleyball, in a tub of jelly.

  23. JAWS permalink
    June 1, 2012 10:19 pm

    Is there a reason why ToM has ToSY’s avatar or am I really not upto
    speed with something. It only occurs in “Recent Posts” not in the Thread itself.

  24. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2012 10:30 pm

    That’s interesting. I’m on a device that doesn’t show images, only text.

    Though I’d prefer to claim that Tony is my sock puppet, he might object.

    I think Tony might be celebrating a football result.

  25. JAWS permalink
    June 1, 2012 11:36 pm

    WordPress again ???

    Does it not occur with others ?

    Like I said its only in the recent posts column but not on the Threads themselves

  26. JAWS permalink
    June 1, 2012 11:51 pm

    It has stopped all of a sudden

    Hmmmmmmmmm !

  27. JAWS permalink
    June 2, 2012 12:08 am

    Oops

    Disappointing jobs number in the USA . Dow down by 1.3 percent.

  28. JAWS permalink
    June 2, 2012 12:21 am

    From an economist point of view this is really interesting as we might be about to see perhaps fleetingly a “squatters fee” meaning a negative interest rate where the depositor parks cash just to keep it safe in say German or USA bonds.

    It will be a kind of ” safe custody” fee which was seen in 2008/09. But not on this scale .

  29. Tony permalink
    June 2, 2012 7:26 pm

    Did someone mention buskers earlier? Here’s my contribution anyway . . .

    http://twitpic.com/6rz879

  30. Tony permalink
    June 2, 2012 7:41 pm

    Music for the Zombie Apocalypse

  31. el gordo permalink
    June 2, 2012 9:14 pm

    ‘Following several disturbing incidents involving cannibalism that have set the internet aflutter with rumours of an impending ‘Zombie Apocalypse,’ the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a statement on Friday saying that there is no cause to fear the walking dead.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153578/U-S-government-denies-coming-Zombie-Apocalypse-amid-spate-bizarre-flesh-munching-incidents-Internet-rumors.html#ixzz1wdKdZ9x3

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2012 11:00 am

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/geoff-shaw-under-fire-over-another-private-business/story-e6frf7jo-1226381433495

    For the past 3 weeks the Herald Sun has put stories about the expense rorting of Liberal MP Geoff Shaw on the front page.

    How can anyone continue to claim that the newspaper has a Liberal bias? It’s simply that newspapers have a crack at politicians who lie, rort and steal, particularly government ones.

  33. el gordo permalink
    June 3, 2012 11:07 am

    Yes…hate media is an urban myth.

    Journalists go after stories, its their job… if its saucy with political intrigue, they are doing the best they can for the ailing rags.

  34. el gordo permalink
    June 3, 2012 12:02 pm

    Gary Gray is getting a heap of flack from the unions….he would make a fantastic prime minister.

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2012 6:17 pm

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2012 7:07 pm

    … where are all the Zombies?

    Oh dear! Called for dinner the gourmet tomato soup and freshly made oven baked croutons … that Abbey Rye is so versatile …

    Busy tomorrow, the British Railway Modellers of Australia, Northside Group, swoop upon our humble dwelling … hot, freshly made sausage rolls will be served by, The Minister, (made to my dear, old departed, Mum’s special recipe) … we do live well …

  37. James of North Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2012 7:41 pm

    GO BLOODS!!!! We are back!! Jooles should have played. She couldn’t have been worse.

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2012 7:42 pm

    Pardon? 😯

  39. June 3, 2012 7:48 pm

    The handbagz are pretenderz.

  40. el gordo permalink
    June 3, 2012 7:53 pm

    What?

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2012 7:55 pm

    I think the Dogs were probably given a pep talk by Julia!

    How good is it to see Essendon, Carlton, Eagles all get beaten in games they expected to win??!!
    —————————————–
    The Broncos are the NRL equivalent of the Eagles.

  42. June 3, 2012 8:17 pm

    “What?”

    * I beg your pardon

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2012 8:21 pm

    The Broncos are the NRL equivalent of the Eagles.

    … Premiers in waiting, HD?

  44. June 3, 2012 8:26 pm

    dunno… 😯

    * hope not

    GO RAMS!!!

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2012 9:10 pm

    ”The emblem of the team was a ram (a male sheep). The ram was chosen, according to Super League chief executive John Ribot, because it was “readily identifiable with strength and hardness”.[7] This name was considered a better alternative to the first choice, the Adelaide Aces”

    If only they’d continued with the “Aces” they’d probably still be around!

    What a trail of destruction John Ribot has left, he started with Brisbane, of course.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_Rams

  46. Tony permalink
    June 4, 2012 7:33 am

    Glenn Reynolds: ‘Leftists are unhappy not that some are poor, but that others are rich.’

    Indeed.

  47. el gordo permalink
    June 4, 2012 7:50 am

    ‘TONY ABBOTT’S personal standing has fallen sharply but he remains on track to become prime minister, with only one in four voters prepared to choose Labor at the ballot box, the latest Herald/Nielsen poll finds.

    ‘After a tumultuous month, Mr Abbott is almost as unpopular as Julia Gillard, while Labor’s primary vote has fallen to 26 per cent, a depth the government last plumbed in July and the lowest level in the poll’s 40-year history.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-bad-but-labor-is-worse-says-poll-20120603-1zq7m.html#ixzz1wllT7E60

  48. el gordo permalink
    June 4, 2012 8:11 am

    Melbourne has caught the Spanish disease.

    ‘A flurry of development in inner Melbourne will see the number of new apartments added to the city’s rental market each year nearly double over the next three years, economic forecaster BIS Shrapnel has found.’

    From the Oz.

    Over supply and falling demand, a classic example of overweening ambition.

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2012 9:27 am

    So a positive budget message, the Thomson “explanation”, Gillard “wiping the floor with Abbott” and lots of “AbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbott”, has the ALP still languishing at 1 in 4 votes.

    What are the issues that will persuade 1 in 7 of the Liberal voters to switch to the ALP? Honesty… or repeating “it’s not a tax”… perhaps lots of “look over there”, maybe “it’s all the media’s fault”. They’re winning strategies for sure!

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2012 9:31 am

    To illustrate that a little further.

    The ALP needs about 1 in 7 Liberals to switch their allegiance in order for them to simply hold their current seats!

    But if 1 in 5 ALP voters switched to the Greens, the Greens would probably become the Opposition following the next election!

    It’s a mammoth task for the ALP to rebuild to a level that would see them remain even a minority government.

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2012 9:51 am

    ” PETER SLIPPER’S new coat and tails cost taxpayers $1248. His total travel bill in his first six months as Speaker of the Parliament was more than $18,000. He has spent more than $8500 on catering.

    Attorney-General, Nicola Roxon, has said the government will shield remaining MPs from such scrutiny by moving Parliament outside the reach of FOI

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/slippers-expenses-out-of-the-bag-but-rest-likely-to-stay-secret-20120603-1zq7t.html#ixzz1wmFkyTjo

    What possible reason is there to remove the expenses of MPs from the FOI?

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2012 10:06 am

    From ToSY’s post of some other poster’s post in the USA … (and because he “chooses” the bits he, “likes”) … here’s what his links tell us …

    June 3, 2012

    PROGRESS IN OBAMA’S WAR ON INEQUALITY:“Last year the US made great strides towards a more equal society: we cut the number of millionaires by more than 100,000. According to a study from the Boston Consulting Group, 129,000 evil US millionaires rejoined the ranks of the proletariat last year as the value of their stocks, cash and other non-business and non-property assets fell below the magic number.”

    Leftists are unhappy not that some are poor, but that others are rich.

    … a quote that the first poster misguidedly attributes (somehow) to Obama??? out of context and shiftily a little personal tag about “leftists” …

    And now the first three paragraphs from the quote

    Last year the US made great strides towards a more equal society: we cut the number of millionaires by more than 100,000. According to a study from the Boston Consulting Group, 129,000 evil US millionaires rejoined the ranks of the proletariat last year as the value of their stocks, cash and other non-business and non-property assets fell below the magic number.

    4.3 percent of US households still qualify as millionaires by that measure, but OWS partisans shouldn’t despair. Perhaps with another few years of stock market declines, slow or negative economic growth and low interest rates we can take another big whack out of that number.

