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Majority of Australians want Carbon Tax Scrapped.

June 5, 2012

A shocking new poll has found that a majority of Australians now oppose putting a price on carbon and support Coalition plans to scrap the carbon tax.

Despite the promise of government “famliy assistance” cash-handouts, sixty-three per cent of Australians now say they’re against the introduction of a fixed price on carbon, leading to an emissions trading scheme, and 57 per cent say they’re in favour of coalition plans to scrap the tax altogether.

The findings represent a dramatic turnaround in public sentiment with regards to climate change. In 2007 over 60 per cent of Australians supported government moves to take action on climate change however support has waned ever since Kevin Rudd failed to garner multi-lateral support at the failed Copenhagen Summit.

The new survey of 1005 Australian adults also indicated a majority support temporary skilled migration to fill labour shortages.

The Gillard government imploded last week after it was revealed that Immigration Minister Chris Bowen agreed to deal allowing multi-billionaire Gina Rinehart’s Hancock Prospecting to import some 1700 overseas workers for her Roy Hill iron ore mine in Western Australia.

The move angered Unions who cited thousands of local job losses in recent months.

According to the survey, eighty-one per cent were against foreign companies buying Australian farmland, while 56 per cent thought the government was allowing too much Chinese investment in Australia.

 

 

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  1. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2012 9:47 am

    The PM promised not to introduce the carbon tax. A majority of the electorate voted against the tax and have been against it ever since it was introduced.

    This is a perversion of democracy.

    Now the government gloats about the fact that they have made the tax extremely difficult to repeal.

    This totalitarian abomination will be cited as a precedent by future fascists who seek to impose their will in spite of the people.

  2. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:00 am

    Watch as TomR rides in from stage Left and announces that the Poll is irrelevant because what has actually been introduced is a “Carbon Price”.

  3. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:02 am

    “………The new survey of 1005 Australian adults also indicated a majority support temporary skilled migration to fill labour shortages………….”

    Yet Gillard manages with the skills of a a feral alchemist to turn policy gold into policy shit

  4. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:18 am

    It was odd to hear that Scottish accented union chieftain Senator Cameron denounce Chinese workers. The White Australia Policy is well and truly alive in the union movement from whence it sprung.

  5. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:24 am

    ‘LABOR would never use its votes to help an Abbott government repeal the carbon tax, meaning the Coalition would probably have to go to a double dissolution election to abolish it and the tax would operate well into a first term, the Climate Change Minister, Greg Combet, vowed yesterday.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/carbon-tax-is-here-to-stay-says-combet-20120604-1zs9l.html#ixzz1wsDjDBm5

    A DD election would see the annihilation of Labor, never to rise again. How many labor members would purposely destroy themselves and the party over some theoretical science?

  6. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:36 am

    That sort of attitude is just part of Combet’s DNA. His arrogance abounds as could be seen when he was involved in the Patricks dispute.

    Defending the indefensible

  7. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:41 am

    On the Chinese question, let them in and they will turn a large desert island into a science fiction paradise.

    North of the Brisbane line…

  8. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 11:50 am

    The Chinese are keen to do some Terraforming…. in practice for the colonisation of Mars.

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2012 12:03 pm

    I think it is less contentious to call it something other than a tax. Apparently.

    It’s a carbon ‘levy’, ‘excise, ‘duty’, ‘charge’ or ‘licence fee’. It’s anything but a tax.

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2012 3:24 pm

    The new survey of 1005 Australian adults ..

    Bugger me! What a massive cohort! Out of 14 million adult population … (yeah, I studied statistics too)

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2012 3:45 pm

    North of the Brisbane line…

    Thank goodness I live in Brisbane then … 救援

    (Wonder how many know what the The Brisbane Line actually was? (I guess there’s always Google)

    I watched “Long Tan The True Story” while I had lunch, why The Battle of Long Tan has not been made into a blockbuster movie yet is beyond me …. surely someone like Russell Crowe and/or Bryan Brown and/or Hugh Jackman have contacts and capital as individuals or collectively to produce one of the epic battles of Vietnam and the Australian Army

  12. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 4:01 pm

    The History Channel had a go at a doco which was reasonably informative.