    This is, of course, exactly the wrong way to think about things. Poverty is the problem we want to fight, not an excess of wealth. And the best way to fight poverty is for the overall productivity of a society to grow. That only comes when new products, new enterprises and new and more efficient ways of doing things are entering the market — and that generally means that the people who thought up those new ideas and did the hard work to make them real are getting rich.

    How this relates to …

    But Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said it was a “phony class war” to hide the Government’s real attack on middle Australia.

    Mr Swan gave a televised address to the National Press Club and conducted a forum on Twitter promoted with the hashtag #FairGo to carry on the criticism of Gina Rinehart, Clive Palmer and Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest he launched last week.

    “We can’t afford to let the market system or the political conversation be undermined by the greed of a wildly irresponsible few,” Mr Swan said.

    He accused them of bankrolling ferocious attacks on government policy for their own personal interest.

    Mr Swan said he was not attacking the rich, but the imbalance of power and influence.

    He accused Mr Abbott of “encouraging these people” because of donations to the Coalition.

    Olympic legend Herb Elliott, who is deputy chair of Mr Forrest’s company Fortescue, hit back at Mr Swan, saying his comments were unfair, untrue and divisive.

    Mr Elliot said Mr Forrest and his family were spending some of their wealth “assisting those in desperate need around the world”.

    Mr Palmer said Mr Swan was an “intellectual pygmy” and Labor was destroying the country’s wealth.

    Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said Mr Swan had declared war on people who were ambitious as a distraction from the Government’s failed policies.

    He said it was a class war on ambition.

    “You don’t grow the pie by shooting the chef,” he said.

    What bollocks The Robber Barons want everything for free … including the countries resources … how can labor be “destroying the country’s wealth” by sharing the value equitably … I know who the “intellectual pygmy” is … money obviously doesn’t make you smart … Clivey’s already got people in Queensland sick of his silly billboards of himself in my electorate …

    Ya gotta laugh, … “Mr Elliot said Mr Forrest and his family were spending some of their wealth “assisting those in desperate need around the world”. Charity begins at home Twiggy … “Olympic legend” WGAF!

    Puts a whole new light on ToSY’s posts … they just need a follow through … clever but deliberately misleading …

    Tny Abbott’s comments are just silly in what is supposed to be an egalitarian society … any “class” implications are made by him …

    Anyone from the left of politics in Australia is not against people making a lot of money … but we are against greed and making money without paying your dues …

    … I did very well in business as most social minded business people do … but I made my money fairly and not at the expense of others … and don’t think my competitors didn’t play silly buggers (The Minister was actually threatened that our business would be shut down by one qwango!) …

  53. JAWS permalink
    June 4, 2012 10:16 am

    Good morning all

    I trust we all had a lovely wekend. Sydney’s was very very wet

    Anyways………….How does the song go……………..”Let the Blood Flow”

    1.8% off the ASX in the first 15 minutes

  54. JAWS permalink
    June 4, 2012 10:30 am

    And as predicted

    Telstra bucks the trend and rises 1c

  55. JAWS permalink
    June 4, 2012 10:43 am

    I bet she nicked the bathrobes too

    From AAP this morning…………

    $A7.67m hotel bill too much for princess

    04/06/2012 09:17AM AEST

    A Saudi princess has been caught trying to leave the Shangri-La hotel in Paris without settling a six million euro ($A7.67 million) bill for her rooms, police say, confirming a report in the daily Le Parisien.

    Maha al-Sudani, the former wife of Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Nayef ben Abdel Aziz, tried to walk out at 3.30am on Thursday without paying for her suite and those of her 60-strong entourage, prompting staff to call in police, Le Parisien reported.

    The Saudi Arabian ambassador was also contacted during the incident, added Le Parisien, which noted that Sudani enjoys diplomatic immunity.

    When contacted by AFP, the luxury hotel’s director Alain Borgers said that that are “no problems” with its clients and “no unpaid bills” at the moment.

    The princess has already had previous run-ins over unpaid bills. In 2009, fashion chain Key Largo went to court to obtain 89,000 euros owed by the princess.

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 4, 2012 10:47 am

    One of the big criticisms that the ALP had of Costello was that he wasted the mining boom which started in 2004 because he spent too much money or handed it back as tax cuts. Well Costello actually saved $50B in his last three years so i do not agree with the ALP.

    So what are the people doing who preached so hard that Costello wasted the boom?? Well they are spending the money or handing it back as tax cuts.

    In fact they are doing worse than Costello because Labor has not saved a single cent of the mining boom.

  57. JAWS permalink
    June 4, 2012 10:53 am

    And now we are being softened up by Treasury leaks implying that because of Europe Swan will not be able to get to his 2012/13 Surplus.

    I’d like to be able to pick up the phone and whisper in his ear the following.

    “Listen you total financial and economic f**kwit………………We told you so………..”

  58. el gordo permalink
    June 4, 2012 10:54 am

    They are running a poll and most of the punters believe the ASX will dive as predicted.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets-live/markets-live-20b-wiped-from-market-20120604-1zqu3.html#poll

  59. JAWS permalink
    June 4, 2012 11:00 am

    Thanks to the amount of waste this government has produced we are now largely in a position whereby the job to stimulate the economy will need to be handled by the RBA.

    If you want to be a Keynesian you need to stimulate by spending on programs that will benefit the economy in the future like better highways, hospitals etc.

    You don’t frivolously spend it on better school halls. I have yet to see a study that can convince me as to how increasing the number or quality of f**king school pantomimes increases future ecomomic production

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2012 11:07 am

    So Swan won’t deliver his surplus, that’s great news for the ALP. It will give them still more excuses for their poor polling – “the economic cycle has turned on us”, “the public just doesn’t understand economics”, and of course the perennial “AbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottt”

  61. June 4, 2012 2:19 pm

    Most of that stuff from pjmedia is just anti-left screed, TB.

    I can’t believe smart people would take it seriously…just those already enamoured of superficial polemics of the FoxNews variety.

  62. June 4, 2012 2:21 pm

    When you see a sentence like this on somewhere like pjmedia…”Leftists are unhappy not that some are poor, but that others are rich”…then you just know that the accompanying diatribe is going to be wanky horseshit.

  63. HENRY THE HORSE DANCES THE WALTZ permalink
    June 4, 2012 3:36 pm

    I reckon that Leftists are unhappy not that some are poor, but that others are rich.

    Are youse with me ?

  64. JAWS permalink
    June 4, 2012 5:40 pm

    Browsing the blogs today its amazing the way the Leftists rely on the passage of time to try and rewrite history. I even saw one brazen claim today that, except for 1 person, every single arrival at Nauru under Howard ended up in Australia anyway.

    Now that is just an outright lie of the first order.

    Even Bowen doesn’t say that

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2012 5:47 pm

    Are youse with me ?

    See above – ya fkn, Wally …

  66. June 4, 2012 8:10 pm

    😯

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2012 8:22 pm

    interestingly, “trolling” is apparently ok if you end it with 😉

  68. Tony permalink
    June 4, 2012 8:24 pm

    Presumably toiletgenierinehag and toiletcliveobesitypalmershitpile have nothing against rich people. (They probably just don’t like fat tnucs.) 😯

  69. June 4, 2012 8:24 pm

    😉

    😯

  70. June 4, 2012 8:29 pm

    It’s more to do with the bullshit which comes out of their mouths than their physical appearance…but the latter does suggest a lifestyle devoid of the strenuous effort well known to those living less than grossly imbalanced existences.

    Money/wealth isn’t synonymous with wisdom/grace.

    As far as I’m concerned, those two in particular buy their ability to saturate their opinion upon us & consolidate their interests. This isn’t an option for the vast majority.

    *pjmedia is still anky anti-leftist horseshit, no matter my own revulsion for Jabba & Clive.

  71. Tony permalink
    June 4, 2012 8:42 pm

    ‘As far as I’m concerned, those two in particular buy their ability to saturate their opinion upon us & consolidate their interests. This isn’t an option for the vast majority.’

    It’s called patronage.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2012 9:12 pm

    Is it ok for bogans to be fat?

  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 4, 2012 9:15 pm

    “I even saw one brazen claim today that, except for 1 person, every single arrival at Nauru under Howard ended up in Australia anyway.”

    Yep. Leftists have no respect for the truth. Some examples………

    John Howard changed the way the unemployment rate was measured which explains why it went from 8% to 4%. To bad the way the unemployment rate is measured is the same in OECD countries.

    We had 20 war dead in the Iraq war therefore Howard is responsible for their deaths. To bad we had no casualties in the Iraq war.

    Howard spent nothing on infrastructure. To bad Howard spent lots on infrastructure.

    Howard cut health spending. Howard actually increased health spending.

    Howard lied about the GST. Howard took the GST to an election and we all got to vote on it.

    And it goes on and on.

    I should be an ALP supporter based on my income but I have nothing in common with people who vote for the ALP.

  74. June 4, 2012 9:26 pm

    “It’s called patronage.”

    Call it what you like, it is the ultimate example of the application of real ‘elite’ influence.
    Not just the ambiguous elites (ie. the educated, the academic et al) whom the likes of pjmedia/FoxNews/Bolt like to bang on about.
    Great diversionary stuff by them…while genuine power & privilege buys its own way & purchases megaphones to mislead the public into believing that that way is congruous with the interests of everyman.

  75. June 4, 2012 9:27 pm

    How about the people in Iraq who were mown down because Howard decided what was best for them, Neil.

    You fucking ostrich!

  76. June 4, 2012 9:30 pm

    Chrissie isn’t using her billions to secure the manufacturing of consent via media ownership, nor the backroom lobbying of government to grow her wealth, ToM.

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2012 9:43 pm

    True, but she’s still fat.

  78. el gordo permalink
    June 4, 2012 9:50 pm

    ‘Mr Abbott brushed off the popularity of former leader Malcolm Turnbull in the poll, putting it down to the work he is doing as communications spokesman.’

    That’s no lie… noice spin though.

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2012 10:17 pm

    A nice reminder of why Craig is not fit to be in the ALP – ”I don’t think this is a chemical formula about one molecule plus another molecule gives you an answer”

    As spoken by Our Prime Minister (the New) Julia Gillard.

  80. Tony permalink
    June 5, 2012 1:09 am

    ‘to secure the manufacturing of consent via media ownership’

    I’ll see your Chomsky and raise you some Friedman:

    ‘One feature of a free society is surely the freedom of individuals to advocate and propagandize openly for a radical change in the structure of the society — so long as the advocacy is restricted to persuasion and does not include force or other forms of coercion. It is a mark of the political freedom of a capitalist society that men can openly advocate and work for socialism. Equally, political freedom in a socialist society would require that men be free to advocate the introduction of capitalism. How could the freedom to advocate capitalism be preserved and protected in a socialist society?’

    ‘In order for men to advocate anything, they must in the first place be able to earn a living. This already raises a problem in a socialist society, since all jobs are under the direct control of political authorities. It would take an act of self-denial whose difficulty is underlined by experience in the United States after World War II with the problem of “security” among Federal employees, for a socialist government to permit its employees to advocate policies directly contrary to official doctrine.’

    ‘But let us suppose this act of self-denial to be achieved. For advocacy of capitalism to mean anything, the proponents must be able to finance their cause – to hold public meetings, publish pamphlets, buy radio time, issue newspapers and magazines, and so on. How could they raise the funds? There might and probably would be men in the socialist society with large incomes, perhaps even large capital sums in the form of government bonds and the like, but these would of necessity be high public officials. It is possible to conceive of a minor socialist official retaining his job although openly advocating capitalism. It strains credulity to imagine the socialist top brass financing such “subversive” activities.’

    ‘The only recourse for funds would be to raise small amounts from a large number of minor officials. But this is no real answer. To tap these sources, many people would already have to be persuaded, and our whole problem is how to initiate and finance a campaign to do so. Radical movements in capitalist societies have never been financed this way. They have typically been supported by a few wealthy individuals who have become persuaded – by a Frederick Vanderbilt Field, or an Anita McCormick Blaine, or a Corliss Lamont, to mention a few names recently prominent, or by a Friedrich Engels, to go farther back. This is a role of inequality of wealth in preserving political freedom that is seldom noted — the role of the patron.’

    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/ipe/friedman.htm

  81. Tony permalink
    June 5, 2012 1:13 am

    Oops. ‘Bold Off’ should have been after “consent” on the first line.

  82. Tony permalink
    June 5, 2012 2:20 am

    ‘The left’ has its share of wealthy patrons, too. But it’s only the ones whose ideas they don’t like that get demonised.

  83. public toilet permalink
    June 5, 2012 4:28 am

    Ok, but I contend that jabba & Clive are all about fattening their wallets further…preserving political freedom not so much.

    They have undue influence, solely via their wealth & requisite power, to do just that.

    Which Australian ‘leftists’ are trying to monopolize our mineral assets?

  84. Tony permalink
    June 5, 2012 7:02 am

    ‘Ok, but I contend that jabba & Clive are all about fattening their wallets further…preserving political freedom not so much.’

    Probably true, but we on the right don’t have a problem with people wanting to fatten their wallets. We think creating wealth is a good thing for all members of society. “A rising tide lifts all boats.”

    ‘They have undue influence, solely via their wealth & requisite power, to do just that.’

    Yes they have influence far above what we ‘ordinary’ people have. But so do many others in our society: politicians, academics, writers, film-makers, journalists, teachers.

    ‘Which Australian ‘leftists’ are trying to monopolize our mineral assets?’

    We on the right don’t like monopolies either. Adam Smith warned us that “A monopoly granted either to an individual or to a trading company has the same effect as a secret in trade or manufactures. The monopolists, by keeping the market constantly understocked, by never fully supplying the effectual demand, sell their commodities much above the natural price, and raise their emoluments, whether they consist in wages or profit, greatly above their natural rate.”

    We also believe it is one of the legitimate roles of government to provide the necessary conditions for competition, and to act against monopolies.

    We freedom-loving types don’t have a position on whether Genie Rinehardt or Clive Palmer are trying to “monopolise our mineral assets”, but we don’t mind if they are. Not only are we confident the market, assisted by government where necessary, will prevent that, but we see their ambition as a positive thing. Adam Smith again: “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.”

  85. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:32 am

    Having moved from the far left to the far right in the past couple of years and having spoken to numerous people on that journey, the people are unconcerned about Twiggy, Gina and the others.

    If Gina wants a couple of seats on the Fairfax board she has every right to get them and if she wants to follow in her dad’s footsteps, becoming a media mogul, then what harm in that?

    She wants to influence Australia’s future and develop the north, not with cheap foreign labour but with a strong healthy unionised workforce and their families.

    In the first instance she needs to get editorial balance at Fairfax on a couple of nasty taxes….

  86. June 5, 2012 8:49 am

    If we’re doing anecdotal affirmation…multitudes of people I’ve talked to are concerned about Gina & Clive; Twiggy doesn’t seem quite as prone to megalomaniacal pronouncements or positioning.
    These people are definitely not leftists, almost to a man.

    You ask “what harm in that?”…I say, potentially plenty….then I postulate…imagine the squealing if Gina was pumping her billions into supporting the carbon tax rather than assaulting it…you think about that for a split second, then return to nunuland where Gina is an altruist as pure as the driven snow.
    Crappervillesque fantasies incestuously humping a tax exempt zone of profiteering.

    Gina reminds me of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen(?).

  87. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:49 am

    The Ruddster may not put up his hand for the PM’s job, so Gary Gray is my pick.

    ‘…the emerging consensus is that there will be a change by Christmas if the polls continue as they are.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/rudd-wont-take-reins-if-bloodbath-on-cards-say-backers-20120604-1zs9x.html#ixzz1wrpjvrwZ

  88. June 5, 2012 8:52 am

    I appreciate your considered response, Tony. I guess I just don’t have unwavering faith in platitudes like “A rising tide lifts all boats.”

    More like, the tiny rafts of the many are capsized by the oblivious wake of the opulent Titanic. 😉

  89. June 5, 2012 9:08 am

    ‘I guess I just don’t have unwavering faith in platitudes like “A rising tide lifts all boats.”’

    Especially since it came from the lips of that renowned wingnut JFK? 😉

    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=9455#axzz1wrvx5GF1

  90. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 9:09 am

    ‘…imagine the squealing if Gina was pumping her billions into supporting the carbon tax rather than assaulting it…you think about that for a split second…’

    All Australians would support her if the science was solid and not just theoretical.