    But a Vietnam Movie ?

    No international appeal I spose…………………..and already done with Apoco Now……………Deerhunter……….Platoon…………….Good Morning Vietnam………………………Odd Angry Shot …………………..and dare I say

    Go Tell the Spartans…………..LOL

  13. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 4:03 pm

    “No international appeal I spose……”

    By the way TB if you ever get to Vietnam you’ll find that very few of them are even aware that Oz was part of it. It is overwhelmingly portrayed as the gallant North against the Evil US of A

  14. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 4:04 pm

    It would be a rather strange Brisbane Line with a few thousand US Marines parked at Darwin

  15. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 4:29 pm

    At some point we’ll have to tell our American allies to hop, commercial considerations will dominate.

    The New Brisbane Line might be a very fast Chinese train to West Oz.

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2012 4:42 pm

    A few reports are emerging about the cost blowouts that are likely in NBN construction, due to industrial relations and union demands.

    The reports are likely to gather momentum during the next 18 months. The timing in the lead up to the election should be interesting.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2012 4:54 pm

    No international appeal I spose…………………..and already done with Apoco Now……………Deerhunter……….Platoon…………….Good Morning Vietnam………………………Odd Angry Shot …………………..and dare I say

    All shit movies … I’m sure you agree … Wally …

    … Long Tan is about 108 Aussies (a company) and mostly Nashos … holding off two battalions, 2000 soldiers of VN Regulars (not VC guerillas) … that’s odds of 20:1 … overwhelming …

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2012 5:01 pm

    Do you blokes, understand the word innuendo (and no its no Spanish for “up yer arse”)

    This sort of post really pisses me off …

    A few reports are emerging about the cost blowouts that are likely in NBN construction, due to industrial relations and union demands.

    Who, where, when , why, how, what! (I heard on the grapevine that there will be a leadership challenge in the Liberal meeting on Friday, too)

    The reports are likely to gather momentum during the next 18 months. The timing in the lead up to the election should be interesting.

    Who says? Predicting 18 months ahead too! That Crack’d Liberal Party Crystal Ball is out again must be v.2.0 but doesn’t seem to be much better …

    Talk about scuttlebullshit!

  19. Bacchus permalink
    June 5, 2012 5:05 pm

    Talk about scuttlebullshit!

    Don’t worry about it TB – it’s just the Liberal minions laying the groundwork for future attacks – watch this space 😉

  20. el gordo permalink
    June 5, 2012 5:15 pm

    Polling has shown there is a strong desire by Coalition voters to get rid of the government, nothing unusual in that, but ‘the carbon tax is also a strong theme and is mentioned by many respondents, of all political persuasions.

    ‘Whatever the government says, there is a widespread anticipation that the carbon tax is already causing problems.’

  21. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 5:15 pm

    I would just like to go on the record as saying ……

    …..” the NBN is a waste of money”

    Could we have a new Thread on the NBN ?

    🙂

  22. JAWS permalink
    June 5, 2012 5:23 pm

    “… Long Tan is about 108 Aussies (a company) and mostly Nashos … holding off two battalions,………”

    TB

    One of my brother in law’s was involved in Vietnam and heavily involved in this little “fireworks display” as he calls it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Coral-Balmoral

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2012 5:28 pm

    Heavens TB, you must spend a high proportion of your time ‘pissed off’, if commentary on legitimate political issues bothers you so much.

    Here are a few facts-
    Contractors put their bids in on the basis of their experience in rolling out Telstra infrastructure.
    Agreements reached have shorter hours and higher rates.
    Agreements reached with the principal weren’t past on to subcontractors, until now.
    Manning practices on ‘safety’ issues have become more inefficient because of higher industrialisation.