  91. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 9:17 am

    Go the Gray, a charismatic outsider with nothing to lose and everything to win…

    ‘JULIA Gillard and Labor Party national secretary George Wright have refused to criticise an ongoing union campaign to unseat Special Minister of State Gary Gray for advocating government policy on the use of foreign workers in the resources industry.

    ‘ACTU national secretary Dave Oliver has also refused to back Mr Gray, as unions continue to attack his endorsement of Enterprise Migration Agreements, designed in consultation with the union movement to allow the use of foreign labour on construction of major mining projects.’

  92. June 5, 2012 9:20 am

    JFK weren’t no leftist!

    He was chock full of platitudes though, like all empty vessel POTUS. 😉

    They have a splendid platitudinal hood ornament over there right now…& he ain’t no leftist neither!

    Also, going back up the thread a bit to the theorising about the machinations of a socialist sytem. When I first read it, it made me think that we don’t live in a socialist system anyway so it’s kinda attacking a strawman of sorts.
    I see no harm in a capitalist system tempered by some worthy socialist ideals. It’s just that the perfect balance will never be found while actual humanz are involved.

    * bedtime now…

  93. June 5, 2012 9:41 am

    ‘it made me think that we don’t live in a socialist system anyway so it’s kinda attacking a strawman of sorts.’

    That excerpt was from a book written in 1962, when Marxism was still in full swing. It was a comparison of the freedom to express radical ideas under capitalism, and the complete suppression of “subversive activities” under socialism.

  94. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:06 am

    ToSy

    Why do I get the feeling that when you went to kindergarten and heard that Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall you theorized that it was probably due to the wall being poorly built by socialists.

  95. June 5, 2012 2:17 pm

    To the list of racist xenophobes who claim that some people who arrive by boat and are given asylum seeker status are not genuine refugees, you can add the name Kerry O’Brien. . .

    ‘How is it that one small team from a television program with limited resources can expose the facts and the people revealed tonight, yet governments, with all the resources and expertise at their disposal, seemingly cannot?’

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/05/31/3515475.htm#transcript

  96. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 3:29 pm

    ‘How is it that one small team from a television program with limited resources can expose the facts and the people revealed tonight, yet governments, with all the resources and expertise at their disposal, seemingly cannot?’

    That’s an argument for smaller government just on the basis that if big government dont work………..why have it ?

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2012 4:37 pm

    ‘Ok, but I contend that jabba & Clive are all about fattening their wallets further…preserving political freedom not so much.’

    Probably true, but we on the right don’t have a problem with people wanting to fatten their wallets. We think creating wealth is a good thing for all members of society. “A rising tide lifts all boats.”

    Wishy washy, fob off, probably, possibly … it IS true ToSY… and the “rising tide” quote is crap … its about control and power … cannon fodder and factory fodder … cheaper the better … fk service … gimme money for nothing … quicker the better …

    … and the royal WE is a dead giveaway, most “on the right” think wealth is good for THEM … no-one else … you really should read more history … go to the UK and check out the mansions and gentlemen’s houses that were built while 9 year old kids were dying in the mines and the mills … and not all the “lords’ were like the bloke portrayed in Downton Abbey … the one’s I remember as a kid were mor like the one’s in Heartbeat … crude TV history but at least better than your phantom autocratic benefactors …

    Yes they have influence far above what we ‘ordinary’ people have. But so do many others in our society: politicians, academics, writers, film-makers, journalists, teachers.

    … and the others that you mention, generally have a higher education and understanding than the entreprenours and “suddenly rich” and are taken to task because of their professionalism by other professionals … in my family at least teachers are … I notice that religious “leaders” are absent from you “list” … the worst of all detractors from reality … and politicians are elected by the people – Clivey, Gina and Twiggy aren’t …

    We on the right don’t like monopolies either. Adam Smith warned us that “A monopoly granted either to an individual or to a trading company has the same effect as a secret in trade or manufactures. The monopolists, by keeping the market constantly understocked, by never fully supplying the effectual demand, sell their commodities much above the natural price, and raise their emoluments, whether they consist in wages or profit, greatly above their natural rate.”

    That was fkn Adam Smith … have you listened to the Gerry Harveys of this world as compared to the Dick Smiths … ToSY you are an idealist … you live (mentally at least) in the past … gouging, profiteering and challenging ineffective, under resourced, incompetent and lgislatively challenged regulators is all in the favour of Robber Barons who lie, cheat, decieve and manipulate the free market so much that it becomes a captive market NOT a free one … in fact in priciple Adam was right … the irony (for you) is that so many Robber Barons and politicians (of all shapes, colour, persuasions and nonsensical beiiefs) haven’t read or have deliberately ignored Adam Smith … who in theory is quite correct ….

    We also believe it is one of the legitimate roles of government to provide the necessary conditions for competition, and to act against monopolies.

    So do we on the left … pity governments of all persuasions don’t though …

    We freedom-loving types don’t have a position on whether Genie Rinehardt or Clive Palmer are trying to “monopolise our mineral assets”, but we don’t mind if they are

    Genie? Freedom loving? (and who starts most wars?) 😯

    But didn’t you just say that you believe monopolies should be controlled by government?

    The minerals are owned by all Australians not just Gina, Clivey and Twiggy … I don’t see other major mining companies “dabbling” in politics and public communication aimed at their own personal gain, unlike the individually owned, greedy, Robber Baron types – in fact the MRRT is aimed at sharing the mineral wealth, not necessarily equally … but at least equitably … just a slight difference …

    Not only are we confident the market, assisted by government where necessary, will prevent that, but we see their ambition as a positive thing. Adam Smith again: “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.”

    The royal we I see, (shakes head and sighs deeply) … I don’t see too many butchers and bakers trying to influence or take over political parties either … what rot!

    And how short a memory “we rightists” have … the GFC was caused by the very people that you admire … and who paid? The people … not the Robber Barons you so readily defend … Adam Smith would be most disappointed …

    BTW, ToSY, I just noticed the italics all over your post … how much of your post was plagiarised and how much was yours … or should we call you, ToSY Bear? 😉

    “Cause I do know you can think for yourself …

  98. June 5, 2012 5:20 pm

    Nice rant TB. 🙄 What fkn italics?

  99. June 5, 2012 5:39 pm

    Fuck me. TB’s turned into our very own Nasking!!!

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2012 5:55 pm

    in fact the MRRT is aimed at sharing the mineral wealth, not necessarily equally … but at least equitably

    What a load of crap..

    The mining tax is to try and balance the budget. Swan needs the money. It has got nothing to do with spreading the wealth.

    Doesn’t take much to fool some people.

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2012 6:30 pm

    Nice rant TB. What fkn italics?

    My Bad, re italics … try inverted commas … but the RANT was yours (or somebody else’s) … I just replied to it …

    Obviously a rant is by someone who disagrees with your posts …

    Fuck me. TB’s turned into our very own Nasking!!!

    As for The Farnham Bear … I suggest that award goes to the copying by the right wing ranters here … to give credit to Nasking at least he acknowledges that he’s actually pasting the shit, not making out that it’s his own work … and BTW, The Bear, copies and pastes … not much original content … a bit like our ToSY, these days … mores the pity … I simply replied to ToSY … para by para …

    Doesn’t take much to fool some people.

    Noddy, you are an ignorant little prick and always will be … if you don’t “earn much now” as you indicated in an earlier post … I can understand why … give Clivey a call he’ll tell ya what to do …

  102. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2012 6:34 pm

    So you really think Swan’s MRRT is for us?? Are you kidding?? To spread the wealth??

    It is to cover his reckless and wasteful spending of our hard earned tax dollars. The welfare of the people does not come into it.

  103. June 5, 2012 7:00 pm

    unfknblvbl…

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2012 7:09 pm

    So what tax bracket are you in, Noddy? (Do you even work?)

  105. Tony permalink
    June 5, 2012 7:22 pm

    ‘ to give credit to Nasking at least he acknowledges that he’s actually pasting the shit, not making out that it’s his own work … and BTW, The Bear, copies and pastes … not much original content … a bit like our ToSY, these days … mores the pity’

    Going senile TB? If I’ve quoted anyone above I’ve linked or attributed. Stop making shit up.

  106. June 5, 2012 7:28 pm

    I gotta say, I think Tony was using quotes to flesh out what I thought were pretty coherent & reasonable responses; even though I disagree with the thrust of some of it.

    I’ve never taken him for a shaynechester plagiarist. He’s eloquent & well read enough to have no need to plagiarise.

    * still a full of shit pjbot though 😆 (joking)

  107. June 5, 2012 7:31 pm

    Neil is in an ideological fantasyland all of his own…where evil Russian Scientists prowl his dreamscape, pursued by an evergreen JohnWinstonHowardsonofgod.

  108. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 7:34 pm

    It appears that Howes and the AWU are bucking the trend to unseat Gary Gray, this is good news. Julia is refraining, but if she intends throwing Gray to the wolves it will be a union blood bath.

    My intuition tells me that Howes is planning a coup to unseat Julia.

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:07 pm

    I think Tony was using quotes

    … and he was but whose? Am I discoursing with ToSY or who? … sticking … inverted commas ” … ” … here and there means diddly squat? If he’s so well read he should know how to reference material he’s using …

    Anyway … I agree ToSY is generally above that** … I just get sick of the right wing nonsense … I mean Noddy is only one rung down on most of the “made up” shit I read here … taliking about stroking each other … and they criticise the Cafe Sippers … astounding … I seem to be stuck in, Political Purgatory, at the moment … its no wonder you play the music you do, HD! I just wish I liked it so it would help me! BTW, I have all the Dune books (eg Harkonnen) …

    And if its coming across that I’m pissed off — I am this government is a shambles … but it has achievements … not advertised nor recognised nor understood (just read Noddy’s – no don’t) … the other mob is being held up as the saviours … and they are not… its just a bunch of nonsense ….

    **Plagiarism

  110. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:15 pm

    ‘but it has achievements … not advertised nor recognised nor understood ‘

    So true, I had a young lass in today to do some cleaning, I give her ten dollars an hour and the guvmint gives the other half. Everyone is happy. It’s a disgrace we don’t hear about it in the msm.

  111. June 5, 2012 8:16 pm

    “this government is a shambles … but it has achievements … not advertised nor recognised nor understood (just read Noddy’s – no don’t) … the other mob is being held up as the saviours … and they are not… its just a bunch of nonsense ….”

    Strongly agree.

    Dune was a cool series. The Baron was Ginaesque.

  112. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:25 pm

    I agree that barrackers of all persuasions should get real, take off the rose coloured glasses and see things as they are.

  113. Tony permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:26 pm

    ‘If he’s so well read he should know how to reference material he’s using …’

    What, like this?

    “I’ll see your Chomsky and raise you some Friedman:” (Plus link)

    Maybe that one was too subtle for ya TB. How about this one:

    “Adam Smith warned us that”

    Or this:

    “Adam Smith again:”

    You must have missed the link to JFK’s presidential address, too.

    It looks like you just read what you want to read. A pity really. You used to make some worthwhile contributions.

  114. June 5, 2012 8:31 pm

    … 😯

  115. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:33 pm

    Yes…TB has talent, yet encased in a restrictive belief system there are few opportunities for full expression.

  116. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:37 pm

    Tony is not generally above plagiarism. He is always above it. TB, you really should apologise for that. Disagree by all means. Even accuse him of using quotes that don’t support his argument (Adrian used to do that a bit). Your charge of plagiarism is self evidently wrong. It’s a serious charge on one who prides themselves on reasonable argument construction (the likes of Albanese aside) and shouldn’t be made lightly.

    You might be pissed off, TB, but you’re way off the mark.

    By the way, I recall a time when “anything” was better than Howard. Well it wasn’t. And if it was, then “anything and more” is better than Gillard, and that includes Abbott.

  117. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:38 pm

    Down at the cafe the other day there was talk of putting my private life in full glare and I inferred that if this happened I would have to relocate to Crapperville to avoid the odium.

    A blog war was about to break out….but thankfully diplomacy won.

  118. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:42 pm

    I’m with James, in my time here Tony’s contributions have been impeccable.

  119. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2012 8:59 pm

    “unfknblvbl…”

    Why?? How is this mining tax going to spread the wealth?? In Opposition Swan said Costello wasted the boom because he handed the money back as tax cuts or spent the money on middle class welfare. So what is Swan doing that is any different?? How is Swan going to spread this boom??

    By the way Costello ran three budget surpluses of $16B, $17B and $20B in his last three budgets during the mining boom which started in 2004. Costello saved $50B in his last three budgets. So Swan is telling lies when he said Costello wasted the boom. Swan is yet to save one cent.

  120. Tony permalink
    June 5, 2012 9:22 pm

    ‘With the success of what amounted to a trial run for the spacecraft — there were only a few minor problems during the mission, which began when the Dragon was launched atop a SpaceX rocket from Florida on May 22 — the company is now poised to begin regular supply missions, with much bigger payloads, to the space station later this year. Since the space shuttle program ended last year, the station has been resupplied by Russian and European spacecraft.’

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/science/space/first-spacex-dragon-cargo-flight-ends-with-a-splash.html?_r=1&ref=space

  121. June 5, 2012 9:52 pm

    ““anything and more” is better than Gillard, and that includes Abbott.”

    BULLSHIT!

  122. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:07 pm

    Bullshit yourself, Toilet. The Prime Minister has exceeded even Kevin Rudd for complete and utter disregard for truth and respect of the constituency. You may well hate Tony Abbott, and you wouldn’t be alone there, but the vast majority of the charges made against Abbott are either fabricated, confected, or deliberately overstated.

    Tell me, are you happy for this country to keep heading down the path it is? Because I can tell you, (hang on, let me just get my nappy) Greece is the destination. The Treasurer and Deputy PM stated today, seriously, that the interest rate cut was due to the Government’s fiscal management. Seriously. It’s propoganda to rival Kim Jong Il. The good news is that the vast majority of Australians aren’t quite that stupid and these fckwits will be out at the next election.

  123. JOHNWINSTONHOWARDSONOFSAM permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:20 pm

    Did someone resurrect me from my political grave?

    I was just talking to my friend Henry the Horse.

    He agrees

    This government is fucked

  124. June 5, 2012 10:26 pm

    I don’t think things are as bad as all that.

    Look around the world. This place is fucken Utopia. We are nowhere near as dire as most everywhere else.

    I also think this government isn’t that bad. Most of it is political soap opera & the only ones who get truly enraged about it are tragic rusted ons who are easily agitated by their disseminators anyways.
    It was bound to happen with a compromised minority government…& a large portion of the discontent amongst opponents is due to the fact that it has lasted this long without implosion, as shaky & abberant as it has been, rather than just yielding to the best external efforts of Abbottcorp to undermine it every step of the way.

    That’s what I reckon, for what it’s worth. 🙂

    * better head off to work now.

  125. June 5, 2012 10:27 pm

    I wouldn’t piss on you JOHN.

  126. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:42 pm

    ‘It was bound to happen with a compromised minority government…’

    Kevin would have told Brown he couldn’t have a CO2 tax, but Julia is a watermelon at heart and sold us out.

    A third of Labor’s supporters have deserted the party, probably for good.

  127. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:58 pm

    El Gordo

    Has Gillard moved the ALP away from its supporters or have the supporters moved away from the ALP.

    Big difference if they think a leadership change might help . It might not help if it’s the latter

  128. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2012 11:00 pm

    I appreciate your considered response, Tony. I guess I just don’t have unwavering faith in platitudes like “A rising tide lifts all boats.”

    Reality intervenes and if you look without the ideological blinkers, you see that the trickle down has actually been a trickle up.

    http://johnquiggin.com/2011/10/14/percentiles/

    …First, a closer look at income growth figures suggests that, while the 19 per cent have enjoyed rising incomes, they’ve only barely maintained their share of national income. The redistribution of the past three decades has gone from the bottom 80 per cent to the top 1 per cent…

    I know it’s inconvenient, but some keep forgetting about the failures and the inequities of capitalism. Remember the GFC, that was a giant tsunami that swamped all boats. What a bloody cheek to expect socialism to save them all from jumping out of the windows (as in the great depression). It is the poorer people are still paying for the extremes of capitalism (Greece, Turkey etc), First they have to bail out these giant liners floating on the high tide and then they pay in austerity measures. The wealthy, partying titanics have not been subjected to any control and they are back doing business as usual – floating high above the swamped boats and dead bodies littering the sea.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-noah/edward-conard-inequality_b_1551342.html

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 5, 2012 11:04 pm

    You may well hate Tony Abbott, and you wouldn’t be alone there, but the vast majority of the charges made against Abbott are either fabricated, confected, or deliberately overstated.