    Now I realise this may frustrate you, but you’ll find these issues will cause cost increases, and that will attract media and political attention.

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2012 5:55 pm

    Heavens TB, you must spend a high proportion of your time ‘pissed off’, if commentary on legitimate political issues bothers you so much.

    The problem with you ToM … is that you make so much stuff up who knows what yourr posting … you never link anything and most of it is wishful thinking … I’m too OLD to listen people who BELIEVE without questioning WHY they believe …

    Now I realise this may frustrate you, but you’ll find these issues will cause cost increases, and that will attract media and political attention.

    Mate, nothing frustrates me more than speculation based on possibles, its like predicting the markets at the moment … and you just might be right (wrong) … BTW the unions BOO! “safety” issues is very 20th Century these days, covered by state/Federal legislation* …

    If you want to see some really innovative legislation check out the new Federal Consumer Protection Legislation by the ALP Government …

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2012 10:03 pm

    Heavens TB, you have become grumpy.

    You consider it your right to wax lyrical about any issue that pops into your head, but also consider it your right to attack anyone else who posts a view on subjects they know about.

    Cheer up, things aren’t really that grim.

  26. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    June 6, 2012 1:11 am

    I always found the concept of introducing a “carbon tax” absurd policy. Here you had one group who insisted the “debate” was over before it ever really happened saying “now lets pass a tax”. Just highlighted all that is wrong with the political class I am afraid..

    When you can’t answer or refuse to discuss even the most basic of questions, insult those with opposing views, demonize etc, just rubs the electorate the wrong way…Anybody who follows politics knows that once such a policy is put in place it always, always mutates into another type of monster…

  27. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    June 6, 2012 1:20 am

    I have noticed that Australia’s policies really do mirror a lot of our own; especially in the case of “cheap labor”…I am not a fan of Unions but in this case, they are right to be frustrated or concerned…It is simple math for the mining industry, if they can find people who will “do jobs nobody else will do” code for lower wages, they will…The developing world is a bonanza of cheap labor! People looking for not only work but a change of address. THERE IS NOT SUCH THING AS TEMPORARY WORKER…such a farce; globalism.

    The fact you have a government trying to rationalize this decision with plenty of folks capable of such work on the dull is a disgrace…Same story here…Again, as I have said many times before, whenever you have right-wing fiscal policies in line with left-wing social policies it is always to the disadvantage of the majority.

  28. public toilet permalink
    June 6, 2012 4:39 am

    Wise words.

  29. el gordo permalink
    June 6, 2012 9:13 am

    Sparta is correct about the introduction of the CO2 tax…its an ‘absurd policy’.

  30. June 6, 2012 9:51 am

    “The problem with you ToM…is that you make so much stuff up who knows what yourr posting”

    I think you mean “you’re”….

    Just sayin… 😉

  31. JAWS permalink
    June 6, 2012 9:57 am

    “…..whenever you have right-wing fiscal policies in line with left-wing social policies it is always to the disadvantage of the majority. “

    Or to put it another way whenever you have a conservative middle class taxation system and socialist spending practices you always end up in fiscal deficit.

  32. JAWS permalink
    June 6, 2012 10:45 am

    “Cheer up, things aren’t really that grim.”

    Easy for you to say………………

    You don’t have to look in his mirror every day……………………….LOL

    And things are pretty bad when you are so old that people allow you to walk around all day with your zip undone just because they know they are safe because “dead birds never fall out of their nest anyway.”

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2012 11:57 am

    Nice to see you here Sparta.

    There are 2 problems with the carbon tax-
    1. It’s set at a level completely out of sync with the international market. It is therefore a handbrake on competitiveness of industry.
    2. It’s created a generation of political cynics because it’s based on a political lie.

  34. el gordo permalink
    June 6, 2012 12:03 pm

    The premise on which its based is flawed, this particular trace gas is not a pollutant and should not be taxed.