    What would those be?

  130. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 5, 2012 11:17 pm

    Most of those you make, Kittylitter.

  131. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 11:23 pm

    Oh come on sancty

    Poor li’l kitty……… Mouth + Butter = Boiling Butter

  132. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 11:24 pm

    OOops forgot

    LOL

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2012 12:11 am

    You may well hate Tony Abbott, and you wouldn’t be alone there, but the vast majority of the charges made against Abbott are either fabricated, confected, or deliberately overstated.

    The same could be said of Gillard.

    Most of those you make, Kittylitter.</i.

    Well it would be nice if you would back that statement up with some evidence, not just rattling something off and claiming it to be true.

    Suddenly Abbott is as pure as the driven snow, his complete and sordid political past appears to have been expunged from living memory.

  134. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 6, 2012 12:32 am

    Gillard’s many many crimes are in the public sphere and all can see them. Lie after lie about how she got the job, her past, her multiple broken promises to constituents etc.

    Pray tell what is Tony Abbott’s complete and sordid political past?

  135. el gordo permalink
    June 6, 2012 8:39 am

    ‘a leadership change might help’

    Indeed, but only if the incoming leader shelves the CO2 tax straight away and he tells the people the science is flawed.

    This type of charismatic personality would create a schism in the watermelon coalition and there is some doubt whether Labor can be reelected under its own steam.

  136. Tony permalink
    June 6, 2012 9:11 am

    The Nation: Assassin-in-Chief in the Oval Office

    ‘He and he alone can decide that assassinating known individuals isn’t enough and that the CIA’s drones can instead strike at suspicious “patterns of behavior” on the ground in Yemen or Pakistan. He can stop any attack, any killing, but there is no one, nor any mechanism that can stop him. An American global killing machine (quite literally so, given that growing force of drones) is now at the beck and call of a single, unaccountable individual. This is the nightmare the founding fathers tried to protect us from.’

  137. el gordo permalink
    June 6, 2012 9:37 am

    Peter Costello on the great moral issue of our time.

    ‘We keep hearing that Australians will cope with the carbon tax just as they coped with the GST. But there is a big difference. One had an economic purpose. The other does not. This carbon tax is not just the tax that will not speak its name. Now it is the tax that will not speak its purpose.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/labors-carbon-tax-is-enough-to-leave-you-speechless-20120605-1zu60.html#ixzz1wxtDTNM8

  138. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2012 10:56 am

    Look around the world. This place is fucken Utopia. We are nowhere near as dire as most everywhere else.”

    Maybe so. But Labors first 4 budgets gave us deficits of $-27B, -54B, -47B and -$44B. A total of $170B of debt in just 4 years. Luckily we started from a low base but we must have one of the highest rates of increase in the world.

    And how much longer can we keep running deficits like that??

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2012 11:50 am

    Yes, the government supporters might say that our level of debt remains low by international standards, but I’d be interested to know how high they think it should be.

  140. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 6, 2012 1:25 pm

    I’m tired of the comparison between us and the rest of the world. If that comparison is to be made, then it can equally be made of the Australian poor and the poor in Africa, or asylum seekers in Australia as compared with those of other nations, or indeed our human rights standards with those of the rest of the world.

    We regard our actions towards our disadvantaged by our own standards. We don’t consider it enough that they get enough soup of a Tuesday evening from a van to stop them starving, then say “well it’s not as bad as Somalia therefore we offer them no furter assistance”.

    We regard our actions towards asylum seekers also by our own standards. Whilst they might be deprived freedom, their living conditions are amongst the best in the world, and we still collectively would argue for an improvement at that basic level even if there are differences in other policy areas.

    We don’t say that women in this country have it better than Afghani women therefore there is no improvement to be had there.

    Our economy is the envy of the world, sure. But the rest of the world isn’t the standard. It’s own capability is the standard. Pissing money up against the wall on worthless ventures when it could be better used to, for instance, improve hospitals, roads, and all the other responsibilities (as opposed to desires) or government is the only measure that should count.

  141. JAWS permalink
    June 6, 2012 1:57 pm

    “Lie after lie about how she got the job, her past, her multiple broken promises to constituents etc.”

    What about her lies last week when she claimed she “knew nothing” about the EMA’s ?

    F**king Unbelievable

    She is a totally discredited bag of shit that now even lies to her backers………

  142. Tony permalink
    June 6, 2012 3:54 pm

    New York Soda Wars . . .

    James Lileks: ‘A culture that redefines food choices as moral issues will demonize the people who don’t share the tastes of the priest class. A culture that elevates eating to some holistic act of ethical self-definition – localvore, low-carbon-impact food, fair trade, artisanal cheese – will find the casual carefree choices of the less-enlightened as an affront to their belief system. Leave it to Americans to invent a Puritan strain of Epicurianism.’

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 4:21 pm

    A SPECIAL FARNHAM REPORT FOR JAMES

    Pray tell what is Tony Abbott’s complete and sordid political past?

    And more to follow ….

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 4:24 pm

    <b…. AND TONY'S POLITICAL PAST CONTINUES TO BLAST


  145. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 4:27 pm

    … AND IT JUST KEEPS COMING!


  146. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 4:34 pm

    … BUT WAIT … THERE’S MORE!

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 4:37 pm

    … SO WHERE DOES TONY ABBOTT STAND ON A CARBON TAX, AGAIN?


  148. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 4:47 pm

    TONY ABBOTT REALLY SHOULD GET A PARTNER AND GO INTO COMEDY – WONDER WHAT TIP CUSTARD IS DOING THESE DAYS?


  149. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 5:01 pm

    It really is one big joke … 🙄

  150. June 6, 2012 5:06 pm

    And still the Abbott laffs keep coming!

  151. el gordo permalink
    June 6, 2012 5:19 pm

    You two have been hanging out at the cafe too long, we can also produce Julia gaffs in abundance if you want to go this route.

    Let’s agree they are both hopeless politicians.

  152. el gordo permalink
    June 6, 2012 5:31 pm

    Stephen Smith is doing well on his first trip to China as Defence minister and tells the Communists we want to know your military hardware…they already know ours.

    This from Ben Packham in the Oz…

    ‘A new book – The Kingdom and the Quarry: China, Australia, Fear and Greed – reveals defence planners considered a China war scenario in which Australian submarines would help blockade Chinese trade routes and Chinese missiles could be fired at Australia in retaliation.

    ‘The public version of the white paper stopped short of declaring that a war with China was feared.

    ‘To avoid offending the Chinese, and to create a degree of deniability, discussion of possible future conflict relied on euphemisms such as a “major power adversary”.

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 6:03 pm

    Let’s agree they are both hopeless politicians.

    You may get the point, egg … but I’m a fraid your right wing colleagues don’t … just because I’m pissed off with the government doesn’t mean I’d vote for the other boofheads … ’tis truly a tragedy!

    I suspect my wee blo’masta, friend, is nae exactl`y chuffed neither (sic) … over the years we both put in a lot of key tapping to help oust, Howard & The Private School Bullies …. when that happened in 2007 … it really was, Time …

    … since then … the music’s died …

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2012 6:14 pm

    “Howard & The Private School Bullies

    You obviously do not like private schools. I went to state schools so i would not know what goes on in private schools.

    How has your vote for Labor in 2007 reduced private schooling which you hate so much???

  155. June 6, 2012 6:14 pm

    “just because I’m pissed off with the government doesn’t mean I’d vote for the other boofheads … ’tis truly a tragedy!”

    HEAR HEAR……!!!!!

  156. June 6, 2012 7:14 pm

    “I’m tired of the comparison between us and the rest of the world.”

    No doubt you are!…probably because when such things are put into context it makes all of the hyperbole & squirting about the current government sound rather hollow.
    Statements like this…”Tell me, are you happy for this country to keep heading down the path it is? Because I can tell you, (hang on, let me just get my nappy) Greece is the destination.”…for instance.

    So yeah, you’re right about that, get your nappy if you wanna squirt.

    They’re far from ideal, but the current government (in minority) is hardly as contemptible as the Bolter & others have trained you to repeat.

    That being said, I generally agree about the insidious nature of the carbon tax.

    Now, I’m not saying that the government will be reelected, or even that they don’t deserve to be shown the door, but the hyperbole regurgitated by Abbottlickerz is ridiculous. Anyone would think we lived in Uganda, the way you lot carry on!

    So, I reiterate…I don’t think things are as bad as all that.

    Look around the world. This place is fucken Utopia. We are nowhere near as dire as most everywhere else.

  157. el gordo permalink
    June 6, 2012 7:18 pm

    “just because I’m pissed off with the government doesn’t mean I’d vote for the other boofheads … ’tis truly a tragedy!”

    It’s not so bad, I feel no remorse having voted for the other boofheads. They are all much of a muchness….pathetic.

  158. June 6, 2012 7:21 pm

    True, el gordo.

    But I’d sooner shut my cock in a car door than vote for Abbott.

  159. el gordo permalink
    June 6, 2012 7:29 pm

    Would you vote for them if Talcum was running the show?

  160. June 6, 2012 7:35 pm

    “But I’d sooner shut my cock in a car door than vote for Abbott.”

    LOL!!!

  161. June 6, 2012 7:36 pm

    Probably not, because it would just be a veneer over the conservative/HRNichollsSociety/conservative stench.

    Intrinsically, you’re not really voting for the man, you’re voting for the Party & its deceits…just ask Kevin Rudd. 😉

    I prefer Turnbull’s smoother approach & blunted rhetoric, to be sure…but I don’t trust him as long as he’s manacled to that den of rancour.

    I won’t vote for either of the majors, possibly ever again. I fill out all of the boxes. It’s my best shot at putting socially conservative/religious/gunloving fucktards as close to the bottom as possible.

  162. June 6, 2012 7:38 pm

    Hmmmmm…

    I should go back & harvest the premature squirting of commenters here when they jumped for joy that the prostitute was gonna tell all.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/ex_prostitute_withdraws_claim_against_thomson/

  163. June 6, 2012 7:39 pm

    roflmao

    There but for the grace of god goes Andrew Bolt… 😆

  164. Tony permalink
    June 6, 2012 7:43 pm

    Gee. It looks like Thommo has been exonerated! It was all a Hate Media beat-up after all!

  165. June 6, 2012 7:47 pm

    Meh, the sex worker’s claim was always dubious from the start…

    Heck it was some 7 or 8 years ago.. She must’ve had s very good memory for faces, or Thomson’s “performance” was particularly memorable…….

  166. June 6, 2012 8:03 pm

    In the absence of actual insight, I still think he’s more likely guilty than not.

    That wasn’t my point & you know it.

    My point was to highlight the ease with which the politically aligned will swallow the narrative…& that it is fraught.

  167. June 6, 2012 8:04 pm

    * was a response to ToSY’s sarc

  168. Tony permalink
    June 6, 2012 8:05 pm

    😉

  169. Tony permalink
    June 6, 2012 8:32 pm

    And to all the wine snobs who were bagging beer on that other thread: I’m just tasting a Russian Imperial Stout*. As enjoyable an experience as any wine I’ve ever tasted.

    *Look it up. 😉

  170. el gordo permalink
    June 6, 2012 8:43 pm

    ‘I won’t vote for either of the majors, possibly ever again.’

    A pox on both their houses is not a bad option, but on the big day I’m prepared to be wooed.

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 8:46 pm

    So the prostitute not only demonstrates the silliness of TV channels paying for info (akin to the value of waterboarding info) … she woke up to where she could end up after “discussions” with the police for an hour and her lawyer’s advice … perjury is never pleasant … be the “lady” also demonstrated the priciple of “reasonable doubt” and how easily it can be manipulated …

    Phrase of the week goes to, HD!

    “But I’d sooner shut my cock in a car door than vote for Abbott.”

    I had to wipe my eyes after reading that … then I thought … woe, what a walloper!

  172. June 6, 2012 8:51 pm

    “woe, what a walloper!”

    I get that sort of response all the time….! 😉

  173. Bacchus permalink
    June 6, 2012 8:53 pm

    😆 Only in your dreams Reb 😉

  174. June 6, 2012 8:57 pm

    Damn you Bacchus… and your so called “facts” … 😉

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 9:02 pm

    I get that sort of response all the time….!

    I’d say that’s probably referring to something you said rather than physical “prowess”, sreb … either that or its not actually walloper they’re saying … 😆

  176. June 6, 2012 9:25 pm

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm….beeeeeeeeeeeeer….mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  177. June 6, 2012 9:27 pm

    (_X_)

  178. June 7, 2012 7:36 pm

    I just wanted to say… FUCK ALL OF THIS ROYAL JUBILEE SHIT!…what sort of fucktards still get excited by homage payments to an irrelevant monarchy?!

  179. el gordo permalink
    June 7, 2012 7:56 pm

    I agree with the boss, anyone who supports the monarchy over a republic is brain dead.

  180. June 7, 2012 8:04 pm

    😉

  181. June 8, 2012 11:11 am

    It’s amusing to watch the talking heads railing against two olympians who posed for a photograph holding guns in a gun shop. The two have broken no laws, so the pundits in question are making moral judgements. Fkn moralising moralisers.

  182. JAWS permalink
    June 8, 2012 11:32 am

    Yeah

    I think it’s a beatup as well. But I’m still very uneasy about having that cnut Darcy on the team at all.

    All very convenient to have your father start bankruptcy proceedings against you so you don’t need to make a court ordered payout.

    I certainly wont be cheering for the maggot.

  183. June 8, 2012 11:42 am

    This is the kind of smug language I’m referring to . . .

    ‘SAMANTHA DONOVAN: The photo of the two swimmers shows a smirking Nick D’Arcy holding two handguns. Kenrick Monk is smiling beside him holding two bigger weapons crossed in front of his chest.’

    Smirking? And smiling? For a camera? Unheard of!

    The ABC ‘reporter’ then brings up the bankruptcy story you’re referring to, JAWS, plus a previous incident involving Monk and a skateboard. Both are completely irrelevant to this ‘incident’, except in building a case that the two are not of good character: character assasination, in other words.

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3520840.htm

  184. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2012 12:18 pm

    This is the kind of smug language I’m referring to . . .

    Out of the mouths of babes 😯

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2012 12:32 pm

    While the dickheads here go on the rampage … a shooting yesterday over road rage …

    Limiting the ownership of weapons has really helped (sarc alert) now all the wankers who have illegal weapons know most of us don’t have one … how clever is that!

    Back in the bad days before Port Arthur … no-one knew who had a weapon … or who didn’t …

    Now they do …

    As for the photo … I don’t like either of the wankers in it … but the beat up about weapons always annoys me … correct weapons training should be part of the final year in every high school … along with defensive driving courses …

  186. JAWS permalink
    June 8, 2012 12:40 pm

    “Limiting the ownership of weapons has really helped (sarc alert) now all the wankers who have illegal weapons know most of us don’t have one … how clever is that!”

    Which has probably ben caused by slashing the budget of a certain government department charged with protecting our borders. That department being called Customs.

    The Lefties dont really care too much about borders whether in relation to people or weapons or drugs making unscheduled arrivals.

  187. June 8, 2012 3:09 pm

    ‘SAMANTHA DONOVAN: Nick D’arcy was dropped from the Beijing Olympic team after being charged with assaulting swimmer Simon Cowley in a 2008 brawl. He got a 14 month suspended jail sentence for the attack. And he later had himself declared bankrupt to avoid paying Cowley nearly $400,000 in damages.’

    Hmm. Perhaps he didn’t have $400,000 and was forced into bankruptcy. There are plenty of people twice his age who would have to do the same thing.

  188. JAWS permalink
    June 8, 2012 3:59 pm

    His father bankrupted him ToSY as it was his father who lent the son the money to pay his own lawyers.

    When he lost the case the father bankrupted the son to firewall him against the damages.