  35. JAWS permalink
    June 6, 2012 1:42 pm

    The real indictment of this pathetic rabble of a government led by this national embarassment of a PM is that she cant even name the full list of 500 polluters yet.

    How the f**k is any business supposed to pass on its costs when it does not know if it will be hit and for how much ?

    And its not just businesses. It’s friggin local council dumps for fucksake.

    It’s just an f**king unbelievable way to run an economy.

    But somehow typical of these trade union dominated criminals

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 2:00 pm

    I think you mean “you’re”….

    Chuckle, chuckle, Jummy! 😛

    Sparta!!!!! Whos been sending emails then? Just askin” 😉

    Perhaps if we called the Carbon Tax an Environment Tax or a Humanity Tax or an Equity Tax … or a WGAF Tax …

    No-one on this website would wantit simply becaue it came from the government …

  37. el gordo permalink
    June 6, 2012 3:44 pm

    ‘Perhaps if we called the Carbon Tax an Environment Tax or a Humanity Tax or an Equity Tax … or a WGAF Tax …’

    A tax by any other name is still a tax.

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2012 4:08 pm

    A tax by any other name is still a tax.

    … er that was my point, egg …. governments have been taxing people for centuries …. just ’cause its called a tax not a levy (isn’t what the last government called a “temporary” tax?) … if it was called a Energy Relief Tax it might be more descriptive …

    Let me simplify it … power prices will RISE (personally I suspect a scam anyway), with or without a carbon Tax … at least some of the folk on the poverty line (and some over. methinks) and fixed incomes will gain a little respite at least …

    What astounds me, is the number of ordinary people in the 21st Century who purport to defend massive corporations as those same corporations slowly destroy society …

    … I walked along the banks of the, Fly River, after, BHPB, mined, Ok Tedi, for copper … when I asked the mine manager where the top of the mountain had actually gone, he replied in his Canadian drawl, “Down the Fly TB, down the Fly” … down the, Fly, alright destroyed people’s livelihoods, food source and families … if I recall there was a Four Corners exposé …

    At least BHPB admitted the tailings dam had not been to their usual “standard” and have paid some compensation …

  39. el gordo permalink
    June 6, 2012 4:33 pm

    All Australians were angry at the Ok Tedi abuse and hopefully everyone will get full compensation…I won’t hold my breath.

    With the tax on a harmless trace gas, the people smell a scam and want to stop the tax before it gets started on July 1. It’s the only hope of saving Labor from electoral disaster, but if Julia continues to hold the reins to the end…

    After a landslide victory for the conservative forces, it would be foolhardy in the extreme to go to a double dissolution election. The people will not be amused and will wipe the watermelon coalition from the political landscape.

  40. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2012 1:25 pm

    The 63% of Australians who say they are against the legislation were presented with three statements and asked ‘whether you agree or disagree it is a reason why you personally are against the legislation’. Half the population (52%) oppose the legislation and agree it ‘it will result in job losses’. Thirty-eight per cent say ‘it is not necessary to act before other countries’. However, a third of the population oppose the legislation and say it does not go far enough, with 33% agreeing ‘the measures are not strict enough to result in substantial emissions reductions’

    http://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/lowy-institute-poll-2012-public-opinion-and-foreign-policy

    So 33% (of the 63%?) Want the mechanism to be stricter!!

    Not exactly the way the finding were presented, are they?

    Wonder what their attitude to “Take Labors Carbon Price or the libs direct inaction’ would be?? Cos they are the choices.

  41. el gordo permalink
    June 7, 2012 3:09 pm

    ‘So 33% (of the 63%?) Want the mechanism to be stricter!!’

    Watermelons are politically irrelevant and Minchin will see Abbott clear of this mess.

  42. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2012 3:24 pm

    Watermelons are politically irrelevant

    Except when you want them to use as numbers to represent something they obviously don’t 😉

  43. June 7, 2012 3:59 pm

    Yeah, Nick Minchin…. What a complete and utter fucking cunt that prick is guy. 🙄

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2012 4:40 pm

    Howard found that a strong economy didn’t save him in 2007, he was dumped because people though he was dishonest.

    The ALP was elected because they promised transparency and integrity. They deliberately raised public expectations.

    Then Gillard knifed Rudd because the government had lost its way.

    The public now takes economic strength as a given, it’s been doing so since Howard got the boot, and it makes its electoral judgments on political honesty. Duplicity isn’t tolerated, fair enough too. Gillard is finding this out.

  45. el gordo permalink
    June 7, 2012 4:48 pm

    In his own defence…

    “I’m one who does agree with someone like Bjorn Lomborg that we need to put a lot of effort into really good research and development into alternative energy so that one day there will be a transition from fossil fuels to other sources of energy, but let’s make sure we do that in an effective, a cost-effective way that is not going to impoverish people all over the world.’

    Nick Minchin

  46. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2012 4:52 pm

    If the good economic figures persist then the government deserves some credit. They really need to lift their game now, lay off the name calling and focus on their achievements. And this is an achievement. I wonder if they have the maturity to do that or if their juvenile habit of spiteful name-calling has become too ingrained.

  47. June 7, 2012 4:58 pm

    Eg,

    If you’re taking your lead from Nick Minchin, you seriously need help.

    Or should that be Nick “there is no causal link between smoking and lung cancer” Minchin, or Nick “homosexuality is a mental illness” Minchin…

    🙄 🙄 🙄

  48. June 7, 2012 5:06 pm

    “They really need to lift their game now, lay off the name calling and focus on their achievements. And this is an achievement. I wonder if they have the maturity to do that or if their juvenile habit of spiteful name-calling has become too ingrained.”

    The same could be said for the Opposition.

    In fact if they have any sense of “maturity” (which I seriously doubt given past form) they will now refrain from talking the economy down – especially with their “sovereign risk” bullshit – and start presenting tangible alternative policies…

    But that might just involve a bit of “hard work” an alien concept to macho man Abbott.

  49. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2012 5:16 pm

    The same could be said for the Opposition. Clearly they haven’t got a clue. Their response to the new figures has been abysmal. This is a chance for the ALP to regain some respect. I hope they rise to the challenge. I’m sick of kicking them and I’m sick of having such a hopeless opposition.

  50. el gordo permalink
    June 7, 2012 5:18 pm

    ‘…you seriously need help.’

    Unquestionably…

    Minchin may have weird views on some subjects like gays, but Abbott and Gillard are not far removed.

    He is a major powerbroker and will determine the future of Australian politics, assuming Labor loses in a landslide.

  51. June 7, 2012 5:31 pm

    “He is a major powerbroker and will determine the future of Australian politics”

    Oh how we laughed and laughed …. 🙂 🙂 🙂

    (I’ll have whatever drugs el gordo’s on…..) 😉

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2012 5:41 pm

    He is a major powerbroker and will determine the future of Australian politics …

    If he is, then we all have reason to be concerned …

  53. June 7, 2012 7:24 pm

    Minchin IS THE EPITOME of a reality detached RightwingNutjob.

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2012 7:29 pm

    HD, I think you mean the Leader of … a bunch of reality detached RightwingNutjob.

    He is not alone!

  55. June 7, 2012 7:32 pm

    AGREED!

    El Gordo is SERIOUSLY DELUDED!

    (Not that there’s anything wrong with that…)

    Or is there….?

  56. el gordo permalink
    June 7, 2012 8:06 pm

    Alright, if Minchin gets the job as boss of the Liberal Party machine and Abbott gets elected as PM in a landslide, Minchin will be the driving force of Australian politics for a decade.

    Coming from Labor’s left there is no joy in any of this for me, the ALP was my party.