  189. June 8, 2012 4:23 pm

    I thought I’d seen that pose somewhere before. I blame ‘popular’ ‘culture’.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/gallery-e6frer9f-1225761159261?page=1

  190. June 9, 2012 10:07 am

    Zombie Bullets In High Demand Following Flesh-Eating Attacks

    http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/06/07/zombie-bullets-in-high-demand-following-flesh-eating-attacks/

  191. June 9, 2012 6:08 pm

    I hate olympians. I could give a fuck or not whether they’re posing with guns. But yeah, considering the ‘scale’ of the misdemeanour (ie. it doesn’t even register) the clamour from the moral majority is senseless.

    As usual, gunloving TB is sooooo wrong about arming the population. 🙂

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2012 6:14 pm

    Worked pretty well for the Swiss and Finns … the UK has no problem with it nor does Canada … you still don’t get it HD, people kill … should we remove cars off our roads?

    Drivers kill more ordinary folk than guns … in fact your music probably causes more harm than guns … 🙄

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2012 6:17 pm

    When I was posting on the CO2 thread and mentioned Russia, and it struck me …

    … I haven’t heard ANYONE talk about the impact of the GFC on Russia … nor the present EU crises … odd …

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2012 6:18 pm

    BTW, HD, did you say I was … wrong? Hush yo’ mouf, boy! 😦

  195. Meta permalink
    June 9, 2012 6:31 pm

    (Ralph Nader believes in crosstraining. Do you?)

  196. June 9, 2012 6:40 pm

    “in fact your music probably causes more harm than guns …”

    What utter crap!

    🙄

    * I so don’t want to start calling you a squirter over this, TB

  197. June 9, 2012 6:44 pm

    That would be about the music and the yearning for civil gun toting.

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2012 6:50 pm

    Meta … not sure of the link your making (that’s not unusual for my limited intellect) but I’m well aware of the deliberate design changes in motor vehicles … as a Service Engineer and later a Zone (Dealer) Service Manager, I was heavily involved with ADR*s in the ’70’s and 80’s … from the removal of shiny chrome bumpers and fixtures, bonnet icons (that ripped pedestrians apart), crumple panels, seat belts (yep they haven’t always been there), engines designed to slide under the subframe on impact, monocoque construction … coupled with the stupidity of drivers and the consequences of their actions … you cannot remove the smell of a dead person from a motor vehicle … however much you try …

    As with vehicles, shooters/drivers need to understand the weapon they are operating and that it can KILL … they need to know how to safely handle, service and operate the equipment … in ALL situations … if they are trained properly, lives will be saved … the mad person will always find any weapon and use it … no matter what the rest of us do … BUT if people are trained in how weapons operate … they then have a chance to save themselves and their loved ones …

    How many times did Martin Bryant load his weapons? … loading weapons is when any “combatant” is most vulnerable … properly trained – people could be in a position to save themselves … particularly when the shooter has no rounds in the weapon …

    As for cross training … I’m also a retired production manager … cross training is how a production line survives … of course I do …

    * Australian Design Rules

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2012 6:51 pm

    Oh dear … sreb’ll be here soon … YOU’RE … OK!

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2012 7:04 pm

    What utter crap!

    LOL!

    I so don’t want to start calling you a squirter over this, TB

    Why would I be a “squirter” weapons don’t bother me? The crims running around do … especially because they are literally “squirters” …

    By that I mean … er … watch a a professional soldier fire a semi-automatic weapon and then watch a “rebel/insurgent/terrorist” … plenty of vision on TV and Youtube …

    Professional soldiers are taught to aim and fire a short burst – generally from the shoulder – better “hits” … rebels genrally fire from the hip and squirt rounds all over the place …

    … that squirting is what the crims are doing all over the country (because they know no-one will shoot back!) … innocent people (including children) have already been hit in the crossfire …

    … take away the certainty and I bet the crims drive-by shootings will decrease …

    … you don’t have to have a weapon …

    … but right now only the bad guys have ’em …

    … have you ever called the police to an emergency? They are good but often seconds count … minutes make it too late …

    There have been two shooting deaths within 2Km of my home in the last six months … a first … and I’ve lived here for 28 years …

  201. June 9, 2012 7:07 pm

    I am cross trained & multi-skilled & you are right, it makes the place much more efficient (with the added bonus of warding off the brainrot which results from being stuck performing only one role).

    On guns though, am I to believe that the unfortunate victims in the Broad Arrow Cafe should have all gone out for the day packing heat on the off chance that a homicidal maniac with an arsenal might show up to cold bloodedly smite everyone?
    Sorry, TB, but we’re probably never gonna see eye to eye on that. Better agree to disagree. 🙂

  202. June 9, 2012 7:17 pm

    I should note that I’m not against training people in the safe use of firearms, that is wise. I’m against every individual having an arsenal in their home whcih they have no need for.

    Bein the eternal pessimist that I am…I look around me & see people everyday who aren’t in control of their emotions & compulsions, can’t control their temper, are slaves to their irrational anger & have short fuses.
    I think that having ready access to firearms makes it far too easy for such individuals to do great harm with little effort. Any fool can pull a trigger.
    I think that there are more ‘decent’ people in the population than criminals or psycopaths…but, of those, many, many of them aren’t in control of themselves enough for me to want them to have access to lethal force.

    Put simply, the psychological deterrent which you are claiming via citizen armament isn’t enough to balance the darker possibilities in my mind.

  203. Tony permalink
    June 9, 2012 7:29 pm

    An interesting insight into the Queensland legal system (via Tim Blair).

    http://www.justinian.com.au/storage/pdf/Daubney_R_Baker.pdf

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2012 7:46 pm

    … am I to believe that the unfortunate victims in the Broad Arrow Cafe should have all gone out for the day packing heat

    No, absolutely not!

    But I know that a gunman can be challenged and defeated (without weapons) and when … and the “cross training” that, Meta, referred to gives me an advantage (sure my age and agility might be a factor but my training and experience gives me some advantage) …

    … my argument is this … if some young turkey decides to take me on in my home (ie he’s attempting robbery) … right now he (and his mates) know the chances I’m armed are pretty slim … because of the gun laws (a gun is a big bugger that fires shells, BTW) … in the past the bad guys were never sure …

    … isn’t enough to balance the darker possibilities in my mind.

    And I understand your point of view, from our many mutual posts, but with all due respect, my friend … they are in “your” mind … my mind says I’d like any means possible to defend my family (and me) … your concerns are catered for … mine aren’t …

    … and by the way, have you checked the length of our coastline lately? … why do you think Switzerland had compulsory National Service with a rifle in every man’s home after WWII … (and BTW they kept the rifle after discharge) … Asia will become the Europe of the 1940’s in the next decade … you’ve experienced you’re experiencing the GFC right now (1930’s) …

    ‘Tis Group Dynamics … writ large … (a reminder: Forming, Storming, Norming, Performing, Adjourning) … consider where the EU is right now and then consider where Asia is …

    The one sure thing about society … it’s predictable … using rules and more particularly …history … (it astounds me that human history continually repeats itself) ..

    As an example simply check out the military history of the Gallipoli Peninsula … where supposedly our own national “development” began … the history of that particular part of the world stretches over centuries …

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2012 7:58 pm

    An interesting insight into the Queensland legal system (via Tim Blair).

    The legal system in Queensland … why, Queensland? Is Victoria different in some way … don’t they have a similar legal system there? Or would the accused have been removed and hung at dawn? Or is it that you have never attended court personally, ToSY … or simply rely on The Telegraph for all you titilation these days …

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2012 8:08 pm

    In fact, HD, with, ToSY, posting, it struck me that he advocates “small government” (as a right whingeer) … meaning relaxing banks and business regulation of course … but it was Howard’s government, a right whinge government, playing politics, that brought in the Draconian Gun Laws … so its alright to control the masses but not, The Robber Barons?

    Maybe, ToSY, agrees … that small government means relaxing the gun laws too? What, say, ToSY?

  207. June 9, 2012 8:09 pm

    squirt, squirt, squirt, squirt

    🙂

  208. June 9, 2012 8:12 pm

    I’m almost certain that ToSY & you are on the same page with regard to idiotic armament gun laws, TB.

  209. June 9, 2012 8:15 pm

    And, yeah, I know that rifles aren’t ‘guns’, they’re fkn rifles.

    I do have extensive experience handling firearms, TB.

    For home defense, I have 2 swords on my wall & a nightstick under my bed.

  210. el gordo permalink
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    I once fired a Bren gun…it moves forward.

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