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2012 3:05 pm

    Apparently Kathy Jackson has sacked her lawyers!

    Kathy Jackson sacks her lawyers= Craig Thomson must have no case to answer.

    Anything Jackson does, is further proof that Thomson didn’t-
    • Spend union money on prostitutes
    • Use union funds to pay for non business trips for his then wife
    • Make huge cash withdrawals from the union account
    • Publicly provide various conflicting stories to explain his actions
    • Decline to co-operate with law enforcement authorities on the grounds of self incrimination

    Clearly we should withhold our judgement on Craig (an MP), because he’s only got almost 200 adverse findings against him by an independent statutory authority. But we should reflect harshly on Kathy, because she’s not an MP, and she doesn’t have any findings against her.

  58. Bacchus permalink
    June 8, 2012 3:23 pm

    This fellow seems to have something worthwhile to say on your topic Reb…

    We face a remarkable period in history. The centre of gravity of the world economy seems to be shifting eastwards – towards us – perhaps even faster than some of the optimists had expected. Granted, that is partly because the relative importance of Europe seems to be shrinking, perceptibly, under the weight of its internal problems. But even if the Europeans manage the immediate problems well, there is no mistaking the long run trend.

    That this comes just as a very unusual period for household behaviour in Western advanced countries (including Australia) has ended, has been a remarkably fortuitous combination for Australia. Certainly it means we have the challenge of adjusting our behaviour and our expectations to new drivers for growth and new imperatives for responsiveness, but we do so with growing incomes, low unemployment and exposure to Asia. That is infinitely preferable to the sorts of adjustments that seem to be the lot of so many others at present.

    The Australian community has understood that we can’t base growth persistently on falling saving and rising debt and that is forcing changes to business models. But it has to be said that the return of a certain degree of thrift actually strengthens our medium-term position. If we can marry that to a focus on incrementally improving the way we do things – lifting productivity – there is actually a lot to look forward to. For Australians, the glass is well and truly half full.

    http://www.rba.gov.au/speeches/2012/sp-gov-080612.html

  59. Bacchus permalink
    June 8, 2012 3:27 pm

    This one’s just for Neil 😆

  60. JAWS permalink
    June 8, 2012 3:57 pm

    That’s interesting Bacchus. And it should interest Neil alot. In fact I think Neil should thankyou for it being the well mannered type he is.

    Why ?

    Well under Howard the Index at 105 in 2007 only reached the same figure again last year.

    Your bunch set us back 4 years

  61. Bacchus permalink
    June 8, 2012 4:06 pm

    fck me roughly with a pineapple 😆 I thought only political “media advisors” and the rear wheels of a Phase III GTHO could spin like that 🙄

  62. el gordo permalink
    June 8, 2012 4:11 pm

    I like the graph baccy.

  63. JAWS permalink
    June 8, 2012 4:13 pm

    That explains f**king everything

    You’re a Ford person…………………………Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark

  64. Bacchus permalink
    June 8, 2012 4:18 pm

    Actually no Jaws – I’ve never owned a Ford in my life… I did however have an HQ with a small V8 back in the days 😉

  65. Bacchus permalink
    June 8, 2012 4:20 pm

    It’s just when you think of rough, uncontrollable Australian grunt cars, the GTHO was the meanest of the mean in it’s day 😆

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2012 5:04 pm

    And how such a well versed accounting type could actually beliieve this and POST it astounds me …

    Well under Howard the Index at 105 in 2007 only reached the same figure again last year. Your bunch set us back 4 years

    Ostrich? Head in sand? Head up arse? Big rock? Coma … or LibNat Mouthpiece … its the sort of thing Joe Hockey would say, Andrew Robbwould then splutter over and Abbott would try to defend … economic managers my arse!

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28551

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8812260/World-facing-worst-financial-crisis-in-history-Bank-of-England-Governor-says.html

    I started to compile this list and then realised, Wally, was just having a joke! 😆

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